Israel Plans to Restore Death Penalty for Everyone but Jews

[shickingbrits]

Territorial/ideological

[shickingbrits]

What does the US actually gain from supporting Israel? Is it arms sales, or something else? I was under the impression that they give Israel a lot of its munitions at little or no cost (i.e. it's not a profitable enterprise) but I may be mistaken.

AIPAC is one of the largest lobbying groups in the US, providing funding to both parties. Also, the US media is controlled by Zionists. So the parties get money and media. Since its both parties getting it, you could say they dont get trashed in the media or lose out in donations.

The US itself gets nothing.

[a6mzero]

What does the US actually gain from supporting Israel? Is it arms sales, or something else? I was under the impression that they give Israel a lot of its munitions at little or no cost (i.e. it's not a profitable enterprise) but I may be mistaken.

AIPAC is one of the largest lobbying groups in the US, providing funding to both parties. Also, the US media is controlled by Zionists. So the parties get money and media. Since its both parties getting it, you could say they dont get trashed in the media or lose out in donations.

The US itself gets nothing.

[a6mzero]

What does the US actually gain from supporting Israel? Is it arms sales, or something else? I was under the impression that they give Israel a lot of its munitions at little or no cost (i.e. it's not a profitable enterprise) but I may be mistaken.

AIPAC is one of the largest lobbying groups in the US, providing funding to both parties. Also, the US media is controlled by Zionists. So the parties get money and media. Since its both parties getting it, you could say they dont get trashed in the media or lose out in donations.

The US itself gets nothing.

I hear u Adolph.

[nietzsche]

[GabonX]

Is Israel-Palestine a religious conflict, or is it a territorial conflict whose belligerents happen to be Jews and Muslims?

Territorial conflict. Zionists have been trying to drum up Islamaphobia to pretend it's an epic battle of civilizations, but it's just a zoning and land use dispute the US should stop funding.

Tell that to Hamas.

This map isn't even remotely accurate.

[universalchiro]

1948: Palestinians were offered by the League of Nations a statehood and Israel a statehood. Israel accepted, Palestine & Egypt rejected, war broke out from Muslim attacks, Israel won.

1967: Israel living in peace, attacked by Muslims, Israel defends itself and captures Jerusalem. Israel won.

Every time Muslims attack Israel, Israel gets more land and always wins. Muslims attack first and lose and complain, then stop attacking, put the rocks down, step away from throwing rocks and WW2 RPGs and Israel will stop pin point laser guided missle defense from drone plane with real time interaction and sophisticated state of the art Iron Dome Air defense and intelligence with night vision with infared and heat sensitive optics & soldiers equipped with top of the line armor piercing ammunition with Intel from satelites circling the globe.

Israel is a blessed nation and a blessed people, God has turned His face towards them and heard their cries and pleas. A warning to all who speak curses against Israel:
Genesis 12:3"I will bless them that bless you and curse them that curse you".

[nietzsche]

1948: Palestinians were offered by the League of Nations a statehood and Israel a statehood. Israel accepted, Palestine & Egypt rejected, war broke out from Muslim attacks, Israel won.

1967: Israel living in peace, attacked by Muslims, Israel defends itself and captures Jerusalem. Israel won.

Every time Muslims attack Israel, Israel gets more land and always wins. Muslims attack first and lose and complain, then stop attacking, put the rocks down, step away from throwing rocks and WW2 RPGs and Israel will stop pin point laser guided missle defense from drone plane with real time interaction and sophisticated state of the art Iron Dome Air defense and intelligence with night vision with infared and heat sensitive optics & soldiers equipped with top of the line armor piercing ammunition with Intel from satelites circling the globe.

Israel is a blessed nation and a blessed people, God has turned His face towards them and heard their cries and pleas. A warning to all who speak curses against Israel:
Genesis 12:3"I will bless them that bless you and curse them that curse you".

what was the status in 1945?

[saxitoxin]

1948: Palestinians were offered by the League of Nations a statehood and Israel a statehood. Israel accepted, Palestine & Egypt rejected, war broke out from Muslim attacks, Israel won.

1.The unjust UN Partition Plan barely passed in the nascent General Assembly. The partition plan offered 67% of the population (Arab) 43% of the land (and the worst, most barren part of the land).

