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Does an apartheid state like Israel have the right to exist and spread its racism?

 
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Re: Joan Rivers Has Nervous Breakdown Over Israel

Postby GabonX on Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:10 am

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warmonger1981 wrote:Any word about Christians being killed in the Middle East...... didn't think so.


The Palestinian Independent Center for Human Rights estimates 4% of the 1,000+ Gazans killed in the Israeli genocide have been Christian.


Would you characterize the American policy of drone strikes against suspected terrorists in the Middle East, which seem to have very high civilian casualty rates, as a genocide? If not, what are the substantive differences with the Israeli policy?


There's probably not a bright-line you cross at which some acts becomes genocidal; I would think it's a sliding scale. I would characterize American drone strikes against civilians as genocidal acts on the low end of that scale. I do not subscribe to the belief that these are accidental killings, but intentional attacks designed to cow local populations, or attacks done with such little regard for potential non-combatant casualties that they are symbolic of a racist dehumanization of local peoples.

No wonder you're so liberal in your use of the term.




Anyhow, here's a video of Kuwati Cleric and personal confidant of Khaled Mashal (leader of Hamas) speaking, outlining a conversation they had on a ceasefire and the sanctity of life...



Do Not Agree to Ceasefire until They Bow Before Us!

    He (Khaled Mashal, leader of Hamas) said: We will not accept a ceasefire. Gone are the days when we would accept a ceasefire. I find it strange that some people are demanding a ceasefire. Absolutely not. The shooting and launching of rockets continue. If you should be suffering as you are suffering, but you have hope from Allah while they have none. The firing of rockets continues. These rockets have paralyzed Israel completely. Israel is completely frozen. They all went trembling into their holes.

    The blood (we) sacrifice is undoubtedly precious, but the equation is our dead are in paradise while there's are in Hellfire. We are not afraid of martyrdom. Just a short while ago you were chanting: "Death for the sake of Allah is our loftiest desire. Well the death that you desire has just come to you. We have no problem with death. We are different from the Israelites. You shall find them to be the people most eager to protect their lives, while we desire death, desire martyrdom. The difference is very clear.

So these are the guys, people who sacrifice their young children as suicide bombers, Saxitoxin supports and claims have the same respect for life that regular decent people do.

From the Al Qassam brigades of Hamas to Israel:

We love death more than you love life
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Re: Joan Rivers Has Nervous Breakdown Over Israel

Postby Metsfanmax on Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:13 am

GabonX wrote:
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warmonger1981 wrote:Any word about Christians being killed in the Middle East...... didn't think so.


The Palestinian Independent Center for Human Rights estimates 4% of the 1,000+ Gazans killed in the Israeli genocide have been Christian.


Would you characterize the American policy of drone strikes against suspected terrorists in the Middle East, which seem to have very high civilian casualty rates, as a genocide? If not, what are the substantive differences with the Israeli policy?


There's probably not a bright-line you cross at which some acts becomes genocidal; I would think it's a sliding scale. I would characterize American drone strikes against civilians as genocidal acts on the low end of that scale. I do not subscribe to the belief that these are accidental killings, but intentional attacks designed to cow local populations, or attacks done with such little regard for potential non-combatant casualties that they are symbolic of a racist dehumanization of local peoples.

No wonder you're so liberal in your use of the term.


I did bring it up because I worry about colloquial usage demeaning the word, but I am not sure that it actually matters. I am mostly just interested in whether, when we use the term, we are referring to the mindset of those committing the action, or the actual outcome.
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Re: Joan Rivers Has Nervous Breakdown Over Israel

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:30 am

"May the best man win" is not to say peace isn't preferable.

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Re: Joan Rivers Has Nervous Breakdown Over Israel

Postby GabonX on Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:36 am

Anyhow, here's a video of Kuwati Cleric and personal confidant of Khaled Mashal (leader of Hamas) speaking, outlining a conversation they had on a ceasefire and the sanctity of life...



Do Not Agree to Ceasefire until They Bow Before Us!

    He (Khaled Mashal, leader of Hamas) said: We will not accept a ceasefire. Gone are the days when we would accept a ceasefire. I find it strange that some people are demanding a ceasefire. Absolutely not. The shooting and launching of rockets continue. If you should be suffering as you are suffering, but you have hope from Allah while they have none. The firing of rockets continues. These rockets have paralyzed Israel completely. Israel is completely frozen. They all went trembling into their holes.

