Paris

[Army of GOD]

Is there anything more hollow than putting a French flag filter on your Facebook profile?

[waauw]

well its a bloody good job the americans did not think the same way in 1940

Think you'll find they did

America didn't enter WW2 until 1941

Full-scale subsidies for the Chinese Army began in January 1940.
Arms shipments to Britain under Lend-Lease began in September 1940.

Oh, okay.

Either way America got involved in the European and Asian wars because it had a vested interest in getting involved. Show me the UK's vested interest in Syria and maybe our northern friend has a point.

Stop the refugee influx and stop the world's largest terrorist organization.

[mrswdk]

well its a bloody good job the americans did not think the same way in 1940

Think you'll find they did

America didn't enter WW2 until 1941

Full-scale subsidies for the Chinese Army began in January 1940.
Arms shipments to Britain under Lend-Lease began in September 1940.

Oh, okay.

Either way America got involved in the European and Asian wars because it had a vested interest in getting involved. Show me the UK's vested interest in Syria and maybe our northern friend has a point.

Stop the refugee influx and stop the world's largest terrorist organization.

The terror attacks are a response to French intervention in the region. If everyone left IS alone then it would cease to conduct those sorts of attacks, and would stop being a 'terrorist organization' and start to be a mere 'organization' instead.

[mrswdk]

Is there anything more hollow than putting a French flag filter on your Facebook profile?

Pulling a Christmas cracker all by yourself.

[AndyDufresne]

The terror attacks are a response to French intervention in the region. If everyone left IS alone then it would cease to conduct those sorts of attacks, and would stop being a 'terrorist organization' and start to be a mere 'organization' instead.

I don't think so. I legitimately think the Islamic State enjoys the limelight. It's been about more than just territory for a long time.


--Andy

[saxitoxin]

We will not kill civilians

Tell that to the doctors and patients at the Medcens sans Frontiers hospital who were bombed and then strafed as they were attempting to escape and whose calls for an independent inquiry continue to be stalled and rebuffed. Tell that to the 15 year-old son of Anwar al-Awlaki who was burned to death by a U.S. Hellfire missile. Tell that to the middle-aged women working in the Chinese embassy in Belgrade. Tell that to the 601,000 dead Iraqi civilians.

What a Camelot fantasy.

Uk as a nation has not attacked Syria, however, they have on numerous occasions killed our citizens, that gives us the interest.

The legal government of Syria has never killed a European citizen and yet Europe sends guns to the people trying to overthrow it. Same with the former government of Iraq. And Libya.

Despite Hollande's bluster, I'm confident he'll do the right thing. Here's a poem he can use to remember what the correct course of action is after a terrorist attack:

Declare defeat,
Surrender, retreat,
The Canada plan,
When they packed-up and ran.

Russia, Iran, Hezbollah, and the Syrian Arab Army have done more to take territory from ISIS in the last few weeks than the west has been able to do in the last year. The professionals are here. Europeans, go home. Russia will take-out your enemies, and when you start to get coldsy-woldsy this winter, they'll send you gas to warm your little feetsy-weetsy. Daddy's here now. He'll take care of you.

[waauw]

Russia, Iran, Hezbollah, and the Syrian Arab Army have done more to take territory from ISIS in the last few weeks than the west has been able to do in the last year. The professionals are here. Europeans, go back to painting your nails; you're just getting in the way. Thanks.

Lol Putin and Assad themselves extended the hand asking the west to join them in an effort.

[saxitoxin]

Russia, Iran, Hezbollah, and the Syrian Arab Army have done more to take territory from ISIS in the last few weeks than the west has been able to do in the last year. The professionals are here. Europeans, go back to painting your nails; you're just getting in the way. Thanks.

Lol Putin and Assad themselves extended the hand asking the west to join them in an effort.

And the West pouted and said they didn't want to share the crayons.