2. War did not break out from "Muslim attacks." An under-equipped coalition of Arab states - including Christian nations like Lebanon and Muslim nations like Egypt- immediately launched a military intervention after The Abomination started ethnic cleansing Palestinians following the UN vote. They were, unfortunately, defeated by the Czechoslovakian and Soviet-backed Israeli militia (the Warsaw Pact were early supporters of Israel due to Israel's historic and contemporary status as a socialist state, but eventually switched sides after the rise of Ba'athism in the Arab world appeared to offer better opportunities for political inroads).

The Arab forces were commanded by John Glubb, a Companion of the Order of St. Michael and St. George and a confirmed member of the Anglican Church. The Israeli militia were commanded by Shimon Avidan, a member of the Communist Party rumored to have been a pedophile.

1967: Israel living in peace, attacked by Muslims, Israel defends itself and captures Jerusalem. Israel won.

On June 5, 1967, Israel launched surprise air raids against all of its neighbors. This was the first military action in the 1967 war. Egypt, Syria, and Jordan responded with a defensive counter-attack.

Every time Muslims attack Israel, Israel gets more land and always wins.

In the 1956 Suez War Israel attacked Egypt and had to retreat in humiliation and defeat (though engaged in mass rapes and the burning of civilian infrastructure on their way out).

A warning to all who speak curses against Israel: Genesis 12:3"I will bless them that bless you and curse them that curse you".

That was history, not a prediction. Modern Israel is not recreated biblical Israel. The three promises the God made to Abraham were fulfilled; Israel existed and went away. The entity going by the name "State of Israel" is as much "Israel' as my 22-foot Boston Whaler I've named "Noah's Arc" is literally Noah's Arc from the Bible. This premillennialist version of Christian theology didn't exist in any mainstream form until late 1970s when Israel began paying American evangelical theologians to promote it in their congregations (preachers like Richard Roberts, who had to step-down as president of Oral Roberts University after he was found to be siphoning university funds and whose wife was "entertaining" teenage boys in the president's mansion). Even now it is limited largely to American Vengies and is almost universally rejected by every other Christian sect.

Israel is a blessed nation and a blessed people, God has turned His face towards them and heard their cries and pleas.

I think "Cries and Pleas" is actually the name of an S&M Club in Tel Aviv.

But, anyway, it's good to know He has blessed the Israelis! Blessed Israel!

The organizers and participants of the world's largest Gay Pride parade (per capita) have been blessed!


The world's "most gay friendly army!" [Hauge Center] has been blessed


We've been blessed!


He's heard our cries and moans!

[saxitoxin]

Universalchiro - the IDF provides hook-up rooms in male barracks where male soldiers can go to have sex with each other - as a good Christian who supports Israeli policies I assume you are all good with the gay f*ck chambers? Do you also support Israel's organizing of orgies in tents for students on Birthright trips? Or do you just support Israel's policy on Blood and Gore, and not its policy on Jizz and Sweat? If so, why?

[Gillipig]

Who needs schools anyway?

[universalchiro]

1948: Palestinians were offered by the League of Nations a statehood and Israel a statehood. Israel accepted, Palestine & Egypt rejected, war broke out from Muslim attacks, Israel won.

1967: Israel living in peace, attacked by Muslims, Israel defends itself and captures Jerusalem. Israel won.

Every time Muslims attack Israel, Israel gets more land and always wins. Muslims attack first and lose and complain, then stop attacking, put the rocks down, step away from throwing rocks and WW2 RPGs and Israel will stop pin point laser guided missle defense from drone plane with real time interaction and sophisticated state of the art Iron Dome Air defense and intelligence with night vision with infared and heat sensitive optics & soldiers equipped with top of the line armor piercing ammunition with Intel from satelites circling the globe.

Israel is a blessed nation and a blessed people, God has turned His face towards them and heard their cries and pleas. A warning to all who speak curses against Israel:
Genesis 12:3"I will bless them that bless you and curse them that curse you".

what was the status in 1945?

Okay, let's add some information so my comment will have reference: The good sir Nietzsche, wrote on my wall a valid point:"would America give up half it's land to Native Indians if you UN voted thus?" The answer is no. The inference is that scenario resembles what the scenario in 1946 Israel. However, the is not a similar scenario. For Britain owned the Land and Lord Belfour a Jew in England wrote to President Wilson in 1917 if America enters the Great War to help the allies, England will give the land for a Zionist state. So the land was Britain not Palestinian.

@Saxi: cheap tactics. Israel is a democracy, which allows citizens certain freedoms, because 10+/- men use that freedom against the Word of God does not mean Israel adopts their freedom state wide on each citizen. Really this seems obvious and I'm disappointed you would stoop to try and force a connection to bolster your objection of Israel.