    The blood (we) sacrifice is undoubtedly precious, but the equation is our dead are in paradise while there's are in Hellfire. We are not afraid of martyrdom. Just a short while ago you were chanting: "Death for the sake of Allah is our loftiest desire. Well the death that you desire has just come to you. We have no problem with death. We are different from the Israelites. You shall find them to be the people most eager to protect their lives, while we desire death, desire martyrdom. The difference is very clear.

So these are the guys, people who sacrifice their young children as suicide bombers, Saxitoxin supports and claims have the same respect for life that regular decent people do.

From the Al Qassam brigades of Hamas to Israel:

We love death more than you love life
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Re: Joan Rivers Has Nervous Breakdown Over Israel

Postby GabonX on Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:39 am

Phatscotty wrote:"May the best man win" is not to say peace isn't preferable.

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Agreed, but I'm not sure how practical that is without educating a new generation.
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Re: Joan Rivers Has Nervous Breakdown Over Israel

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:42 am

Phatscotty wrote:"May the best man win" is not to say peace isn't preferable.

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I question the "Muslim's" credentials and I assume he is probably actually an Israeli. "Get along" is usually code for "end the resistance." Also, it would be impossible to "get along" when the other guy is holding a sign claiming to be from "Israel," which doesn't actually exist (Israel is just the Zionist name for Palestine); like if a black guy were standing next to a white guy who was holding a sign that said "I love this fucking [N-Word]" - you would question the sincerity of the white guy's love. So peace isn't practical until the current generation of Israelis are educated to accept reality and the principals of co-existence.

If it is real, at least the Palestinian doesn't have a unibrow like the other guy.
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Re: Joan Rivers Has Nervous Breakdown Over Israel

Postby GabonX on Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:44 am

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I question the "Muslim's" credentials and I assume he is probably actually an Israeli. "Get along" is usually code for "end the resistance." Also, it would be impossible to "get along" when the other guy is holding a sign claiming to be from "Israel," which doesn't actually exist (Israel is just the Zionist name for Palestine). So peace isn't practical until the current generation of Israelis are educated to accept reality and the principals of co-existence.

If it is real, at least the Palestinian doesn't have a unibrow like the other guy.


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Re: Joan Rivers Has Nervous Breakdown Over Israel

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sun Jul 27, 2014 10:23 am

I gotta admit "joan Rivers has breakdown over Israel" is a pretty decent title...... {even if it really doesn't have much to do with the conflict in truth..lol }
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Re: Joan Rivers Has Nervous Breakdown Over Israel

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sun Jul 27, 2014 10:27 am

GabonX wrote:Anyhow, here's a video of Kuwati Cleric and personal confidant of Khaled Mashal (leader of Hamas) speaking, outlining a conversation they had on a ceasefire and the sanctity of life...



Do Not Agree to Ceasefire until They Bow Before Us!

    He (Khaled Mashal, leader of Hamas) said: We will not accept a ceasefire. Gone are the days when we would accept a ceasefire. I find it strange that some people are demanding a ceasefire. Absolutely not. The shooting and launching of rockets continue. If you should be suffering as you are suffering, but you have hope from Allah while they have none. The firing of rockets continues. These rockets have paralyzed Israel completely. Israel is completely frozen. They all went trembling into their holes.

    The blood (we) sacrifice is undoubtedly precious, but the equation is our dead are in paradise while there's are in Hellfire. We are not afraid of martyrdom. Just a short while ago you were chanting: "Death for the sake of Allah is our loftiest desire. Well the death that you desire has just come to you. We have no problem with death. We are different from the Israelites. You shall find them to be the people most eager to protect their lives, while we desire death, desire martyrdom. The difference is very clear.

So these are the guys, people who sacrifice their young children as suicide bombers, Saxitoxin supports and claims have the same respect for life that regular decent people do.

From the Al Qassam brigades of Hamas to Israel:

We love death more than you love life


NIce to see that violent Muslims are as adept at distorting the Koran as violent Christians and Jews are at distorting their texts....

Anyway, the real part, the question everyone should ask is why a whole society of people would accept such hateful views even when they have to know its basically a suicide position?
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GENOCIDE UPDATE - JULY 27

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:18 pm

GENOCIDE UPDATE - JULY 27

Selena Gomez Rallies Fans to Support Gaza
This is great! Selena's Instagram post against Israeli genocide has generated more than 646,000 likes! On Twitter, the hashtags #PrayForGaza and #FuckIsrael are blowing up in popularity.

