Paris

[saxitoxin]

Nobel Peace Prize recipient Jody Williams just posted a great comment to Facebook in which she reminds us all that we must put aside our differences, join together, and blame the U.S. government.

Please try to imagine living in a country where a "Paris" happens every day. And where the daily Paris-like attacks ultimately result in the destruction of your country to such a degree that you can no longer hang on to hope for peace and a rebuilding of your country for your children, for your family, for yourself, the only possible hope to a life with maybe a future is to leave the country of your birth, the country of your history.

It is not easy to look in the mirror and face the question of what our own countries - especially mine, the US, - have done and continue to do that has resulted in the destabilization of the Middle East and the rise of ISIS.

https://www.facebook.com/9jody7/posts/10203818485421685

[Dukasaur]

Nobel Peace Prize recipient Jody Williams just posted a great comment to Facebook in which she reminds us all that we must put aside our differences, join together, and blame the U.S. government.

Please try to imagine living in a country where a "Paris" happens every day. And where the daily Paris-like attacks ultimately result in the destruction of your country to such a degree that you can no longer hang on to hope for peace and a rebuilding of your country for your children, for your family, for yourself, the only possible hope to a life with maybe a future is to leave the country of your birth, the country of your history.

It is not easy to look in the mirror and face the question of what our own countries - especially mine, the US, - have done and continue to do that has resulted in the destabilization of the Middle East and the rise of ISIS.

https://www.facebook.com/9jody7/posts/10203818485421685

There's no doubt that American meddling in the Middle East has made the problem worse. To blame the U.S. government for all of the problem, however, is downright idiotic. The jihad has been ongoing since 622 A.D., long before the first Englishman landed in Virginia.

[saxitoxin]

Nobel Peace Prize recipient Jody Williams just posted a great comment to Facebook in which she reminds us all that we must put aside our differences, join together, and blame the U.S. government.

Please try to imagine living in a country where a "Paris" happens every day. And where the daily Paris-like attacks ultimately result in the destruction of your country to such a degree that you can no longer hang on to hope for peace and a rebuilding of your country for your children, for your family, for yourself, the only possible hope to a life with maybe a future is to leave the country of your birth, the country of your history.

It is not easy to look in the mirror and face the question of what our own countries - especially mine, the US, - have done and continue to do that has resulted in the destabilization of the Middle East and the rise of ISIS.

https://www.facebook.com/9jody7/posts/10203818485421685

There's no doubt that American meddling in the Middle East has made the problem worse. To blame the U.S. government for all of the problem, however, is downright idiotic.

Good point. We must also blame the UK for dismembering the Ottoman Empire, France for installing puppet tyrant monarchs and arming despots, the Vatican for launching Crusades #s 1-10, etc.

[mrswdk]

The terror attacks are a response to French intervention in the region. If everyone left IS alone then it would cease to conduct those sorts of attacks, and would stop being a 'terrorist organization' and start to be a mere 'organization' instead.

So you don't think a group of people who's primary goal is to ensure their own, sole interpretation of their religion dominates the world is a threat to others? Or do you suggest that is not an accurate description of ISIS?

1 - your description has nothing to do with terrorism
2 - for the foreseeable future, IS has its work cut out for it just trying to establish a caliphate in the Middle East, a region of which it still only controls a small chunk. Even if they sincerely want to take over the whole world, they will be well aware that they currently have no capacity to do so, and that attacking a few people in Paris would not help them to do so. The attacks in Paris were a response to French intervention in Syria, plain and simple.

[Dukasaur]

Nobel Peace Prize recipient Jody Williams just posted a great comment to Facebook in which she reminds us all that we must put aside our differences, join together, and blame the U.S. government.

Please try to imagine living in a country where a "Paris" happens every day. And where the daily Paris-like attacks ultimately result in the destruction of your country to such a degree that you can no longer hang on to hope for peace and a rebuilding of your country for your children, for your family, for yourself, the only possible hope to a life with maybe a future is to leave the country of your birth, the country of your history.

It is not easy to look in the mirror and face the question of what our own countries - especially mine, the US, - have done and continue to do that has resulted in the destabilization of the Middle East and the rise of ISIS.

https://www.facebook.com/9jody7/posts/10203818485421685

There's no doubt that American meddling in the Middle East has made the problem worse. To blame the U.S. government for all of the problem, however, is downright idiotic.