[Metsfanmax]

Okay, let's add some information so my comment will have reference: The good sir Nietzsche, wrote on my wall a valid point:"would America give up half it's land to Native Indians if you UN voted thus?" The answer is no. The inference is that scenario resembles what the scenario in 1946 Israel. However, the is not a similar scenario. For Britain owned the Land and Lord Belfour a Jew in England wrote to President Wilson in 1917 if America enters the Great War to help the allies, England will give the land for a Zionist state. So the land was Britain not Palestinian.

If I show up at your house with a rainbow flag and a shotgun, do I get to claim sovereignty over your property?

[Gillipig]

Okay, let's add some information so my comment will have reference: The good sir Nietzsche, wrote on my wall a valid point:"would America give up half it's land to Native Indians if you UN voted thus?" The answer is no. The inference is that scenario resembles what the scenario in 1946 Israel. However, the is not a similar scenario. For Britain owned the Land and Lord Belfour a Jew in England wrote to President Wilson in 1917 if America enters the Great War to help the allies, England will give the land for a Zionist state. So the land was Britain not Palestinian.

If I show up at your house with a rainbow flag and a shotgun, do I get to claim sovereignty over your property?

Depends on the size of your gun.

[BigBallinStalin]

Not posting a source to be disparaged by the editor in chief of the Hamas Daily who runs this thread. Its public news so there should be multiple sources.

Who cares about saxitoxin? C'mon. If you got a source, post it. I'll address you seriously until then.

If you're not going to provide a source, then any reasonable person can easily dismiss your claims as unfounded. Sucks, doesn't it?

No, he's right. Its all over the news. Currently the story is at the top of HuffingtonPost and its also the major headline on DrudgeReport. If you were trying to keep up with events you would have seen this by now...
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/ ... 2-05-10-33

I think its funny that you apply this level of scrutiny to easily verifiable facts when someone who's pro Israel posts them but ignore all of the outrageously untrue things the other side posts, while still portraying yourself as being level headed and impartial.

1. a7mzero never posts sources.
2. saxi does.
3. Therefore, it shouldn't be surprising that I'll vary my criticism between the two.

[BigBallinStalin]

Is Israel-Palestine a religious conflict, or is it a territorial conflict whose belligerents happen to be Jews and Muslims?

The goal involves territory. One component of the means is religious. E.g. in general, Israel wants more land (goal) and uses religion as a justification for land grabs (means).

[ooge]

1948: Palestinians were offered by the League of Nations a statehood and Israel a statehood. Israel accepted, Palestine & Egypt rejected, war broke out from Muslim attacks, Israel won.

1.The unjust UN Partition Plan barely passed in the nascent General Assembly. The partition plan offered 67% of the population (Arab) 43% of the land (and the worst, most barren part of the land).

2. War did not break out from "Muslim attacks." An under-equipped coalition of Arab states - including Christian nations like Lebanon and Muslim nations like Egypt- immediately launched a military intervention after The Abomination started ethnic cleansing Palestinians following the UN vote. They were, unfortunately, defeated by the Czechoslovakian and Soviet-backed Israeli militia (the Warsaw Pact were early supporters of Israel due to Israel's historic and contemporary status as a socialist state, but eventually switched sides after the rise of Ba'athism in the Arab world appeared to offer better opportunities for political inroads).

The Arab forces were commanded by John Glubb, a Companion of the Order of St. Michael and St. George and a confirmed member of the Anglican Church. The Israeli militia were commanded by Shimon Avidan, a member of the Communist Party rumored to have been a pedophile.

1967: Israel living in peace, attacked by Muslims, Israel defends itself and captures Jerusalem. Israel won.

On June 5, 1967, Israel launched surprise air raids against all of its neighbors. This was the first military action in the 1967 war. Egypt, Syria, and Jordan responded with a defensive counter-attack.

Every time Muslims attack Israel, Israel gets more land and always wins.

In the 1956 Suez War Israel attacked Egypt and had to retreat in humiliation and defeat (though engaged in mass rapes and the burning of civilian infrastructure on their way out).

A warning to all who speak curses against Israel: Genesis 12:3"I will bless them that bless you and curse them that curse you".

