Russia started airstrikes in Syria, and it's a game changer!

[Dukasaur]

Well that's strange Saxi as 4 Tornado's have already made their first bombing run to Syria.

And that's four less schools and hospitals in Syria today.

The Russians bomb ISIS targets in Syria, saxi cheers. The British bomb ISIS targets in Syria, saxi moans.

Syria is not like your local park where anyone can just walk in and plop their fat ass down on a parkbench.

Syria is an independent country. It's a private home, not a public park. Russia was invited in by the legally constituted and internationally recognized government of Syria; the homeowner. Britain didn't ask - it just broke down the door and let itself in.

Russia is a guest. Britain is a burglar.

The funny part is, that's all Britain is - a burglar. A local footpad. The handful of serviceable aircraft it's scrounged together from its decrepit old air force are there to decorate the American Christmas tree, so the U.S. can say it's operating as part of a coalition in press conferences. They're not really any kind of meaningful military contribution, they're just a token.

Except (following your analogy) the homeowner isn't really in charge of his home. A noisy gang of street ruffians is squatting in his lo lobby, he is powerless to remove them, and they frighten the hell out of other people in the neighbourhood. The Neighbourhood Watch Committee has come to chase them out.

[saxitoxin]

The Tom Clancy of Britain, Terrence Strong, had an excellent commentary on the sorry state of the decrepit old British military that is hobbling into battle in Syria because America told it to (pertinent excerpts) -

But even more important than wasting taxpayers’ money – and quite another matter – is to deliberately send ill-equipped aircrew “into harm’s way”.

The Tornado would not be able to evade a Russian S-400 surface-to-air missile. Putin and the S-400 threat have now ‘created’ a pretty effective no fly zone.

The vulnerability of the Tornados’ low-level attack profile to air defences was amply demonstrated way back in Desert Storm when eight RAF aircraft were lost, mainly during operations against Saddam Hussein’s airfields.

Some may remember reliable press reports of a near-mutiny by Tornado squadron aircrew in Kuwait because of their high loss rate and the plane’s ‘suicidal’ attack profile. Allegedly one squadron expressed its firm desire to ‘down tools’ en masse and return to the UK.

Indeed, it is little known outside the military that in Afghanistan the original RAF Harrier squadrons would respond to urgent requests for close air support in less than half an hour (wheels off the ground in 15 minutes).

But when Tornados took over, just weeks before SDSR 2010, ground forces were informed by the Tornado hierarchy that all requests for “close air support” had to be submitted 24 hours in advance.

The situation is a complete mess and, as far as Britain’s efforts are concerned, its military is becoming a laughing stock.

RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus is only 70 nautical miles from Syria. Britain owns approximately 100 Typhoon and 75 Tornado aircraft. So why has it been unable to do more in Iraq? The answer is that it has the wrong aircraft with the wrong weapon systems and it lacks any vital AA suppression capability.

http://terencestrong.co.uk/why-the-raf- ... -in-syria/

Strong notes the RAF had 8 aircraft shot down in the Iraq War by enemy fire. By contrast, the USAF had 5 fixed-wing aircraft shot down by enemy fire in the same war. Adjusted for differential contribution levels, it would be like the U.S. having 5 aircraft shot down versus the UK having 40 aircraft shot down! No wonder RAF pilots almost mutinied! The ancient and ill-equipped British military should not be let out of the garage; a bunch of amateurs running around in Syria are only going to get in Russia's way.

Understandably, the British people were out in force protesting Cameron's reckless decision yesterday-

[Bernie Sanders]

Saxi, Saxi, Saxi, the Britsh are coming, the British are coming.

Russians need to concentrate on ISIS and not the Free Syrian Army or the other moderate rebels. You can try to point out the flaws in the British, French or American efforts or aging equipment, but NATO is slowly gearing up, with Arab support. ISIS will be defeated with or without Russian help.



Now get with the program and love Netanyahu as much as Putin does. What a power couple, heh? Heck, both of these boys like to act tough and like to trample on human rights. Got to find a picture/gif of Netanyahu, Putin and Asssad holding hands!