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Israeli War Crimes Evidence Emerges
This video of an Israeli sniper killing an unarmed, young boy looking for his family has more than 2 million YouTube views in just a few days. Meanwhile, reports have emerged from Khuza’a about the Israelis using innocent Palestinian civilians as human shields. (The use of human shields is one of Israel's principal tactics.)



CNI - "All Islamaphobia in U.S. is Engineered by Israel"
The Council for the National Interest - the leading non-Arab anti-Israel lobby in the U.S. (led by three former congressmen, and two former U.S. ambassadors) - reports that all Islamaphobia in the U.S. has been secretly engineered by Israel.

The roots of Islamophobia in America can be traced to a small, well-funded and well-connected network of “misinformation experts” who use Islamophobia as a tool to promote the Israeli agenda here within the United States.

According to a research study conducted by the Center for American Progress entitled Fear, Inc., there are five key purveyors who manipulate Islamophobia to further the US’s support of Israel: Frank Gaffney of the Center for Security Policy, David Yerushalmi of the Society of Americans for National Existence, Daniel Pipes of the Middle East Forum, Robert Spencer of both Jihad Watch and Stop Islamization of America and Steven Emerson of the Investigative Project on Terrorism. American billionaire Sheldon Gary Adelson, terrorism “expert” Evan Kohlmann, journalist Jennifer Rubin, and Emergency Committee for Israel’s founding member, Rachel Abrams additionally contribute to this network.

http://www.councilforthenationalinteres ... amophobia/


St Porphyrios Church Refuge for Gazans Trying to Escape the Onslaught of God's Chosen People
St Porphyrios Orthodox Church has become a refuge for 600 Christian and Muslim Palestinians whose homes have been destroyed by the Israeli onslaught. Alexios XIV, the archbishop of Gaza, decided to convert the 1,600 year-old church to a refugee center after all other shelters had filled beyond capacity with people left dead and dying by Israel. In the church hang photos of the late PLO leader Yasser Arafat, whose wife Suha, was a Greek Orthodox Christian. When he was alive, Arafat would annually attend Christmas Mass at the Church of the Nativity in Palestinian-controlled Bethlehem, symbolic of centuries of friendly relations between Christians and Muslims in Palestine.

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/mi ... 63788.html
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-photo ... slims-gaza

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Bradford Council Flies Palestinian Tricolor
The latest local government to show solidarity with Palestine is the Bradford Council in the UK. The town of half-a-million is now proudly flying the Palestinian tri-color over the city hall after all political groups expressed unanimous support with the prevailing anti-Israel sentiment. Bradford Liberal Democrat MP David Ward tweeted: "The big question is - if I lived in #Gaza would I fire a rocket? - probably yes."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-28499908

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Re: Israelis Using Human Shields

Postby muy_thaiguy on Sun Jul 27, 2014 10:59 pm

Poll is still invalid.
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Re: GENOCIDE UPDATE - JULY 27

Postby saxitoxin on Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:42 pm

GENOCIDE UPDATE - JULY 28

Largest U.S. Protest Yet
This weekend more than 15,000 protested Israel in Chicago, carrying a block-long Palestinian flag, in the largest U.S. protest yet. Millions more protested Israel at other locations around the world, including five separate protests just in San Francisco.



Israel kills eight children at playground, laughs
The Zionists chose to kill eight children at one of the UNs vaunted refugee shelters today. Israel decided to bomb a playground where the children had congregated.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/28/world/mea ... homepage-t

Deputy Mayor of Haifa Beaten by Israeli Mob
The Deputy Mayor of Haifa, Israel (Dr. Suhail Assad) - who happens to be part Arab - was beaten to within an inch of his life by a roving mob of average Israelis. Police stood by and did nothing.

http://www.democracynow.org/2014/7/21/i ... ted_dozens

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Dr. Suhail Assad and his young son learned the hard way about living in the "Middle East's Only Democracy."

Israelis Express their Joy at Dead Palestinian Children

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Kristallnacht in Jerusalem

On Thursday night last week, police teamed up with a Jewish mob assaulting two Palestinian men while they were delivering bread to grocery markets on Jaffa Street in West Jerusalem from their van.

