StorrZerg wrote:tambn and i might as well be confirmed masons this game. its cool
While you may think so... the rest of us need a bit more convincing. You could be scum buddies just as easily for all we know. And I think it's very fishy how mtam kept pressing his case, after multiple people (and even the mod) told him that wing didn't have any secret info, it was public... the others made far better cases on the same post than mtam did. So for pushing a worthless case after being shown it was worthless, I will change my joke vote into a real vote on mtam.
Unfortunately, I was informed that my vote is now controlled by someone else... so it will probably be moving around without me controlling it now.
HotShot53 wrote:Unfortunately, I was informed that my vote is now controlled by someone else... so it will probably be moving around without me controlling it now.
HotShot53 wrote:Unfortunately, I was informed that my vote is now controlled by someone else... so it will probably be moving around without me controlling it now.
HotShot53 wrote:Unfortunately, I was informed that my vote is now controlled by someone else... so it will probably be moving around without me controlling it now.
Random.org sugested i had to jokevote nr 3; WingCmdr, must say that i excluded myself from the generater. maybe someone else can vote me for that. but we will see that in the ent.
Very awkward post. Considering he is mixing "joke vote" + "rng vote" doing them separately to create discussion is one thing, Doing it to avoid discussion is another (which is what he is doing). He is really bad at trying to drum up discussion and play town as mafia. Secondly the awkward call out that someone can vote him. All ready trying to create distance from this suggestion he made and down playing it.
virus90 wrote:what i note most of all of this is that IB is joining, i dont expect that from IB in general. rest is pretty much chatter to me so far. bit of ifs and stuff in my opinion.
his second post is also strange. No detail as to what exactly he is talking about. No quoted text etc. Is he referring to IB joining the game? Joining discussion? Additionally he also again town plays whats going on. He isnt' trying to look for scum with this attitude.
Once again I think it is a question of English not being his first language. His point on me I think was about me joking...not "joining"...I could be wrong though joking is the only way it makes sense. *grin* as usual he is also wrong. He seems a little more off so far this game.
i can see that the post isnt clear. what i tried to say was.
i dont get the "case" mtam made against wing. I dont agree with the reasons mentioned as why wing should be suspicious and IB "joined" that case i felt. cause of these posts:
so i dont know how serious IB is/was. but what i noted most about the case was that ib was "joining" this case that i would describe as pretty weak case, something i wouldnt expect from IB. but at this point im pretty much lost if IB was serious or not since he thought i meant joking not joining. maybe i didnt get the sarcastic tone in ibs messages or something. so if IB is serious that strikes me as odd, since i dont get the case on wing, think its weak, and ib was pressuring wing for it, if he was serious. and if IB was joking then i missed the joke part.
ok i shouldnt give storr the pleasure of biting(reacting), dont know why im defending a jokevote. as for storr overanalysing my opening post. thats just so far fetched. what do you expect from the first post of the day. litteraly first after the opening scene. should i try to scumhunt as to who confirmed different? i joked about people voting me cause i randomly jokevoted wing, and people in games have suggested randomly voting before and it usually gets you some votes for suggesting random voting, since having an opinion on that is not accepted in general.
and mtam and storr, its all fun and stuff that you town read each other out of thin air, but to be honest i think the rest of us is a bit tired of this. we are to assume that the 2 of you are town for no apparent reason except for the 2 of you saying the other is town. if we ask for why we dont get much of an answer, and we are then believed to follow the lead of you 2, by which time storr is "randomly?" gonna push peoples buttons into reacting. and mtam comes around every now and then with a one liner, seldom mtam comes with much of a explained case. if mtam gets questioned he doesn't really answer questions/ignores them and just does what he want. it is that mtam claimed potter, and at this point we need scum for sure not possible 3th party, else i think one of the 2 of you probably would have been dead already in the other game. in that other game where mtam refused to answer questions as well that finished last month or something, he also got killed by town for refusing to cooperate, while he was town.
so could you please explain why we should town read either 1 of you? that would make it easier for us to trust this at all.