[saxitoxin]

the Britsh are coming

Interesting but not unexpected - Bernie celebrating a victory by the crypto-fascist, big business Conservative Party and the defeat of the leader of the British Labour Party (a member party of the Socialist International) who opposed the British intervention.

NATO is slowly gearing up

you need gear to "gear up" - see above report about half of the German Air Force being unable to fly - or about British pilots mutinying because their equipment is so decrepit - see my previous posts about Canada's submarines that can't go underwater or its ships that have to be towed into battle - etc.

with Arab support

By "Arab support" do you mean the pedophile, drug-addicted, serial killer who is running Saudi Arabia; or the pedophile, drug-addicted, serial killer who is running Bahrain; or the U.S.-backed army general who has proclaimed himself supreme ruler of Egypt and ordered the execution of his opponents? Because those are the only Arabs who are supporting the western-backed bombing of Syrian babies and kittens.

* cue 50 lines of word vomit, flag-waving and animated gifs *

[Keefie]

Well that's strange Saxi as 4 Tornado's have already made their first bombing run to Syria.

And that's four less schools and hospitals in Syria today.

The Russians bomb ISIS targets in Syria, saxi cheers. The British bomb ISIS targets in Syria, saxi moans.

Syria is not like your local park where anyone can just walk in and plop their fat ass down on a parkbench.

Syria is an independent country. It's a private home, not a public park. Russia was invited in by the legally constituted and internationally recognized government of Syria; the homeowner. Britain didn't ask - it just broke down the door and let itself in.

Russia is a guest. Britain is a burglar.

The funny part is, that's all Britain is - a burglar. A local footpad. The handful of serviceable aircraft it's scrounged together from its decrepit old air force are there to decorate the American Christmas tree, so the U.S. can say it's operating as part of a coalition in press conferences. They're not really any kind of meaningful military contribution, they're just a token. Four lone bombers with no intercept ability and no ground-based support like SAR teams would be too dangerous to operate over Syria. They're only able to fly there because they know they have an American safety net.

YAWN

[waauw]

The Tom Clancy of Britain, Terrence Strong, had an excellent commentary on the sorry state of the decrepit old British military that is hobbling into battle in Syria because America told it to (pertinent excerpts) -

But even more important than wasting taxpayers’ money – and quite another matter – is to deliberately send ill-equipped aircrew “into harm’s way”.

The Tornado would not be able to evade a Russian S-400 surface-to-air missile. Putin and the S-400 threat have now ‘created’ a pretty effective no fly zone.

The vulnerability of the Tornados’ low-level attack profile to air defences was amply demonstrated way back in Desert Storm when eight RAF aircraft were lost, mainly during operations against Saddam Hussein’s airfields.

Some may remember reliable press reports of a near-mutiny by Tornado squadron aircrew in Kuwait because of their high loss rate and the plane’s ‘suicidal’ attack profile. Allegedly one squadron expressed its firm desire to ‘down tools’ en masse and return to the UK.

Indeed, it is little known outside the military that in Afghanistan the original RAF Harrier squadrons would respond to urgent requests for close air support in less than half an hour (wheels off the ground in 15 minutes).

But when Tornados took over, just weeks before SDSR 2010, ground forces were informed by the Tornado hierarchy that all requests for “close air support” had to be submitted 24 hours in advance.

The situation is a complete mess and, as far as Britain’s efforts are concerned, its military is becoming a laughing stock.

RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus is only 70 nautical miles from Syria. Britain owns approximately 100 Typhoon and 75 Tornado aircraft. So why has it been unable to do more in Iraq? The answer is that it has the wrong aircraft with the wrong weapon systems and it lacks any vital AA suppression capability.

http://terencestrong.co.uk/why-the-raf- ... -in-syria/

Strong notes the RAF had 8 aircraft shot down in the Iraq War by enemy fire. By contrast, the USAF had 5 fixed-wing aircraft shot down by enemy fire in the same war. Adjusted for differential contribution levels, it would be like the U.S. having 5 aircraft shot down versus the UK having 40 aircraft shot down! No wonder RAF pilots almost mutinied! The ancient and ill-equipped British military should not be let out of the garage; a bunch of amateurs running around in Syria are only going to get in Russia's way.

