[OFFICIAL] Stack the Deck mafia (4/12)Endgame: MAFIA WIN

[the white rose]

if anyone is in any doubt whatsoever, then i suggest you let us both live and decide on results tomorrow, clearly there are not 2 trackers so yeah one of us is lying, only i know that i am not lying.

you can judge tomorrow, when i post results of who i tracked, and check out pt's bogus info....like as been said, its gonna be really difficult for him to keep up the pretence and does it really matter if you lynch him (or me) today or tomorrow......its clearly one of the other and the best evidence you can get is gonna be tomorrow.....you can guess today or be certain tomorrow.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

No.

If we dont lynch one of you today then we will likely mislynch. It is preferable to lynch a 50/50 tracker/mafia player today, and guarentee that in the first two days we at worst trade a tracker for mafia. Remember this is a team game, so if you are town then somehow you've trapped a mafia player D1, thats good work.

Who would we lynch instead?

[the white rose]

not right sure tbh. can't quite understand why scum would want to claim my role....sure it may get me lynched today, but then when i flip tracker pt has nowhere to run...do they fear tracker that much?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

not right sure tbh. can't quite understand why scum would want to claim my role....sure it may get me lynched today, but then when i flip tracker pt has nowhere to run...do they fear tracker that much?

Not really. Thats why I'm voting you, if mafia, PT had no reason to counterclaim.

[Iron Butterfly]

if anyone is in any doubt whatsoever, then i suggest you let us both live and decide on results tomorrow, clearly there are not 2 trackers so yeah one of us is lying, only i know that i am not lying.

you can judge tomorrow, when i post results of who i tracked, and check out pt's bogus info....like as been said, its gonna be really difficult for him to keep up the pretence and does it really matter if you lynch him (or me) today or tomorrow......its clearly one of the other and the best evidence you can get is gonna be tomorrow.....you can guess today or be certain tomorrow.

If you are Town it would be stupid of mafia to counter claim knowing they would be lynched when you flip Town. The fact that you say you did not receive a VT role and just the tracker role tells me that you did not read the format and just claimed. Ptlowe has played enough to know this. Like Wing said if you are Town think of it as YOU trapped scum. I have NEVER played a game of mafia with two of the same character except a few rare flavor games.

[the white rose]

wing, you are a good player, and i see your logic, it appears sound.

guess right today and you lynch a scum, guess wrong and you lynch a scum tomorrow....have to confess its good odds.

and of course you are right.

IB, I agree with you too.

think if I were anybody else i would be looking to lynch me too.

Just make sure that my death today is useful to town and do not get wavered into not killing pt tomorrow.

He may say he got his PMs mixed up, got his games mixed up, like he did when telling bos that he is the traitor.

like wing said, its a team game, so go town.

[rizky_biznezz]

Unvote vote rose If u are telling the truth rose well then we still learn something but ur explanation about receiving your role seems suss ppl received their alignments first then roles

[anamainiacks]

On a further note, to clarify, I have the powers of a tracker and the role of a VT, not sure how the hell that plays in but Im not buying TWRs claim since I know I am that. Was a little shocked to get VT then aquire powers wierd. Anyways, gives you guys maybe some more insight.

This is complete bullshit. I was not given the role of VT then acquired the role of tracker. I was simply given the role tracker with town allegiance.

those with other town powers would be able to verify.....endgame only sends one pm, with role and allegiance, so pt how the hell can you say you were first given VT and then acquired the power of tracker, sorry mate, but thats not how the game works.

100% scum for me now.

Wow, it sounds like you didn't read the first post properly... what PT described is exactly how it Streaker said it'd be done. Seems like you're the one lying instead.

Unvote. I count 6 votes on TWR, and I'm ready to hammer. But do we have anything else we want to discuss before that? We have 2 more days to go before the deadline, and it sounds like Streaker isn't free enough to come in anyway.

[anamainiacks]

(Unofficial) Vote count

-Endgame422 (0):
-TimWoodbury (0): marashu, Rizky
-WingCmdr Ginkapo (0):
-bosaardbeitje (0): ptlowe
-madmitch (0):
-Streaker (0): the white rose
-the white rose (6): dakky21, Mitch, IB, ptlowe, Marashu, Endgame422, WingCG, Rizky
-Marashu (0): Wing, White Rose
-Iron Butterfly (0): bosaardbeitje
-Dakky (2): Madmitch, bosaardbeitje, AnaManiac, Tim
-Rizky (0) - Anamainiaks
-PTlowe (1) - White Rose,

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline November 12th 05.00 CC Time.

[ptlowe]

I 100% confirm i have the powers of tracker and im counter claiming.spent about an hour working on probability....guess i wasted ny time according to ib.

[Iron Butterfly]

I 100% confirm i have the powers of tracker and im counter claiming.spent about an hour working on probability....guess i wasted ny time according to ib.

This is a good time to discuss game balance. Roles are handed out randomly but the roles them selves are not repeated, which would completely Bork game balance. This is why you will not find games with 2 cops or 2 docs.
Of course people/mods do play around with different formats.

No I think TWR made a simple mistake by assuming the game format and paid the price by not reading it.

[Streaker]

important mod note

Mod made an error when randomizing power roles. Town has been given 2 + x power roles (x being mafia power roles), however no guarantee for cop and bodyguard.
The entire list was ra ndomized and duplicate results are possible, however not confirmed by this post.

[ptlowe]

important mod note

Mod made an error when randomizing power roles. Town has been given 2 + x power roles (x being mafia power roles), however no guarantee for cop and bodyguard.
The entire list was ra ndomized and duplicate results are possible, however not confirmed by this post.

