[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[Falkomagno]

Aladdin. Disregard copchecks as they are a crutch, who are your top 5 scum reads and top 5 town reads.

Note, scum here means anti town which does not include certain non harmful 3rd party roles.

Like I have sed befour, I am pretty shore you are a lincher, and you have me on yore list. How about you go first? Who are YORE top 5 scum reads and top 5 town reads. And, just as importently, give reesons for your reeds, fer wunce. You have a bad habit of just making bald pronounsements and expeckting evryone to just acksept them unkriticly.

As for me, I want to wait to see what Sorsage's deth (assuming that happens) reveels, as well as that of Mitch and whoever else gets linched today. I don't think cop investigashuns are a crutch at all, and i've never herd anywun else expess that opinyun. I'll be happy to give my top scum reeds and town reeds on D3.

I must say that you and Storr strike me as verry chummy, almost like you are in cahoots in sum way. You don't seem to questyun eech other mutch at all. Hmmmm. Will be wotching...

wing has actually done more in the reads department than yourself. Secondly, lyncher isn't an alignment, thats a role which could be anti town or town. You are under no pressure of dying in the night, give the reads before the day is out. (2 reasons why) One, you frustrate people and mafia could easily use this as an easy lynch (if you are town). 2, if shot by anything it would be a vig, so best get that info out now. 3, you are just not important enough to town atm. Plenty of other claims are out.

Absolutely right i'm not questioning wing that much. He is playing a game of mafia, expressing opinions and concerns, creating good discussion and keeping things on track. Sure many of these things can be faked, but his direction is good for now. it won't be clear about his motives till people flip.

I think is easy to see a connect Storr and monkeyface during the game...Town is motivated to find scum, it is less clear to me why to come to defend specific players, unless they are your mafia buddies. This group is completed by IB and in a minor degree Benga.

[madmitch]

when I was deputy I took over for the first cop that died which was an insane cop so I WOULD BE AN INSANE DEPUTY and my reads would be backwards,don't like switching I.D.,s but half to ,who am I going to be next? who knows ?

[Iron Butterfly]

WCG...aka monkeyface...again you keep asking the questions and deflecting any put to you..even the same questions...You seem to have a fixation on Aladdin who admittedly shoots off at the mouth a lot with his reads but you also fill the airwaves only your broadcasts are usually negative static...must say Storr appears to be your sidekick in the anti-Aladdin pusche but maybe he's just a grammar Nazi...good tactics to attack from different angles tho as that way you'd never have to be seen as backing up each other's arguments...
True I don't post MUCH but when I do I don't post MULCH

Soit is your opinion that Wing and Storr are mafiar working in tandem?

Your post is mulch for sure.

What else do you have to add to the discussion?

[StorrZerg]

What was wrong with voting no lynch to hold your vote

[StorrZerg]

Aladdin. Disregard copchecks as they are a crutch, who are your top 5 scum reads and top 5 town reads.

Note, scum here means anti town which does not include certain non harmful 3rd party roles.

Like I have sed befour, I am pretty shore you are a lincher, and you have me on yore list. How about you go first? Who are YORE top 5 scum reads and top 5 town reads. And, just as importently, give reesons for your reeds, fer wunce. You have a bad habit of just making bald pronounsements and expeckting evryone to just acksept them unkriticly.

As for me, I want to wait to see what Sorsage's deth (assuming that happens) reveels, as well as that of Mitch and whoever else gets linched today. I don't think cop investigashuns are a crutch at all, and i've never herd anywun else expess that opinyun. I'll be happy to give my top scum reeds and town reeds on D3.

I must say that you and Storr strike me as verry chummy, almost like you are in cahoots in sum way. You don't seem to questyun eech other mutch at all. Hmmmm. Will be wotching...

wing has actually done more in the reads department than yourself. Secondly, lyncher isn't an alignment, thats a role which could be anti town or town. You are under no pressure of dying in the night, give the reads before the day is out. (2 reasons why) One, you frustrate people and mafia could easily use this as an easy lynch (if you are town). 2, if shot by anything it would be a vig, so best get that info out now. 3, you are just not important enough to town atm. Plenty of other claims are out.

Absolutely right i'm not questioning wing that much. He is playing a game of mafia, expressing opinions and concerns, creating good discussion and keeping things on track. Sure many of these things can be faked, but his direction is good for now. it won't be clear about his motives till people flip.