The men — identified by Ma’an News Agency as twenty-year-old Amir Mazin, Abu Eisha and Laith Ubeidat (age not specified) — were encircled and beaten with empty bottles by a mob of some twenty to thirty Israelis, according to their attorney, Khaldun Nijim.

Rather than assist the men as they were being attacked, Nijim told Ma’an, “The Israeli police stopped them in their van and pointed guns at them.”

Nijim added: “After they drove away a few meters, the police shot at them. They then stopped and were assaulted again.”

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ran ... lestinians


Netanyahu Erased from History

In a sign of what awaits Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu was erased from history as his Wikipedia entry was replaced by the Palestinian tri-color.

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Re: Israelis Using Human Shields

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Re: Israelis Bomb UN Playground

Postby a6mzero on Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:10 pm

Reading this thread is pretty much like reading the Hamas Evening Star.
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Re: Israelis Bomb UN Playground

Postby GabonX on Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:18 pm

Saxitoxin wrote:Israel kills eight children at playground, laughs
The Zionists chose to kill eight children at one of the UNs vaunted refugee shelters today. Israel decided to bomb a playground where the children had congregated.


Again, Saxitoxin is giving bogus information. Who or what hit the refuge camp is unclear according to his own article. The UN has yet to issue a statement attributing blame:

    As before, Israel and Hamas accused each other of sending the bombs that killed people in Gaza. A short time later, Israel sent a text message to the media blaming Gaza "terrorists" for the attacks...

    Later in the article
    Israel: We're not responsible for last week's school deaths
    The Israeli military said it was not responsible for anyone killed last week when an "errant Israeli mortar" hit the courtyard of a U.N. school that was shelter to many Gaza residents.
    U.N. and Palestinian officials said 16 people were killed and hundreds were wounded Thursday when the school in northern Gaza was struck.
    Israel Defense Forces spokesman Lt. Col. Peter Lerner said militants had fired anti-tank missiles from the immediate area of the school, and the IDF fired several mortar shells back in that direction.
    "A single errant Israeli mortar landed in the courtyard in the school," Lerner said. "The footage we have shows the courtyard was empty."
    "We reject the claim that people were killed by the IDF mortar on the school premises," he added. But Lerner said there could have been people who were wounded by shrapnel.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/28/world ... homepage-t

For the record, the strikes today occurred in areas that are outside of Israel's operating zone. The vast majority of operations so far have taken place within the outer two kilometers of Gaza which border Israel...

As for the school that was hit, the UN has confirmed that a Hamas rocket misfired and struck the area. They could not confirm whether or not an Israeli shell struck as well, but eventually the IDF released a statement indicating they did strike nearby but that there were no civilians in the area at the time, releasing the military surveillance footage of the strike. Take that for what you will.

If you haven't figured it out yet, Saxitoxin is linking to articles that often say the opposite of what he says they do. The last time I pointed this out he called me racist and started saying "AY-RABS" a bunch of times. The point is, if you want to get information you have to actually read the articles he's posting, because Saxitoxin has shown himself to be a shameless liar on this topic with virtually every one of his posts containing, false quotations, bogus numbers, and all other means of outrageous dishonesty.


I can't tell you what happened with everyone of these strikes, but I can tell you Saxitoxin will blame every one of them on an Israeli shell before the facts come in, despite the fact that many of Hamas' rockets misfire and hit Gazans.

It's estimated that 30% of the rockets Hamas fired at Israel misfire and end up striking Gaza instead and Palestinians are dying in these strikes. The recent bombing he's talking about is still contested, but there was anotrher interesting incident which happened today:
    At around 4:30 p.m. Israel time, Hamas thought to give Israel a nasty surprise by sending one of its heavy Iranian Fajr-5 missiles (range 75 km) smashing into Tel Aviv. Instead of taking to the air, the missile plummeted to the ground in the nearby Shifa Hospital compound and exploded. Ten people were killed in the blast.
http://debka.com/article/24137/High-IDF ... -offensive

If it turns out that 10-20% of the civilian casualties were actually killed by Hamas, and another 20-30% were active fighters do you think we'll hear a statement from Saxitoxin? I doubt it...


I do know that the reason there are so many civilian casualties is because Hamas is firing among civilians and refusing any kind of humanitarian ceasefire. There have been 5 unilateral ceasefires granted by Israel thus far, and though requesting them Hamas has continued firing through all of them.