Understandably, the British people were out in force protesting Cameron's reckless decision yesterday-

Your point is irrelevant. You may call the british army weak, but that is only so compared to superpowers USA, Russia and China. The british are very much a match for any other army on the planet, especially to poorly equiped IS.

[Bernie Sanders]

the Britsh are coming

Interesting but not unexpected - Bernie celebrating a victory by the crypto-fascist, big business Conservative Party and the defeat of the leader of the British Labour Party (a member party of the Socialist International) who opposed the British intervention.

NATO is slowly gearing up

you need gear to "gear up" - see above report about half of the German Air Force being unable to fly - or about British pilots mutinying because their equipment is so decrepit - see my previous posts about Canada's submarines that can't go underwater or its ships that have to be towed into battle - etc.

with Arab support

By "Arab support" do you mean the pedophile, drug-addicted, serial killer who is running Saudi Arabia; or the pedophile, drug-addicted, serial killer who is running Bahrain; or the U.S.-backed army general who has proclaimed himself supreme ruler of Egypt and ordered the execution of his opponents? Because those are the only Arabs who are supporting the western-backed bombing of Syrian babies and kittens.

* cue 50 lines of word vomit, flag-waving and animated gifs *

You constantly whine about Saudi Arabia, but ignore that Assad the murderer of killing 300,000 of his own people.

Funny, now that Putin is the lapdog of Netanyahu, you are keeping quiet about Israel.

Yep, you are a Russian, pretending you are some progressive gourmet coffee drinker in some upper crust section in California.

This is for you buddy.

[mrswdk]

Yeah. Never mind that American/British/French strikes have completely failed to rout ISIS in Iraq, where they have been bombing for more than a year with heavy ground support from the Kurdish. I'm sure with the addition of a few British planes to the effort in Syria it will all be over by Christmas.

[Bernie Sanders]

Yeah. Never mind that American/British/French strikes have completely failed to rout ISIS in Iraq, where they have been bombing for more than a year with heavy ground support from the Kurdish. I'm sure with the addition of a few British planes to the effort in Syria it will all be over by Christmas.

This is for you Mrswdk






Don't cry for Saxi, cry for Fernando- Don't cry for me, Argentina

[waauw]

Yeah. Never mind that American/British/French strikes have completely failed to rout ISIS in Iraq, where they have been bombing for more than a year with heavy ground support from the Kurdish. I'm sure with the addition of a few British planes to the effort in Syria it will all be over by Christmas.

And? As far as I know the Russian bombing in Syria still hasn't resolved the conflict.
Your argument seems fit for once ISIS has been completely defeated, but even then you should still take into account the cumulative effect.

[mrswdk]

Yeah. Never mind that American/British/French strikes have completely failed to rout ISIS in Iraq, where they have been bombing for more than a year with heavy ground support from the Kurdish. I'm sure with the addition of a few British planes to the effort in Syria it will all be over by Christmas.

And? As far as I know the Russian bombing in Syria still hasn't resolved the conflict.
Your argument seems fit for once ISIS has been completely defeated, but even then you should still take into account the cumulative effect.

I don't know what you mean. My point was that I don't see how the British dropping a few bombs over Syria is going to change anything.

[Bernie Sanders]

Yeah. Never mind that American/British/French strikes have completely failed to rout ISIS in Iraq, where they have been bombing for more than a year with heavy ground support from the Kurdish. I'm sure with the addition of a few British planes to the effort in Syria it will all be over by Christmas.

And? As far as I know the Russian bombing in Syria still hasn't resolved the conflict.
Your argument seems fit for once ISIS has been completely defeated, but even then you should still take into account the cumulative effect.

mrsdwk, obviously he answered your question, yet like always you answer a question with another question.

[GoranZ]

Saxi, Saxi, Saxi, the Britsh are coming, the British are coming.

Russians need to concentrate on ISIS and not the Free Syrian Army or the other moderate rebels. You can try to point out the flaws in the British, French or American efforts or aging equipment, but NATO is slowly gearing up, with Arab support. ISIS will be defeated with or without Russian help.

Russians will concentrate on who ever they want, not who you want US and its Allays are gearing up almost two years How much time do you need? Or you are waiting for Russians to do the job

You constantly whine about Saudi Arabia, but ignore that Assad the murderer of killing 300,000 of his own people.