I think is easy to see a connect Storr and monkeyface during the game...Town is motivated to find scum, it is less clear to me why to come to defend specific players, unless they are your mafia buddies. This group is completed by IB and in a minor degree Benga.

So you think, as experienced mafia players between myself and md wing, we would allow ourselves to attach to each other so obviously?

You might be right in that one is pocketing the other. (As in one mafia befriending a town )

It's also in the interest of town players to defend their town reads. Why? Because why would town want to lynch someone they don't find scummy..

[rizky_biznezz]

2 things... I figured a few would say it was scummy voting no lynch and also in case I wasn't around near the end I wanted a vote that would be helpful toward a lynch

[StorrZerg]

Back to AladdinSane,

So he town reads me, but he can't help but keep making remarks about "scummy";things I do. If you town read someone, you tend to have a bit confirmation bias in doing so it's easy to see townie things they do or see more of them. AladdinSane hasn't done this. Same goes for spotting scummy actions.

With that, AladdinSane has continued nit picking scummy things about my play, and at the same time bringing up a lengthy post on why I would be a good lynch with out calling me scummy. It was entirely about cop issue. Not to mention bringing madmitch's check on me multiple times, while saying to disregard it. It's a large filler post with no real content.

Additionally when called out to give more reads( by wing), his reaction is no you, to someone who has given a large list of reads. Sure it wasn't great with detail, but it is out there, and he has responded to pointed questions regarding to people he has read.

I strongly advise lynching AladdinSane tomorrow.

[StorrZerg]

2 things... I figured a few would say it was scummy voting no lynch and also in case I wasn't around near the end I wanted a vote that would be helpful toward a lynch

Its simple
"I want to vote whatsausage, but I understand we are waiting for him to reply to questions. Im making a place holder vote on no lynch for now. I will switch after his response or at the 21st or 22nd before deadline "

[StorrZerg]

It's a big difference voting no lynch as a place holder to avoid being modkilled and advocating no lynch to save whatsausage life and allow him t avoid answering questions. Idk how many left it takes to hammer atm, and an accidental hammer would be bad. Even if he flips scum. It robs us of more information.

[rizky_biznezz]

Ok I will keep that in mind for future sorry... I made sure it wasn't going to end the day so i figured it was safe enough to place a vote

[AladdinSane]

wing has actually done more in the reads department than yourself. Secondly, lyncher isn't an alignment, thats a role which could be anti town or town. You are under no pressure of dying in the night, give the reads before the day is out. (2 reasons why) One, you frustrate people and mafia could easily use this as an easy lynch (if you are town). 2, if shot by anything it would be a vig, so best get that info out now. 3, you are just not important enough to town atm. Plenty of other claims are out.

Absolutely right i'm not questioning wing that much. He is playing a game of mafia, expressing opinions and concerns, creating good discussion and keeping things on track. Sure many of these things can be faked, but his direction is good for now. it won't be clear about his motives till people flip.

Not true - I've alreddy posted reeds of most of teh ackive playas, as you and Gingkapo wood know if you've been reeding:

Some thorts about other playas. There are several who have been on my radar for a while, but none of them are clear linches at this point.

...

I've alredy commented on Sausage and Skoffin in the previous post. So:

Storr: Still leaning Town, despite his seething hatred for humor in eny shape or form, and his inability to deel with my PR, but I do have concerns about his push for massclaim erlier, espeshally because I think (unless I have fergoten somting) he has yet to fullclaim himself. How about it, Storr? The result of the massclaim push seems to be just that we got a cupple erly naive claims like PTLOWE coming out as cop. Massclaim push prob had anti-Town effect overall, so I think we have to look at Storr a bit harder. On the other hand, I'm sure people will jump on me for asking Storr to fullclaim. Whatever. Storr might have good reasons for not wanting to fullclaim, and those reasons cood be pro- or anti-Town.

Mitch: Wot can I say? Prob too much of a wildcard to live, but he has already been injured and is not expected live much longer. 10/10 for being entertaining.

Metsfanmax: I don't know why but I'm not getting a Town vibe on Max. Can't put my finger on anyfink tho. Remains enigmatic / neutral for now.

TWR: Need to look over his posts again, so no verdict for now. Comes across as slightly scummy, but he did in my other game too, and he was Town their.