StorrZerg wrote:tambn and i might as well be confirmed masons this game. its cool
As this is clearly going to annoy people I shall do my best to explain whats going on.
Mtam and Storr have eyed each other up and gone into partnership, both on the belief that they can outwit their mate and will spot him immediately if they try to do anything scummy. Whilst annoying as it means they are playing a side game between themselves its not that harmful to us except in one circumstance.
If both are town then everything is fine, and they will work very closely together to catch scum. Fantastic news.
If one is town, then they will lead the conversation along a path of catching scum, and the mafia player will be controlled and unable to influence discussion. This scenario isnt wonderful for us, but we just have to trust that the town player has the measure of the other and will either prevent him from influencing things or catch him in the act. Its much harder to pretend to be town with someone you know well especially when they asked you to be extremely pro town and openly discuss all with them. I personally believe that if only one of them is town, they will oust the other. If one dies in suspicious circumstances then we need to look at the other, until then leave it a few days.
If both are mafia then were screwed. This is the one we need to keep our eyes open for.
HotShot53 wrote:Unfortunately, I was informed that my vote is now controlled by someone else... so it will probably be moving around without me controlling it now.
Can you prove that by attempting to vote, please?
unvote, vote mets
Why?
Explain yourself people! God.
Because his vote has been stolen to it matters little who he votes for. Mets asked him to test the vote so he voted Mets. Nothing in it.
because active trying to drive conversation I'm not about to lynch someone that's progressing the game, because even if he is mafia he is creating content with other players to read. So with that though, his actions are "pro town" even though they could be done as any alignment.
Its like someone who lurks doesn't = mafia. But lurking is not pro town.
StorrZerg wrote:hotshots vote is controlled by mafia.
well i've seen it go both ways, how ever a town vote thief should claim. Reason being, we find out about why hotshots vote was stolen (a town does it because they don't like hotshot) If no one claims it then we can assume mafia did it, thus we can then town read hotshot, since mafia have no reason to use it against themselves. Also if a town does have this power and used it, then they can help lead town from a semi confirmed place. Additionally the power isn't that strong as to mafia wanting to kill them either, since it isn't a cop or medic role.
StorrZerg wrote:hotshots vote is controlled by mafia.
well i've seen it go both ways, how ever a town vote thief should claim. Reason being, we find out about why hotshots vote was stolen (a town does it because they don't like hotshot) If no one claims it then we can assume mafia did it, thus we can then town read hotshot, since mafia have no reason to use it against themselves. Also if a town does have this power and used it, then they can help lead town from a semi confirmed place. Additionally the power isn't that strong as to mafia wanting to kill them either, since it isn't a cop or medic role.
StorrZerg wrote:hotshots vote is controlled by mafia.
Are you taking into account that it may be a random effect?
Hotshot says he has been informed his vote has been stolen. With that statement does that now clear Hotshot as Town?
The game is very early. From my experience a vote stealer just steals the vote and one notices during a vote count. Granted this is a different mod but I have never seen a person notified that they no longer have control of their vote. Someone correct me if they have experience otherwise.
The point I am making is that at this stage of the game nothing should be assumed.
thats fine. you can say its nothing, i stand other wise. can only progress this game by taking a stance. Unless someone wants to clarify other wise, His vote was stolen.
StorrZerg wrote:thats fine. you can say its nothing, i stand other wise. can only progress this game by taking a stance. Unless someone wants to clarify other wise, His vote was stolen.
Did you hear me say it's nothing?
With his vote stolen do you believe Hotshot to be Town?
StorrZerg wrote:if no one claims to have taken it, then yes hotshot is town
Nope, perfect opportunity to use the power on your mafia buddy. Want are the actual chances that we lynch mafia today? So why not use it on mafia if you're mafia?
StorrZerg wrote:hotshots vote is controlled by mafia.
Are you taking into account that it may be a random effect?
Highly unlikely. The mod said he got all day actions with exception of two. I'd bet money it wasn't random but the result of a day action. Though your other argument is correct. It is too early to know if mafia or town did it as no one knows anyone's alignment yet.