Those 300,000 were killed in civil war, they weren't killed by Assad, there is a difference.
Official number of non-islamic believers in Saudi Arabia: 0(zero). Official percentage(before 2011) of Christians in Syria: over 12%. There is a difference.
But you need to have a brain to understand the differences.

[Bernie Sanders]

Saxi, Saxi, Saxi, the Britsh are coming, the British are coming.

Russians need to concentrate on ISIS and not the Free Syrian Army or the other moderate rebels. You can try to point out the flaws in the British, French or American efforts or aging equipment, but NATO is slowly gearing up, with Arab support. ISIS will be defeated with or without Russian help.

Russians will concentrate on who ever they want, not who you want US and its Allays are gearing up almost two years How much time do you need? Or you are waiting for Russians to do the job

You constantly whine about Saudi Arabia, but ignore that Assad the murderer of killing 300,000 of his own people.

Those 300,000 were killed in civil war, they weren't killed by Assad, there is a difference.
Official number of non-islamic believers in Saudi Arabia: 0(zero). Official percentage(before 2011) of Christians in Syria: over 12%. There is a difference.
But you need to have a brain to understand the differences.

Assad was the fuse that exploded the destruction of Syria. Assad is responsible for 300,000 deaths of innocent civilians. Assad is responsible for most of the Syrians leaving the country.

[Bernie Sanders]

The Germans are now sending it's armed forces to support America, France and Great Britain in the battle against ISIS.

[GoranZ]

Saxi, Saxi, Saxi, the Britsh are coming, the British are coming.

Russians need to concentrate on ISIS and not the Free Syrian Army or the other moderate rebels. You can try to point out the flaws in the British, French or American efforts or aging equipment, but NATO is slowly gearing up, with Arab support. ISIS will be defeated with or without Russian help.

Russians will concentrate on who ever they want, not who you want US and its Allays are gearing up almost two years How much time do you need? Or you are waiting for Russians to do the job

You constantly whine about Saudi Arabia, but ignore that Assad the murderer of killing 300,000 of his own people.

Those 300,000 were killed in civil war, they weren't killed by Assad, there is a difference.
Official number of non-islamic believers in Saudi Arabia: 0(zero). Official percentage(before 2011) of Christians in Syria: over 12%. There is a difference.
But you need to have a brain to understand the differences.

Assad was the fuse that exploded the destruction of Syria. Assad is responsible for 300,000 deaths of innocent civilians. Assad is responsible for most of the Syrians leaving the country.

Don't blame others for the blood shed by your country. Syria was just fine before US started spreading democracy like in Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan and many others.

Bonus: How Did Al-Qaeda in Syria Become Washington's Friend?
I hope you remember the story about Al-Qaeda and Two Tall buildings in New York.

[waauw]

[GoranZ]

Time when Palmyra will be liberated is nearing, thanks to the Russians

Closing In On Palmyra: Syrian Army Regains Strategic Highway From ISIS

[saxitoxin]

Homs About to be Liberated!

Homs, which has been the "capital" of the U.S.-backed insurgents since the start of the insurgency, is now being evacuated by the FSA. The BBC reports the U.S.-backed forces fleeing in Red Cross buses. Euronews reports there may be as many as 50 other surrenders planned in the coming weeks as Syrian troops continue to consolidate their recent gains.

It's like the Fall of Saigon except the American-backed insurgents are fleeing in buses instead of helicopters this time. Today Homs, tomorrow Jerusalem!

Thanks to the air force of the Russian Federation there will soon be exactly two sides in the Syrian Civil War to choose from: ISIS and the government led by Dr. Basher al-Assad. That should make the west's decision-making easier. Thank you, Russia!

[patches70]

Oh that's terrible news Saxi! If the Jihadists go running away into the desert how will the US know where to drop their supplies at?
I hope the Jihadists, FSA Islamifascists and their ilk run out of gas and die of thirst in the desert.... That would be kind of ironic in way.

[saxitoxin]

Oh that's terrible news Saxi! If the Jihadists go running away into the desert how will the US know where to drop their supplies at?