Benga and IB: Conflicting reports of investimagashuns on Sausage. Will suspend judgement until the Sausage lynch, assuming that happens.

PTLowe: I'm inclined to beleeve his cop claim - although I tink it was naive to claim it so erly, Have no idea about his sanity. We have had one insane cop alreddy. He cood be sane, insane, or paranoid. So far, nobody has flipped sane.

WC Ginkapo: Pretty sure he is a lincher or something. Best ignored as far as voting goes (both votes ON and votes BY), but did do good work on the VC issue. Prob believes he is pro-Town, but might not be sane.

PLAYER: Seems a bit eager to please, sumtimes. Posting enuff, but seems to just go with theh flow, which is scummy. Leaning scum, slitely.

Okay, enuf for now. Will come back and do sum moor after playing some CC moves and doing sum other stuff.

I don't have unlimited time for this - I sed I wil come bak and do moor but I decided I wanted to do that post about how much confidense we can have in cop reeds - whitch you and Ginkapo have both tried to downplay (it looks more and more like you too are werking togevver, and not in Town's interests). You strike me as sumwun who takes the game very sewiously, Storr, so wen you make elementary mistakes like dis - and you've made sevral lately, it makes me vewy suspishus. Vewy suspishus indeed.

Now, let me repeet dis bit frum teh post above, since it seems too have flown over evryone's head:

This game is ackshually very different from the other one I played, where 4/10 playas seemed to be falling over themselves to look the most scummy - Tim, Mitch, DJP, and Soldier4Christ. TWR also looked a bit scummy and was attracting votes. And all 5 turned out to be Town. S4C got linched D1, Tim D2 for role-fission, and DJP came real close. I tink TWR got NKed. Lesson lerned: not evryone who appears skummy from what they wrote is skummy.

On the other hand, Bos (replaced by Benga late in the game) seemed really solid, and didn't get a single vote for the hole game, I think, but was scum. Lesson lerned: not evryone who appears really solid Town is Town.

Dis is my secund game, as I keep saying, and dose are lessuns I lerned from teh first. Dat's why I don't put a lot of faith into trying to do reeds just from peeples' posts, and why I want to hold off from making eny Top 5 lists just now. My most generus reed of you is that you are Town and trying to apply methods dat have werked fer you in other games, but they are inadekwate fer dis game. I'm moor and moor inklined, tho, as I have sed, to tink you and Ginkapo are in on sumthing suspishus together, so I mite have to revise my reed of Ginkapo as a simpul lincher.

In teh meentime, I'll continyou to make brief comments on the moor acktive playas as and when I have time. If you want to try to linch me for dat, be my gest, but I tink Town shood be looking very hard at you and Ginkapo rite now. Of teh reeds I havent done yet, I tink TWR's is teh most ergent.

GINKAPO and STORR: You need to start divulging info yoreselves, not just imperiously demanding it from others. If you coninue to dodge questjuns, you will only succeed in looking skummier and skummier.

[AladdinSane]

Absolutely right i'm not questioning wing that much. He is playing a game of mafia, expressing opinions and concerns, creating good discussion and keeping things on track. Sure many of these things can be faked, but his direction is good for now. it won't be clear about his motives till people flip.

As fer dis, it just dozent ring true. Ginkapo has diplayed and obsesshun wit me rite out of teh gate, and to a lesser extent, TWR, and he has posted a string of reeds witch are mostly just bald statements of opinion wit nuffink to bak dem up. The only useful ting he has done has been wit teh votecount puzzul, but dat can help Mafia as mutch as it can help Town, so it don't count. As fer yerselg, you seem to be applying a diffrent standard to sum playas, making it look like you are in leeg wit dem.

[AladdinSane]

WCG...aka monkeyface...again you keep asking the questions and deflecting any put to you..even the same questions...You seem to have a fixation on Aladdin who admittedly shoots off at the mouth a lot with his reads but you also fill the airwaves only your broadcasts are usually negative static...must say Storr appears to be your sidekick in the anti-Aladdin pusche but maybe he's just a grammar Nazi...good tactics to attack from different angles tho as that way you'd never have to be seen as backing up each other's arguments...
True I don't post MUCH but when I do I don't post MULCH

Soit is your opinion that Wing and Storr are mafiar working in tandem?

Your post is mulch for sure.

What else do you have to add to the discussion?