[saxitoxin]

Ali Larijani, Speaker of the parliament of Iran, has sent condolences to his French counterpart and invited France to finally become a partner in the coalition that has been fighting ISIS instead of cowboying it -

In a message to French National Assembly president Claude Bartolone, Larijani deplored the terrorist attacks as crimes against humanity."The Islamic Republic of Iran has always voiced outrage and condemned terrorist attacks in any form and in any region, underlining the need for countries and nations to take collective measures to confront terrorist movements." He extended condolences to the nation, parliament and government of France and expressed hope that the global community would fight terrorism to bring about stability and tranquility and security for all nations.

http://www.irna.ir/en/News/81838495/

[waauw]

Russia, Iran, Hezbollah, and the Syrian Arab Army have done more to take territory from ISIS in the last few weeks than the west has been able to do in the last year. The professionals are here. Europeans, go back to painting your nails; you're just getting in the way. Thanks.

Lol Putin and Assad themselves extended the hand asking the west to join them in an effort.

And the West pouted and said they didn't want to share the crayons.

And you suggested europeans should not get involved in Syria at all, meaning not even bombing ISIS. Personally I'm with Putin on this one, better to cooperate and come to terms with Assad, but hey I guess you know better than both Moscow and Washington. Perhaps we should hang posters everywhere acclaiming Saxitoxin as the new Messiah leading the world to everlasting saxitoxinous.

[saxitoxin]

Russia, Iran, Hezbollah, and the Syrian Arab Army have done more to take territory from ISIS in the last few weeks than the west has been able to do in the last year. The professionals are here. Europeans, go back to painting your nails; you're just getting in the way. Thanks.

Lol Putin and Assad themselves extended the hand asking the west to join them in an effort.

And the West pouted and said they didn't want to share the crayons.

And you suggested europeans should not get involved in Syria at all, meaning not even bombing ISIS.

If Europe did the right thing, yes, they should get involved in Syria - after all, it's a mess they made so they should pay to clean it up.

But they've shown they can't keep their big mouths shut and keep blurting out "Assad Must Go!" Until Europe acts maturely, they should stay home, lock the front door, turn out the lights and hide in the closet like Canada did after Parliament was attacked. Europe can help, but if they're going to act like epileptic children, they're not needed and not wanted.

[patches70]

If we wanted to stop ISIS then all we have to do is stop funding and helping the "moderate Islamists" in Syria. All we have to do is stand back and let Assad do what he has to do with Russian help.

Fucking ISIS is a bunch of guys riding around in pickup trucks. Turkey could wipe the floor with ISIS if they wanted to except Turkey wants ISIS around. Iran could wipe the floor with ISIS but we don't want that. Russia could demolish ISIS in short order but we try to thwart Russia at every chance we can get.

The ultimate reason why all those French victims died was because there are a number of large US energy companies that have invested billions of dollars in Qatar natgas development and exploitation and that natgas can't be delivered because Assad stands in the way so Assad has to go. That is the fucking ultimate root of all this and has led inexorably to this terrible attack.

Those French died because energy companies need to get a return on their investment. If that means some innocent people have to die, it's the price of doing business. After all, doesn't Europe want to get out from under the Russian thumb of energy dependence? It's either under the thumb of the Russians or the Qatari, take your pick. If you had picked Russia then Europe wouldn't currently be flooded with Syrian, Libyan and other Middle Eastern refugees and you'd all be living in a safer, more stable world.
Unfortunately, Europe has sided with the US in this matter and want to be under the thumb of Qatari energy dependence. Thus you are dragged into a proxy energy war from which Europe is ever so much closer to the front line and thus easier to reach in the logical prosecution of such a war.

This is what Europe signed up for whether you realized it or not. This is the new normal, unfortunately. If people had only listened way back then when people were trying to explain this to everyone all this might have been avoided. As it stands we are closer and closer to a truly horrific war of which Europe will with utmost certainty be a sad victim because of their proximity to the battlefield. The US is much safer across an ocean. Europe, not so much.
Consequences of being a lapdog for immoral, unethical and frankly foolish US foreign policy.