Good point. We must also blame the UK for dismembering the Ottoman Empire, France for installing puppet tyrant monarchs and arming despots, the Vatican for launching Crusades #s 1-10, etc.

I don't think you quite understand the situation. It is the Arabs who wish to conquer Europe, not vice versa. The Crusades were a short-lived counteroffensive in what has basically been a 1400-year campaign by the Arabs to swap their hellish deserts for the verdant fields of Europe. British, French, Italian conquests in the area were essentially an attempt to move the front back into enemy territory.

[saxitoxin]

a 1400-year campaign by the Arabs to swap their hellish deserts for the verdant fields of Europe

oh, neat theory

[mrswdk]

It is the Arabs who wish to conquer Europe, not vice versa.

As clearly exhibited by the colonialism and then neo-colonialism of the French and British in the Middle East during the 20th and 21st centuries.

[Dukasaur]

Isn't that cute. China's shill comes rushing to the aid of the Arab League shill.

[waauw]

It is the Arabs who wish to conquer Europe, not vice versa.

As clearly exhibited by the colonialism and then neo-colonialism of the French and British in the Middle East during the 20th and 21st centuries.

I think you mean the 19th and 20th centuries

[saxitoxin]

EUROPEAN INFIDELS - SOON, I SHALL CONQUER THIS VERDANT FIELD OF YOURS!

[mrswdk]

It is the Arabs who wish to conquer Europe, not vice versa.

As clearly exhibited by the colonialism and then neo-colonialism of the French and British in the Middle East during the 20th and 21st centuries.

I think you mean the 19th and 20th centuries

I think I meant 20th and 21st. As Iraq, Libya and Syria show, neither of Europe's SC members have yet lost the will to continue pillaging the Middle East.

[mrswdk]

Isn't that cute. China's shill comes rushing to the aid of the Arab League shill.

Nice to see the American/Israeli shill sticking to the topic at hand rather than resorting to ad hominem.

[Bernie Sanders]

Watching you guys trying to debate the nonsense from Saxi and mrsdwk, is too funny.

[saxitoxin]

Nobel Peace Prize recipient Jody Williams just posted a great comment to Facebook in which she reminds us all that we must put aside our differences, join together, and blame the U.S. government.

Please try to imagine living in a country where a "Paris" happens every day. And where the daily Paris-like attacks ultimately result in the destruction of your country to such a degree that you can no longer hang on to hope for peace and a rebuilding of your country for your children, for your family, for yourself, the only possible hope to a life with maybe a future is to leave the country of your birth, the country of your history.

It is not easy to look in the mirror and face the question of what our own countries - especially mine, the US, - have done and continue to do that has resulted in the destabilization of the Middle East and the rise of ISIS.

https://www.facebook.com/9jody7/posts/10203818485421685

Watching you guys trying to debate the nonsense from Saxi and mrsdwk, is too funny.

Right on cue, neocon Bernie Sanders shows up to call Nobel Laureate Jody Williams' views "nonsense." How vile that Bernie would throw eggs at such a courageous and globally admired woman.

Did you already finish a cross-burning today, Bernie? Or are you still hiding in your basement from Black Lives Matter protesters?

[waauw]

It is the Arabs who wish to conquer Europe, not vice versa.

As clearly exhibited by the colonialism and then neo-colonialism of the French and British in the Middle East during the 20th and 21st centuries.

I think you mean the 19th and 20th centuries

I think I meant 20th and 21st. As Iraq, Libya and Syria show, neither of Europe's SC members have yet lost the will to continue pillaging the Middle East.

A. Lybia is not part of the Middle-east.
B. Neo-colonialism is a very broad term, that even China can be accused of this. Merely producing movies and exporting it internationally can already be considered neocolonialist.
C. France might have bombed, but have yet to invade any middle-eastern country, ergo they are not colonialist.

[waauw]

EUROPEAN INFIDELS - SOON, I SHALL CONQUER THIS VERDANT FIELD OF YOURS!

Global soil-fertility

[Dukasaur]

Isn't that cute. China's shill comes rushing to the aid of the Arab League shill.

Nice to see the American/Israeli shill responding to the points being made rather than resorting to ad hominem.

There were no points being made. There was some red herring about "colonialism" but it was not worth responding to.