Just today they sent terrorists through their tunnels to attack an Israeli civilian center, Kibbutz Nahal Oz. They've found that these tunnels go under Israeli towns, with one surfacing next to a kindergarten school. Interrogations of captured fighters has yielded information that Hamas was plotting on all out offensive for Rosh Hashanna this year.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014 ... ity-Forces
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=c ... 14&tbm=nws


Hamas has to go, and they will go... And if you want to keep up with what's going on don't listen to Saxitoxin, but click his links to see what they actually say.

He's not going to tell you.
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Re: Israelis Bomb UN Playground

Postby saxitoxin on Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:39 pm

GabonX wrote:
Saxitoxin wrote:Israel kills eight children at playground, laughs
The Zionists chose to kill eight children at one of the UNs vaunted refugee shelters today. Israel decided to bomb a playground where the children had congregated.


Again, Saxitoxin is giving bogus information. Who or what hit the refuge camp is unclear according to his own article. The UN has yet to issue a statement attributing blame:

    As before, Israel and Hamas accused each other of sending the bombs that killed people in Gaza. A short time later, Israel sent a text message to the media blaming Gaza "terrorists" for the attacks...

    Later in the article
    Israel: We're not responsible for last week's school deaths
    The Israeli military said it was not responsible for anyone killed last week when an "errant Israeli mortar" hit the courtyard of a U.N. school that was shelter to many Gaza residents.
    U.N. and Palestinian officials said 16 people were killed and hundreds were wounded Thursday when the school in northern Gaza was struck.
    Israel Defense Forces spokesman Lt. Col. Peter Lerner said militants had fired anti-tank missiles from the immediate area of the school, and the IDF fired several mortar shells back in that direction.
    "A single errant Israeli mortar landed in the courtyard in the school," Lerner said. "The footage we have shows the courtyard was empty."
    "We reject the claim that people were killed by the IDF mortar on the school premises," he added. But Lerner said there could have been people who were wounded by shrapnel.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/28/world ... homepage-t

For the record, the strikes today occurred in areas that are outside of Israel's operating zone. The vast majority of operations so far have taken place within the outer two kilometers of Gaza which border Israel...

As for the school that was hit, the UN has confirmed that a Hamas rocket misfired and struck the area. They could not confirm whether or not an Israeli shell struck as well, but eventually the IDF released a statement indicating they did strike nearby but that there were no civilians in the area at the time, releasing the military surveillance footage of the strike. Take that for what you will.

If you haven't figured it out yet, Saxitoxin is linking to articles that often say the opposite of what he says they do. The last time I pointed this out he called me racist and started saying "AY-RABS" a bunch of times. The point is, if you want to get information you have to actually read the articles he's posting, because Saxitoxin has shown himself to be a shameless liar on this topic with virtually every one of his posts containing, false quotations, bogus numbers, and all other means of outrageous dishonesty.


I can't tell you what happened with everyone of these strikes, but I can tell you Saxitoxin will blame every one of them on an Israeli shell before the facts come in, despite the fact that many of Hamas' rockets misfire and hit Gazans.

It's estimated that 30% of the rockets Hamas fired at Israel misfire and end up striking Gaza instead and Palestinians are dying in these strikes. The recent bombing he's talking about is still contested, but there was anotrher interesting incident which happened today:
    At around 4:30 p.m. Israel time, Hamas thought to give Israel a nasty surprise by sending one of its heavy Iranian Fajr-5 missiles (range 75 km) smashing into Tel Aviv. Instead of taking to the air, the missile plummeted to the ground in the nearby Shifa Hospital compound and exploded. Ten people were killed in the blast.
http://debka.com/article/24137/High-IDF ... -offensive

If it turns out that 10-20% of the civilian casualties were actually killed by Hamas, and another 20-30% were active fighters do you think we'll hear a statement from Saxitoxin? I doubt it...


I do know that the reason there are so many civilian casualties is because Hamas is firing among civilians and refusing any kind of humanitarian ceasefire. There have been 5 unilateral ceasefires granted by Israel thus far, and though requesting them Hamas has continued firing through all of them.

Just today they sent terrorists through their tunnels to attack an Israeli civilian center, Kibbutz Nahal Oz. They've found that these tunnels go under Israeli towns, with one surfacing next to a kindergarten school. Interrogations of captured fighters has yielded information that Hamas was plotting on all out offensive for Rosh Hashanna this year.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014 ... ity-Forces
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=c ... 14&tbm=nws


Hamas has to go, and they will go... And if you want to keep up with what's going on don't listen to Saxitoxin, but click his links to see what they actually say.