[saxitoxin]

If we wanted to stop ISIS then all we have to do is stop funding and helping the "moderate Islamists" in Syria. All we have to do is stand back and let Assad do what he has to do with Russian help.

The ultimate reason why all those French victims died was because there are a number of large US energy companies that have invested billions of dollars in Qatar natgas development and exploitation and that natgas can't be delivered because Assad stands in the way so Assad has to go. That is the fucking ultimate root of all this and has led inexorably to this terrible attack.

Those French died because energy companies need to get a return on their investment. If that means some innocent people have to die, it's the price of doing business. After all, doesn't Europe want to get out from under the Russian thumb of energy dependence? It's either under the thumb of the Russians or the Qatari, take your pick.

The US is much safer across an ocean. Europe, not so much. Consequences of being a lapdog for immoral, unethical and frankly foolish US foreign policy.

[KoolBak]

I wonder where betiko is?

[GoranZ]

I wonder where betiko is?

banned

[KoolBak]

Ahhh....that explains it.

[samdemars]

I wonder where betiko is?

banned

bullshit

[Dukasaur]

I wonder where betiko is?

See: https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=215617

[saxitoxin]

Giles Fraser hit it on the head in today's issue of the Guardian - the West (NATO) is to blame for the attacks in Paris.

But if Islamic terrorism is really all about politics, then we have to admit that the long history of disastrous western interventions in the Middle East is the cause of the horror that continues to unfold. In other words, we have to face our responsibility.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... e-politics

If France really wants some "ruthless" response to those responsible for this attack then they need to call in an artillery strike on the Élysée Palace.

[2dimes]

But they've shown they can't keep their big mouths shut and keep blurting out "Assad Must Go!" Until Europe acts maturely, they should stay home, lock the front door, turn out the lights and hide in the closet like Canada did after Parliament was attacked.

Kevin Vickers, my bud from Syria and I probably all disagree with that.

Justin Trudeau probably thinks you're absolutely right though.

[Phatscotty]

[b]Saxi always responds that....

So, you've been around here a month or two, a month or two of which Saxi was on vacation (probly in Syria) and not posting very much here, and all of a sudden you are telling others how Saxi always responds?

what is/was your other account name?

[GoranZ]

What happened explained in one picture

[saxitoxin]

DebkaFile reports this was an attempted decapitation strike targeting French command-and-control (Hollande). Of course Hollande, as commander-in-chief of the French armed forces, is a legitimate military target.

So, in part, Hollande is responsible for deciding his personal political benefit of appearing at a football match outweighed the safety of innocent bystanders who might get caught in the cross-fire of an attempt to remove him from office.

DEBKAfile’s counterterrorism sources note that the parties who orchestrated the deadliest terrorism attack on any European capital took into account that President Hollande would be attending a friendly French-German football match at the Stade de France, presenting them with a high-quality target for assassination or capture. One of the terrorists shouted before he died, “Francois Hollande’s foreign policy is to blame!” The other attacks on at least six locations were a kind of vicious subplot with the dual purpose of bloody terror per se as well as a diversionary tactic to confuse French security forces and keep them running around in several directions. The president’s bodyguards were meant to be distracted by two earsplitting explosions staged by two suicide bombers outside the stadium.

http://www.debka.com/article/25022/Fren ... y-in-Paris

Though, Debka is wrong when they say this was the "deadliest terrorist attack on any European capital." The Moscow Theater attack by Islamists in 2002 killed 150 (could have been 700 except for the counter-attack by Spetsnaz) and when it happened then, France didn't support Russia, they just wagged their fingers and said Russia needed to organize a dialog and sing kumbaya.

[PLAYER57832]

The terror attacks are a response to French intervention in the region. If everyone left IS alone then it would cease to conduct those sorts of attacks, and would stop being a 'terrorist organization' and start to be a mere 'organization' instead.

So you don't think a group of people who's primary goal is to ensure their own, sole interpretation of their religion dominates the world is a threat to others? Or do you suggest that is not an accurate description of ISIS?