Colonialism may have been a factor in much of the world, but the Middle East was not colonized by the European powers. In the early stages there were deals made with sovereign powers, where sheiks in the area bargained trade concessions in exchange for European military aid against various enemies. The resulting protectorates were not colonies. They remained completely self-governing locally and only gave up their right to control their foreign trade.

In the later stage everything changed after the Ottoman Empire joined the losing side in WWI. The British and French had been supporting the Ottoman Empire since the Council of Vienna in 1815. They had even fought the bloody Crimean War to keep the Ottoman Empire alive when it looked like the Russians might dismember it. So it was quite a surprise for them when the Ottomans jumped in on the German side in World War I. After that perfidious act, it's no surprise that they pushed a very draconian peace treaty on the Ottomans and took huge territories in 1918. Even so, the land was only held temporarily, under League of Nations mandate, with the restoration of full sovereignty as the goal right from the opening bell.

[Bernie Sanders]

Nobel Peace Prize recipient Jody Williams just posted a great comment to Facebook in which she reminds us all that we must put aside our differences, join together, and blame the U.S. government.

Please try to imagine living in a country where a "Paris" happens every day. And where the daily Paris-like attacks ultimately result in the destruction of your country to such a degree that you can no longer hang on to hope for peace and a rebuilding of your country for your children, for your family, for yourself, the only possible hope to a life with maybe a future is to leave the country of your birth, the country of your history.

It is not easy to look in the mirror and face the question of what our own countries - especially mine, the US, - have done and continue to do that has resulted in the destabilization of the Middle East and the rise of ISIS.

https://www.facebook.com/9jody7/posts/10203818485421685

Watching you guys trying to debate the nonsense from Saxi and mrsdwk, is too funny.

Right on cue, neocon Bernie Sanders shows up to call Nobel Laureate Jody Williams' views "nonsense." How vile that Bernie would throw eggs at such a courageous and globally admired woman.

Did you already finish a cross-burning today, Bernie? Or are you still hiding in your basement from Black Lives Matter protesters?

How can anyone take you seriously?

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/20-examples-bernie-sanders-powerful-record-civil-and-human-rights-1950s

Facts just confuse a empty headed shrill yourself.

[riskllama]

ha! bernie said shrill...

[mrswdk]

A. Lybia is not part of the Middle-east.
B. Neo-colonialism is a very broad term, that even China can be accused of this. Merely producing movies and exporting it internationally can already be considered neocolonialist.
C. France might have bombed, but have yet to invade any middle-eastern country, ergo they are not colonialist.

A - Arab world/Middle East. You say tomato, I say tomato. In any case that still leaves at least Iraq and Syria.
B - I'm operating on a slightly tighter definition than 'has trade links with'
C - you say bombed and overthrew the government, I say neo-colonialism. The point is still that over the past few centuries at least, the pattern very certainly has not been the Middle East actively threatening European countries.

[saxitoxin]

How can anyone take you seriously?

I like how Bernie has recently taken to bolding all of his posts. Sidelined and maligned he now has but left to scream, frantically, "look at me, look at me, look at me ..."

[saxitoxin]

Isn't that cute. China's shill comes rushing to the aid of the Arab League shill.

Nice to see the American/Israeli shill responding to the points being made rather than resorting to ad hominem.

There were no points being made. There was some red herring about "colonialism" but it was not worth responding to.

Colonialism may have been a factor in much of the world, but the Middle East was not colonized by the European powers. In the early stages there were deals made with sovereign powers, where sheiks in the area bargained trade concessions in exchange for European military aid against various enemies. The resulting protectorates were not colonies. They remained completely self-governing locally and only gave up their right to control their foreign trade.

In the later stage everything changed after the Ottoman Empire joined the losing side in WWI. The British and French had been supporting the Ottoman Empire since the Council of Vienna in 1815. They had even fought the bloody Crimean War to keep the Ottoman Empire alive when it looked like the Russians might dismember it. So it was quite a surprise for them when the Ottomans jumped in on the German side in World War I. After that perfidious act, it's no surprise that they pushed a very draconian peace treaty on the Ottomans and took huge territories in 1918. Even so, the land was only held temporarily, under League of Nations mandate, with the restoration of full sovereignty as the goal right from the opening bell.

huh?

[mrswdk]

Think Duk forgot to take his nap this afternoon.

[riskllama]

huh?

fuckin' pwned, bitch...