He's not going to tell you.


Gabby's wall-of-text is funny for two reason:

    (1) I posted 9 stories, Gabby apparently only felt he had enough vitriol in his gun to reply to one and just left the other 8 tales of atrocity to go.
    (2) He accuses me of giving "bogus information" -- responding confidently with a post from Breitbart and DebkaFile to tell us how it really went down! :lol: :lol: :lol:
He cites as proof that the Israelis didn't kill the kids at playground the fact that the IDF has denied it. This is the same IDF that denied shelling kids on a beach 6 days ago ... and then finally admitted it. This is the same IDF that denied lobbing a mortar shell onto a UN school 2 days ago ... and then finally admitted it. Gabby's standard of proof is: "until the IDF confirms something, it didn't happen." Gabby isn't 100% sure the sky is blue because the IDF hasn't issued a statement about it yet. He's funny. :D
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Re: Israelis Bomb UN Playground

Postby a6mzero on Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:49 pm

I Sax was to put his money where his mouth is and actually join Hamas , within 24 hours they would necklace him.
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Re: Israelis Bomb UN Playground

Postby GabonX on Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:53 pm

Saxitoxin's articles don't say what he says they do. He's trying to obscure information by posting links and attributing facts to articles that aren't in those articles.

I did not "cite as proof that the Israelis didn't kill the kids at playground the fact that the IDF has denied it". Rather I said the UN has not come to a conclusion, The IDF is still investigating (they have on several occasions thus far admitted wrongdoing, unlike Hamas), and most importantly that the articles Saxitoxin links to don't reflect the things he says. Nowhere in his articles is there any indication that Israel was responsible for the shell he's referring to. He's just making stuff up.

Read every story he posts, because I've yet to find one that says what he claims it does.
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Re: Israelis Bomb UN Playground

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:06 am

GabonX wrote:Saxitoxin's articles don't say what he says they do. He's trying to obscure information by posting links and attributing facts to articles that aren't in those articles.


GabonX wrote:He's just making stuff up.


GabonX wrote:Read every story he posts, because I've yet to find one that says what he claims it does.


Agreed. But if you don't have the time, read this and then read my summary. Gabby said every post of mine is fabricated and I am "making stuff up". So if this one is not simply conjured out of thin air, ask yourself - - why is GabonX resorting to lying to distract people from the IDF atrocities?

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Re: Israelis Bomb UN Playground

Postby GabonX on Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:11 am

Saxitoxin wrote:He cites as proof that the Israelis didn't kill the kids at playground the fact that the IDF has denied it. This is the same IDF that denied shelling kids on a beach 6 days ago ...and then finally admitted it.


They never denied it. They invetigated it and then admitted to it... Though at this point, I'm personally not convinced that it wasn't Hamas that killed them trying to inflate their casualties after a separate Israeli strike.

My opinion here is in no way a reflection of the IDF's position, but I would not put this past Hamas...

Saxitoxin wrote:This is the same IDF that denied lobbing a mortar shell onto a UN school 2 days ago ... and then finally admitted it.


And the UN confirmed that a Hamas rocket struck as well, but could not confirm whether or not and Israeli shell struck. The fact that Israel admitted a shell landed adds credibility to the IDF that Hamas does not have. You certainly have no credibility here...

Saxitoxin wrote:Gabby's standard of proof is: "until the IDF confirms something, it didn't happen." Gabby isn't 100% sure the sky is blue because the IDF hasn't issued a statement about it yet.


That's ridiculous. If you read my post it's clear that's not what I'm saying.

Again, don't let Saxitoxin filter information for you. He's extremely dishonest.
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Re: Israelis Bomb UN Playground

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:16 am

GabonX wrote:Again, don't let Saxitoxin filter information for you. He's extremely dishonest.


Bad Gabby! The desperation tactics are gunna getchya caught!

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Re: Israelis Bomb UN Playground

Postby GabonX on Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:17 am

saxitoxin wrote:
GabonX wrote:Saxitoxin's articles don't say what he says they do. He's trying to obscure information by posting links and attributing facts to articles that aren't in those articles.


GabonX wrote:He's just making stuff up.


GabonX wrote:Read every story he posts, because I've yet to find one that says what he claims it does.