Probably they go running straight into Turkey. Now the capitals of Europe can find out what it means to have several hundred nutcases armed to the teeth with M-16s and RPGs running around for a few years. Maybe not a good time to be planning holidays in Germany or Italy?

[mrswdk]

Oh that's terrible news Saxi! If the Jihadists go running away into the desert how will the US know where to drop their supplies at?

Probably they go running straight into Turkey. Now the capitals of Europe can find out what it means to have several hundred nutcases armed to the teeth with M-16s and RPGs running around for a few years. Maybe not a good time to be planning holidays in Germany or Italy?

Italy isn't joining in with the bombing in Syria, just fyi.

“If being a protagonist means playing at running after other people’s bombardments, then I say ‘no thank you,’” said Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi.

He added: “Italy’s position is clear and solid. We want to wipe out terrorists, not please the commentators. The one thing we don’t need is to multiply on-the-spot reactions, without a strategic vision.”

Renzi cited the botched war in Libya—led by Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama—as evidence that Italy shouldn’t throw their weight behind another U.S.-led intervention in the Middle East.

“Four years of civil war in Libya show it was not a happy decision,” he added. Today there needs to be a different strategy” to deal with ISIS. He added, “The one thing we cannot allow ourselves is a repeat of Libya.”

www.libertynewsnow.com/italy-wimps-out- ... rticle2951

[saxitoxin]

Oh that's terrible news Saxi! If the Jihadists go running away into the desert how will the US know where to drop their supplies at?

Probably they go running straight into Turkey. Now the capitals of Europe can find out what it means to have several hundred nutcases armed to the teeth with M-16s and RPGs running around for a few years. Maybe not a good time to be planning holidays in Germany or Italy?

Italy isn't joining in with the bombing in Syria, just fyi.

"This is my advice to you. If you hold to it you will conquer Rome and own the world, if Allah wills." - Abu Bakr, 2014

“So we say to the countries that participate in the Crusader campaign: By Allah, you will have a day like that of France. By Allah, if we brought down France in its homeland, in Paris, then we swear, by the command of Allah, we will invade Rome, Allah permitting." - 2015

Rome is where the end of Europe at the hands of the Salafist phenomenon begins. If Abu Bakr takes the historic capital of the Western Roman Empire he would be fulfilling prophecy and could reveal himself as the Mahdi. Europe is already lost, it's only a matter of time now; years probably, but not a decade. Civilization's best hope is to fortress itself in the Americas.

"You people have no idea what you've just unleashed. In a few years you'll find out. On that day, do not say Saif al-Islam didn't warn you." - Saif al-Islam Qaddafi, 2011

[GoranZ]

Oh that's terrible news Saxi! If the Jihadists go running away into the desert how will the US know where to drop their supplies at?

Probably they go running straight into Turkey. Now the capitals of Europe can find out what it means to have several hundred nutcases armed to the teeth with M-16s and RPGs running around for a few years. Maybe not a good time to be planning holidays in Germany or Italy?

Italy isn't joining in with the bombing in Syria, just fyi.

"This is my advice to you. If you hold to it you will conquer Rome and own the world, if Allah wills." - Abu Bakr, 2014

“So we say to the countries that participate in the Crusader campaign: By Allah, you will have a day like that of France. By Allah, if we brought down France in its homeland, in Paris, then we swear, by the command of Allah, we will invade Rome, Allah permitting." - 2015

Rome is where the end of Europe at the hands of the Salafist phenomenon begins. If Abu Bakr takes the historic capital of the Western Roman Empire he would be fulfilling prophecy and could reveal himself as the Mahdi. Europe is already lost, it's only a matter of time now; years probably, but not a decade. Civilization's best hope is to fortress itself in the Americas.

"You people have no idea what you've just unleashed. In a few years you'll find out. On that day, do not say Saif al-Islam didn't warn you." - Saif al-Islam Qaddafi, 2011

But there is one small problem with that... The Russians. Or better said potential Russian-German alliance.

Million Dollar question: "What is needed for Donald Trump to be a president?"
Million Dollar answer: "6-7 jihadists and ~100 dead Americans 3-4 weeks before election day"

P.S. I dont want or desire innocent Americans to be victim of terrorist attack in any circumstances.