That was history, not a prediction. Modern Israel is not recreated biblical Israel. The three promises the God made to Abraham were fulfilled; Israel existed and went away. The entity going by the name "State of Israel" is as much "Israel' as my 22-foot Boston Whaler I've named "Noah's Arc" is literally Noah's Arc from the Bible. This premillennialist version of Christian theology didn't exist in any mainstream form until late 1970s when Israel began paying American evangelical theologians to promote it in their congregations (preachers like Richard Roberts, who had to step-down as president of Oral Roberts University after he was found to be siphoning university funds and whose wife was "entertaining" teenage boys in the president's mansion). Even now it is limited largely to American Vengies and is almost universally rejected by every other Christian sect.

Israel is a blessed nation and a blessed people, God has turned His face towards them and heard their cries and pleas.

I think "Cries and Pleas" is actually the name of an S&M Club in Tel Aviv.

But, anyway, it's good to know He has blessed the Israelis! Blessed Israel!

The organizers and participants of the world's largest Gay Pride parade (per capita) have been blessed!


The world's "most gay friendly army!" [Hauge Center] has been blessed


We've been blessed!


He's heard our cries and moans!

I think I was happier going through life unaware of this The gay state of Israel?

[BigBallinStalin]

What does the US actually gain from supporting Israel? Is it arms sales, or something else? I was under the impression that they give Israel a lot of its munitions at little or no cost (i.e. it's not a profitable enterprise) but I may be mistaken.

The US gives Israel roughly $1bn per year, so whoever produces those weapons makes that profit. Whichever bureaucracy which doles out that funding gets the expanded budget, prestige, career promotions, etc. (bureaucratic performance is usually measured by expenditures and hardly results; internal criticism is suppressed; and if you're a bureaucrat who has worked within a bureaucracy and have published a critical work, expect to get fired and ostracized).

So, that's one aspect of the profit and perverse feedback loop.

I'm not so sure about the benefits and costs for politicians and voters. Obviously, $1bn per year comes out of taxpayers' pockets (or future taxpayers' if the money is borrowed). I'm not sure how many voters really think Israel needs that subsidy--compared to other concerns (e.g. what about me and my family?).

[mrswdk]

Why would they reward that department for sending funds to Israel?

[shickingbrits]

I think he meant their job is to oversee foreign aid and the more they oversee, the larger their reward. It highlights the weakness in his point, which is that the foreign aid doesn't need to go to Israel specifically for that to be true. So why give Israel specifically foreign aid? AIPAC and the media.

Adolph out.

[Dukasaur]

Not posting a source to be disparaged by the editor in chief of the Hamas Daily who runs this thread. Its public news so there should be multiple sources.

Who cares about saxitoxin? C'mon. If you got a source, post it. I'll address you seriously until then.

If you're not going to provide a source, then any reasonable person can easily dismiss your claims as unfounded. Sucks, doesn't it?

No, he's right. Its all over the news. Currently the story is at the top of HuffingtonPost and its also the major headline on DrudgeReport. If you were trying to keep up with events you would have seen this by now...
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/ ... 2-05-10-33

I think its funny that you apply this level of scrutiny to easily verifiable facts when someone who's pro Israel posts them but ignore all of the outrageously untrue things the other side posts, while still portraying yourself as being level headed and impartial.

1. a7mzero never posts sources.
2. saxi does.
3. Therefore, it shouldn't be surprising that I'll vary my criticism between the two.

When one is making startling claims, one needs to provide sources.

When one is dealing with commonly-known facts, one should not have to. I will never offer you a citation for the fact that the sky is blue, or that water is wet. A6m shouldn't have to, either.

[BigBallinStalin]

Why would they reward that department for sending funds to Israel?

Because the Department of Defense is increasing national security by funding the efforts of its ally, Israel. The DoD is making the US a safer place. Blah blah blah, US Foreign Policy and its self-serving theory, blah blah blah.

[BigBallinStalin]

Not posting a source to be disparaged by the editor in chief of the Hamas Daily who runs this thread. Its public news so there should be multiple sources.

Who cares about saxitoxin? C'mon. If you got a source, post it. I'll address you seriously until then.

If you're not going to provide a source, then any reasonable person can easily dismiss your claims as unfounded. Sucks, doesn't it?

No, he's right. Its all over the news. Currently the story is at the top of HuffingtonPost and its also the major headline on DrudgeReport. If you were trying to keep up with events you would have seen this by now...
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/ ... 2-05-10-33

I think its funny that you apply this level of scrutiny to easily verifiable facts when someone who's pro Israel posts them but ignore all of the outrageously untrue things the other side posts, while still portraying yourself as being level headed and impartial.