Hold on a red hot minute der, IB: You don't get to just write off an allejed link between Ginkapo and Storr without giving reesons. You run the risk of looking like skum defending skum.

I think is easy to see a connect Storr and monkeyface during the game...Town is motivated to find scum, it is less clear to me why to come to defend specific players, unless they are your mafia buddies. This group is completed by IB and in a minor degree Benga.

I don't no about Benga - he had a conflikting reed to IB - but dese other tree are looking mitey chummy rite now. Mitey chummy indeed. And sinse none of dem is confirmed Town, dat's vewy vewy suspishus.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

What info exactly do you want Aladdin?

Remember i subbed in having read half of D1 as it happened, I had a lot to say, which included hanging your scummy arse out to dry. You have done nothine to convince me otherwise.

White rose is slightly different as I have played with him before and may read him as scum regardless of his alignment as i strongly dislike his playstyle. I am more cautious in nailing him to the hangmans noose.

[AladdinSane]

Back to AladdinSane,

So he town reads me, but he can't help but keep making remarks about "scummy";things I do. If you town read someone, you tend to have a bit confirmation bias in doing so it's easy to see townie things they do or see more of them. AladdinSane hasn't done this. Same goes for spotting scummy actions.

With that, AladdinSane has continued nit picking scummy things about my play, and at the same time bringing up a lengthy post on why I would be a good lynch with out calling me scummy. It was entirely about cop issue. Not to mention bringing madmitch's check on me multiple times, while saying to disregard it. It's a large filler post with no real content.

Additionally when called out to give more reads( by wing), his reaction is no you, to someone who has given a large list of reads. Sure it wasn't great with detail, but it is out there, and he has responded to pointed questions regarding to people he has read.

I strongly advise lynching AladdinSane tomorrow.

Yore starting to look a bit panicky there Storr. First, let me say I am seeing a pattern emerjing. Dis is the turd time you and Ginkapo have been all over me wen I displayed good skilz. Firt, der was my spekulations on D1 about wot was going on wit the potenshal danger posed by HotShot. Remember, peeple was saying I had to no moor than was posted, but I was able to show that, no, evrytink cood have been surmised by anyone who red all teh posts. Secund, der was my desckripshun of you as smart, experiensed and winner in anover game as 3P - agin I was able to point to posts that pointed to all dese things.

And now, turd, you go on about "confirmashun bias". Yeah, maybe four sum peeple but I am used to reeding carefuly and acurately. Thats' why I keep finding ambi...anbigooities in IB's posts. Ambi...ambigooities that in at least wun case he has neglected to cleer up, I mite add. Wen posting befour, I DID reed you as "LEENING Town" (i.e. not strong town reed), and of corse I find scummy tings in yore play. Dat's why only "leening town".

You have a convincing demeanor, to be shore - you have "the voice" down just about rite - but I keep remembring that win you had in the HP game as 3P, witch shows you can maintain a decepshun rite thru a game. And yore descripshun of yoreself as "divine" at Mafia. You take teh game sewiously - it's yore first interest listed in yore profile - and yoove got quite a bit of ego invested in it, metinks. Its dis convincing demeanor that had me leening Town, but I stayed imparshal reeding yer posts and dats why I see elements dat look skummy.

And why do you insist on bringing up Mitch's reed on you agin and agin? I said in that long post dat we shood disregard evryting Mitch said while pretending to be deputy, and repeeted it agin later. Stop flogging that ded horse ffs.

Also, you dodged the fullclaim questyun agin. I don't care, keep it to yerself, but don't be surprised if others call you on it when yer pressing them to claim.

[AladdinSane]

What info exactly do you want Aladdin?

I'm just asking you to provide what you aked of me: top five reads Town and Scum. Seems fair, right? Same as I am asking Storr to fullclaim since he is pressing others to do so. You to seem to tink you have sum speshal status, but you don't.

Remember i subbed in having read half of D1 as it happened, I had a lot to say, which included hanging your scummy arse out to dry. You have done nothine to convince me otherwise.

Zzzzzzzz. Says the stalkerlincher, or wotever you are.

WHEN, OH WHEN, are you going to come up with sumtink specific? Dis is the FORTH time I have asked you to present wotever case you fink you have, but you just keep on repeeting yore opinion with nuffink wotsoever to back it up. It got old a long time ago.

I am more cautious in nailing him to the hangmans noose.

Ugh! Mixed metafor.