Agreed. But if you don't have the time, read this and then read my summary. Gabby said every post of mine is fabricated and I am "making stuff up". So if this one is not simply conjured out of thin air, ask yourself - - why is GabonX resorting to lying to distract people from the IDF atrocities?

Post here to let us know once you've caught Gabby's hand in the hamantaschen jar! :D


So basically he's asking you to ignore all of the news articles that he miss-attributes information to, and instead focus on an opinion editorial that blames Islamophobia on the Jews which he whole heartedly agrees with... Yup, there's no problem with radical Islam in the world, it's all Jewish propaganda.

Thanks for clarifying your views Saxitoxin.
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Re: Israelis Bomb UN Playground

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:20 am

GabonX wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
GabonX wrote:Saxitoxin's articles don't say what he says they do. He's trying to obscure information by posting links and attributing facts to articles that aren't in those articles.


GabonX wrote:He's just making stuff up.


GabonX wrote:Read every story he posts, because I've yet to find one that says what he claims it does.


Agreed. But if you don't have the time, read this and then read my summary. Gabby said every post of mine is fabricated and I am "making stuff up". So if this one is not simply conjured out of thin air, ask yourself - - why is GabonX resorting to lying to distract people from the IDF atrocities?

Post here to let us know once you've caught Gabby's hand in the hamantaschen jar! :D


So basically he's asking you to ignore all of the news articles that he miss-attributes information to, and instead focus on an opinion editorial that blames Islamophobia on the Jews... Yup, there's no problem with radical Islam in the world, it's all Jewish propaganda.


HAND IN THE HAMANTASCHEN JAR! HAND IN THE HAMANTASCHEN JAR!

Okay gang. Next read this report, and then read my summary. Gabby said every post of mine is fabricated and I am "making stuff up". If this second one is not simply conjured out of thin air, ask yourself - - why is GabonX resorting to lying to distract people from the IDF atrocities?

Post here to let us know if you caught Gabby's other hand in the hamantaschen jar! :D

    (P.S. As he gets increasingly desperate, note how he starts priming his guns to fire off a salvo of "ANTI-SEMITISM!" rounds by subtly replacing "Israeli" from the article's original text with "Jewish." These are all textbook hasbara disinformation tactics. I now know for certain Gabby attended the "Advocacy for Israel" course that is put on by Friends of the IDF four times per year in the U.S.)
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Re: Israelis Bomb UN Playground

Postby GabonX on Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:52 am

saxitoxin wrote:Gabby said every post of mine is fabricated and I am "making stuff up".


Actually I said:
    Read every story he posts, because I've yet to find one that says what he claims it does.

So no, I didn't say what you said I did. Shocker...

You embellished the story about the deputy mayor of Haifa being "beaten to within an inch of his life by a roving mob of average Israelis." I can't find anything in the leftist radio transcript you posted from Democracy Now! about him sustaining life threatening injuries. What's more, the article describes the assailants as right wing extremists and not average Israelis.

What's more the content, which you are distorting to make even more extreme than it is, is not scholarly and comes from a media organization with a heavy anti Israel bias. If you're going to criticize me for using Debka as a source, which you have used in this thread yourself, it's totally hypocritical to cite media like "Democracy Now!"


I didn't mention this radio transcript because I didn't think it warranted a response. What I did think warranted a response is when you quoted an article as saying Israel bombed a park filled with children when it in fact stated no such thing, in the same post as your misleading Democracy Now! distortion.
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Re: Israelis Bomb UN Playground

Postby GabonX on Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:06 am

As an aside, Democracy Now! seems to allege that police are turning a blind eye to the violence. I'm reading that's not the case:

    The anti-war protest was organized by the Arab-Jewish Hadash party, which Assad represents on the city council. The demonstration drew about 300 people, apparently equally divided between Arabs and Jews. There appeared to be double that number of right-wing protesters, with the police trying to keep the two sides apart.


    A police spokesman lauded the Haifa police, whom he said were not aware of the beating of the deputy mayor. “The district police acted as human shields between the two sides, and three policemen were slightly injured in the clashes,” he added.

    “The district police arrested 14 suspects from both sides and intend to pursue the case to the full extent of the law. We will not allow demonstrations without permits, and we will treat lawbreakers with zero tolerance.”
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.606240

So in addition to reading the links Saxitoxin posts, it would be wise to cross reference them as well, as he's using fringe media which does not portray an accurate view of the events.
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