1. a7mzero never posts sources.
2. saxi does.
3. Therefore, it shouldn't be surprising that I'll vary my criticism between the two.

When one is making startling claims, one needs to provide sources.

When one is dealing with commonly-known facts, one should not have to. I will never offer you a citation for the fact that the sky is blue, or that water is wet. A6m shouldn't have to, either.

I spend a negligible portion of my life following this event, so it's not like I'm constantly up to date. That's why I ask people to provide links; it helps me to easily ascertain the accuracy of their summaries. If they tend to present inaccurate summaries, then their interpretation becomes less credible. If they tend to make ridiculous claims while constantly posting ZERO sources (like a7mzero does throughout the fora), then duh I'll hardly take his alleged facts seriously, so I'll definitely ask for a source.

If I had a really strong confirmation bias, I'd be like you: jumping to a6's defense with very little thought.

[saxitoxin]

@Saxi: cheap tactics. Israel is a democracy, which allows citizens certain freedoms, because 10+/- men use that freedom against the Word of God does not mean Israel adopts their freedom state wide on each citizen. Really this seems obvious and I'm disappointed you would stoop to try and force a connection to bolster your objection of Israel.

1 - Again, this is not people involved in the latent exercise of freedoms, this is the government of Israel proactively paying for - and organizing - orgies. You support that because you are a good Christian who supports the actions of the government of Israel, correct? Or do you oppose the government of Israel on this issue?

2 - If you oppose the government of Israel on this issue, why can't you oppose the government of Israel on its genocide issue? Does your preacher like Blood more than Semen? (If he's thinking about those things, you may want to check the local CrimeStoppers for your preacher's picture.)

3 - You didn't address this so, to clarify again, you are aware your belief that the State of Israel is the same thing as biblical Israel puts you in a fringe minority within worldwide Christianity and the insertion of this view into evangelical dogma was crafted in a conference room in an office building at a government bureau in Tel Aviv in the 1970s (AKA Disco-era Theology) as part of a PR exercise? (If not, I recommend you order a copy of Dr. Weber's "On the Road to Armageddon."). Have you read II Corinthians - Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness"?

4 - Are you familiar with Revelations 3:9 "the synagogue of Satan—those who claim to be Jews and aren't" ... you realize the "State of Israel" [not the "Kingdom of Israel"] is the "synagogue of Satan?" The duped cheerleaders of Satan - those who chose not to protest when they saw injustice (1 John 3:10) because they had been told by the ministers of righteousness their silence would earn them eternal reward, who let their eyes see only names and logos instead of following their heart which saw evil (Mark 9:47) [which describes you - "I'm sad children are hurt and dying from this, however ..."] will be shocked when they are treated to the horrors of eternal damnation. Hope you like warm weather!

5 - You didn't address this so, to clarify again, you supported the forces of Israel [the synagogue of Satan] that were - in 1948 - commanded by a pedophile Communist backed by the USSR instead of supporting the army of the descendents of Ishmael [the Arab Legion] commanded by a man who was - literally - a Christian knight (KCMG)?

[universalchiro]

@Saxi: Q&A
1. If Israel Government is paying for sin, I do not support their actions. Yet I would be pro Israel and then against current government. Just like I am pro America but against current regime, yet I still submit to the authority of my government though not for sinful policies. Just like I am pro Persian and pro all offspring of Ishmael, but against their hatred of Jews.
2, I am pro Israel and Palestine to defend themselves. Will you provide information that Israel's policy is Palestinian genocide? I'm not seeing that link.
3. Majority opinion doesn't move me, I'm accustomed to being a minority on multiple fronts, what moves me is science, physics, laws, truth. If I stand alone, so be it.
Regarding Rev 3:9 the Bible clearly States there is no middle ground, no neutral party, one is either a child of God or a child of Satan. I interpret the initial chapters of Rev as near term prophecy to authenticate the long term prophecy from chapters 4 on which are predominately future. That was a common policy of a prophet, to authenticate a distant prophecy 2,000 years in the future, prophecy something in the near term, so Rev chptrs 1-3 are mostly the near term for John's present day. For the seven churches in those days. Curious to note the throne of Satan was in Pergamum (Turkey) until German Kaiser moved it to Berlin just prior (1908) to WWI & WWII. So I view Israel today as set apart by God and not as you say false Jews. Are you 1 of the 144,000 Rev 7:4?
4. I support Israel, not sinful government nor sinful leaders even if they be Israeli.