[AladdinSane]

I'm just asking you to provide what you aked of me: top five reads Town and Scum. Seems fair, right? Same as I am asking Storr to fullclaim since he is pressing others to do so. You to seem to tink you have sum speshal status, but you don't.

I shoodent need to add dis, but obviously I do: I also want eech of your Town and Scum picks to be accumpaneed by suporting reesons - nun of dis just stating bald facks without coroborashun, as you are prone to do.

[madmitch]

Since it looks like I am going to die anyway here's the truth, I WAS NEVER A DEPUTY , MAILMAN,or anything else important,where I.B. got that eight ball is beyond me, AS Aladdin surmised I thought the mailman gave him the info on H.S., but it was fun watching you two argue about it. I am a jester and need to be hanged to win, so put that in your pipe and smoke it. PS. everything I said is the truth

[AladdinSane]

Since it looks like I am going to die anyway here's the truth, I WAS NEVER A DEPUTY , MAILMAN,or anything else important,where I.B. got that eight ball is beyond me, AS Aladdin surmised I thought the mailman gave him the info on H.S., but it was fun watching you two argue about it. I am a jester and need to be hanged to win, so put that in your pipe and smoke it. PS. everything I said is the truth

Mitch, you have been instruMENTAL in making dis an enjoyable game four me. At leest you dont take it to sewious. I almost wish dat your woond duzent prove fatal. Almost.

Sory, but it's confuzing enuff alreddy. We need too see how you flip.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

What info exactly do you want Aladdin?

I'm just asking you to provide what you aked of me: top five reads Town and Scum. Seems fair, right? Same as I am asking Storr to fullclaim since he is pressing others to do so. You to seem to tink you have sum speshal status, but you don't.

I answered this on saturday, and have quoted on this very page further up. Just because you claim i havent done things doesnt mean i havent, just makes you look scummier.

[StorrZerg]

Can't wait to wreck AladdinSane reads.

Half are this or that reads mixed with a random weak non alignment indicative reason.

[AladdinSane]

What info exactly do you want Aladdin?

I'm just asking you to provide what you aked of me: top five reads Town and Scum. Seems fair, right? Same as I am asking Storr to fullclaim since he is pressing others to do so. You to seem to tink you have sum speshal status, but you don't.

I answered this on saturday, and have quoted on this very page further up. Just because you claim i havent done things doesnt mean i havent, just makes you look scummier.

You mean dis krap?

Mtam is town as he is nailing his reads.

Storr, pt, ib are likely town in my books.

Aladdin, white rose, deg, benga, rish, falko are all anti town.

Mitch and dj need copchecking as i will never get a good read on em.

Letz go thru des wun-by-wun, shall we?

Mtam is town as he is nailing his reads.

Since mtam''s reeds havent been verfyed, dis can only mean "Mtam is town, he agrees wid me". Useless.

Storr, pt, ib are likely town in my books.

No supporting reesons. Uzeless. However Vewy vewy innersting that you are supporting too playas who you are accused of colaborating with - Storr and IB.

Aladdin, white rose, deg, benga, rish, falko are all anti town.

Agin, no supporting reesons. Uzeless.

Mitch and dj need copchecking as i will never get a good read on em.

No reads heer. That's okay, but overall you have provided ZERO useful reeds here. There useless without supporting reesons.

And how come you arnt demanding sutch a list from evryone? Anser: becorse yore only focussed on me, prob becorse I am yore linch target.

[AladdinSane]

Can't wait to wreck AladdinSane reads.

Half are this or that reads mixed with a random weak non alignment indicative reason.

...and Storr apeers to bak up his buddy. LOL. Try to not be so obvius, huh?

[AladdinSane]

While where on the topik, let's see YORE top 5 Town and Scum reeds, Storr.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Aladdins reads summarised;

Storr - town
Mets - neutral
Twr - no read
Benga & IB - no read but happy to lynch one tomorrow based on Sausages alignment
Ptlowe -town
Wcg - protown (not sure how we are supposed to interpret that nonsense aladdin has written really)
Player - scum

Aladdins gameplay - complains bitterly about Storr, wcg, ib and pt working together and tells mitch that his mitchs death will be so informative. Doesnt ask player any questions or make any accusations.

@storr - there is nothkng to rip to shreds as he has been a million miles away from consistent.

Aladdin - is my interpretation wrong at any point?