This makes things really tough for town...assuming mafia has 3 roles we have 5. Will have to review probability 2 out of 5 because i assumed bodyguard and cop were guaranteed. My calc wss based on tgis assumption probability is much higher for same role twice in 5 or if they have 2 pr then 2/4....

I dont like that twr was claiming his role came from endgame though or that he didnt start out vt

[bosaardbeitje]

Is it okay if I am utterly confused now? I need some time to digest al the information of the last hours. Just when I think I understand what is going on, the whole thing moves in another direction. And now we have a mod note adding to the madness. So, Town has a minimum of 2 roles, we don't know which ones at all (except no Innocent Childs) and it is possible people were given the same role? In that case both TWR and Ptlowe could be telling te truth? Do I understand this correctly?

[Iron Butterfly]

important mod note

Mod made an error when randomizing power roles. Town has been given 2 + x power roles (x being mafia power roles), however no guarantee for cop and bodyguard.
The entire list was ra ndomized and duplicate results are possible, however not confirmed by this post.

That throws the whole format out of wack then from what was posted.

[the white rose]

I never said i was given my role by endgame, at least not for this game. only from streaker.....

now i am confused.

seems we may have 2 trackers and possibly no cop or bodyguard.

agreed ib, not sure what we should do now

[ptlowe]

On a further note, to clarify, I have the powers of a tracker and the role of a VT, not sure how the hell that plays in but Im not buying TWRs claim since I know I am that. Was a little shocked to get VT then aquire powers wierd. Anyways, gives you guys maybe some more insight.

This is complete bullshit. I was not given the role of VT then acquired the role of tracker. I was simply given the role tracker with town allegiance.

those with other town powers would be able to verify.....endgame only sends one pm, with role and allegiance, so pt how the hell can you say you were first given VT and then acquired the power of tracker, sorry mate, but thats not how the game works.

100% scum for me now.

Steaker said he would send two out. I got two. Thats why im thinking your still scum...your wrong on this.

[ptlowe]

This will be the Official Game for November.



-At the beginning of the game all town aligned players receive a "Vanilla Town" role. Once mafia has selected their abilities all town roles go out. This prevents claims of "received roles before/after mafia modifications".
-No player may receive more than one role/modification
-The mafia traitor becomes a goon when recruited. This means mafia is allowed to give him a power. However, the mafia traitor is a 1-shot bulletproof if not recruited. In this case, if he is the last remaining mafia, he will take over the factional kill.

In short, the 72 hours prior to game start are a bit out of the ordinary, the rest of the game will have a very normal flow.

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Player list

-bosaardbeitje
-Endgame422
-dakky21
-the white rose
-MADmitch
-Marashu
-Anamainiacks
-TimWoodbury
-WingCmdr Ginkapo
-ptlowe
-rizky_biznezz
-Iron Butterfly

Reserves:
-Epitaph1
-HotShot53
-Metsfanmax

[ptlowe]

wing, you are a good player, and i see your logic, it appears sound.

guess right today and you lynch a scum, guess wrong and you lynch a scum tomorrow....have to confess its good odds.

and of course you are right.

IB, I agree with you too.

think if I were anybody else i would be looking to lynch me too.

Just make sure that my death today is useful to town and do not get wavered into not killing pt tomorrow.

He may say he got his PMs mixed up, got his games mixed up, like he did when telling bos that he is the traitor.

like wing said, its a team game, so go town.

When did i tell bos i was a traitor...dude your streaching. Im very very certain your scum. Ive never confused my pms of my role. I got vt then i got tracker powers...

[Iron Butterfly]

On a further note, to clarify, I have the powers of a tracker and the role of a VT, not sure how the hell that plays in but Im not buying TWRs claim since I know I am that. Was a little shocked to get VT then aquire powers wierd. Anyways, gives you guys maybe some more insight.

This is complete bullshit. I was not given the role of VT then acquired the role of tracker. I was simply given the role tracker with town allegiance.

those with other town powers would be able to verify.....endgame only sends one pm, with role and allegiance, so pt how the hell can you say you were first given VT and then acquired the power of tracker, sorry mate, but thats not how the game works.

100% scum for me now.

Steaker said he would send two out. I got two. Thats why im thinking your still scum...your wrong on this.

I have to agree.

[Iron Butterfly]

Ya know what...we need to find out. To much uncertainty and it's crazy to play the mod.

TWC seems to have been caught in several lies, which casts more doubt. Lynch all liars.

Vote TWR

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

What lies has he been caught in? I don't like his answers, but he hasn't changed them.

Dont really see this day ending with anything but a white rose lynch to be fair, just think you can use lynch all liars as justification.

[ptlowe]

He claimed he never said he got the pm from endgame but i see one there which i reposted you also commented on. He claimed i claimed mafia traitor that never happened. Two lies.

[Endgame422]

important mod note

Mod made an error when randomizing power roles. Town has been given 2 + x power roles (x being mafia power roles), however no guarantee for cop and bodyguard.
The entire list was ra ndomized and duplicate results are possible, however not confirmed by this post.

Ugh.
That changes the balance in favor of mafia a lot.

[TimWoodbury]

On a further note, to clarify, I have the powers of a tracker and the role of a VT, not sure how the hell that plays in but Im not buying TWRs claim since I know I am that. Was a little shocked to get VT then aquire powers wierd. Anyways, gives you guys maybe some more insight.

This is complete bullshit. I was not given the role of VT then acquired the role of tracker. I was simply given the role tracker with town allegiance.

those with other town powers would be able to verify.....endgame only sends one pm, with role and allegiance, so pt how the hell can you say you were first given VT and then acquired the power of tracker, sorry mate, but thats not how the game works.

100% scum for me now.

and heres the 3rd to mix up games now welcome to the mitch me and now u party