[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[DJPatrick]

Hey guys. gotta kill pps for a living...haha..but away on bivouac for a coupla days...will be back to (prob) feel the noose tightening around my neck...
Seems a bit of a paranoid kill frenzy has overtaken this town (still 20 folk) but just a parting thort...I suggested that there was a triumvirate of evil (Monkey Man/Stool/Alladin) of which two were playing us for fools...interestingly, Alladin commented on both WGK and Stoor but made no mention of the allegation against himself...I know he's often (semi) defended me but hey that was the play in the previous game...no-one thort I'd get thru so they attacked around me...we won that one as town...town is a BIG MULTICULTURAL place,,,we may not all agree on shyyte but if you lynch pps for being different then you don't deserve to beat the scum...just a thort?
Back in 72hrs-ish!

[AladdinSane]

Well, I'm really glad I was keeping up with this game even when dead (except for most of N2 chat, because I was out of town).

The bad news is, I don't have much in the way of info for checks. N1 the mods didn't send me a result (and it would not have mattered, since I investigated Skoffin). I did NOT know that I was insane, so I likely would have redchecked the town doc. N2 I did not get a check, because I was quite dead. I am allowed to use all the info I remember from dead chat, which is really just finding out more from Sausage about what his role was, finding out that HotShot was, in fact, a cult recruiter (so IB did help town with that one), and finding out what the deal is with the apples, kinda (mods gave everyone an apple, and those who ate them got random things happening, some good, some bad). It did not reveal the alignment of any living players, sadly.

I will also say that my cop checks come in the form of town, anti-town, and no result.

At the moment, I am in favour of a mass claim.

Well, Marashu hasent logged in since 1/28, so silense mite not be dat suspishus. '

We need to dig into why Marashu dident get a resolt on Skoffin on N1. Roll-blokked? Maybe, but by whom? Rish says he was jailing Wing dat nite, and no wun else has claimed teh power to blok investimagashuns. Cood it be dat he dident investimagate Skoffin at orl, but insted got an incriminatink resolt on scum? A resolt dat he does not want to reveel becorse he is, hisself, now scum too?

Makes moor sense for him to claim no resolt than to fabrikate a resolt about a living playa, witch cood subsekwently be proven folse.

Agin, why wood teh ded have priviliged info about teh appuls?

Orso, Marashu says he found out moor about Sausage's roll, but dozent elusidate.

[StorrZerg]

hmm its possible lsu sweater blocked me at night. I wasn't given a choice to use it or not. I was told it wasn't related to madmitch.
He wanted my role / alignment to be public seems odd considering i said i was bringing someone back. In addition i was cop checked. I find it hard to see both inventors as town.

[DJPatrick]

Again NO response to the allegations, Alladin? Just checcking how the good cop/bad cop ploy is comig along with yer M8s? you don't seems to have a lot to say in response to direct QWestions?

[AladdinSane]

...I suggested that there was a triumvirate of evil (Monkey Man/Stool/Alladin) of which two were playing us for fools...interestingly, Alladin commented on both WGK and Stoor but made no mention of the allegation against himself...twisted:

I'm...I'm still trying to get my hed around teh fact dat you accused me of been in leegue wit those too, of orl peepul.

I suspose dat teh "public sparring / private buddies" ting can hapen - if you remember bak too dat other game we played, I accused you and Streak of playin teh same game. Orl I can say is "wait and see", I gess. I'm hoping either Wing or Storr gets linched today, and am hapy to vote either of dem (currently Storr, but will vote Wing or DJP if we need to get a linch over teh line - dedline's getting close).

FPed by impayshunt DJP

[StorrZerg]

Thing is, my role HAS been proven. I have brought someone back form the dead. He was town when he died, he is still town.

*sigh* Okay, let me walk you orl thru a cupple tings reeeeeeel sloooooow:

We can agree dat Marashu was 100% Town Insane Cop wen he died. Dat's wot he flipped, dat's wot he was AT DAT TIME. No kwestjun.

The kwestjun is: In dis game in witch the mods are not just been basterds but have aparently desided to go full cant, why wood we tink he has cum bak teh same, esp. in the ite of dis, witch I am geting tired of reposting:

If a game is not No Reveal but includes revival in some form, it is more likely that the revived player has secretly received a non-Town Role PM in the interim than that they are the same role as before.
Why do you keep resposting paranoia bullshit. THIS IS NOT A GIVEN STATEMENT OF FACT. ITS A POSSIBILITY THAT WILL SOLVE ITSELF. I've yet to play a game on CONQUER CLUB, where someone brought back CHANGED alignments. Keep pulling stuff off mafia sites that don't have any relation to CC. Cause the thing is, marashu should retain his power, he is going to have to announce a check tomorrow, or be dead because mafia shoot him. You are trying to play the game at lynch or lose mate, we are not even close to that stage of the game. Use some common sense.

1. We shood consider dat Marashu is, at best, a 50/50 chanse to return teh same. Acording to dis quote, teh odds overall are less then 50/50.
Again with your made up bullshit. Regardless of the %, you play out the situation because the game is not at lylo. Hell it looks like marashu is going to be modkilled at this rate.
2. You must have known dis. Theirfore teh vewy act of bringink bak Marashu itself looks scummy.
REALLYLYYYY??????? I KNEW HE MIGHT BE CONVERTED. Holy f*ck, if i knew he might be something different i wouldn't be so public about this stupid shit. I wouldn't have talked about it the previous day. I know marashu is still insane cop, because thats what he was when he died. I have no hint what so ever that anything changed on him. To which, you let him go into the night to get another check.
3. Wot is making me more suspishus is yore repeeted atempts to sweep dis under teh carpet and insist dat Marashu is teh same as befour. Seems to me dat a Town wood aknollege teh posibility dat Marashu is diferent now.
Maybe because its paranoia bullshit???? Simplify the game, i know your not dumb. You have roles that can be proven, you have time in the game for it to happen. you have a role that has been used successfully. AND YOU'RE TRYING TO LYNCH THE GUY. I will never acknowledge that marashu is different unless he flips different a second time. Why? because its a stupid thing to be paranoid about. Just like talking about apples. Its pointless to waste breathe on.
Mets kinda gets it, but he is rong, in teh lite of teh above quote, too say it is unlikely dat Marashu is diferunt now. It is ackshually likely.
No, mets is on my ass because he thinks i lied. and he doesn't give a shit about anything else. if he thinks a lie happened he is going to tunnel on it regardless. Thing is, you're teh only one who truly believes this poppycock.

Based on what? I'll admit that probably he is town, because having an effect to bring someone back and change their alignment is just unlikely. But can we be certain he's town? No, and despite all the shit that Aladdin is tossing around, you're making things worse too by responding to his paranoia with this crap.

Now, on to PTLowe's chek on Storr:

Also for all you newbz who can't wrap their head around the fact that A. Storr is confirmed town because of the cop check from ptlowe. Get over it. Move on. Storr cannot be scum right now because unless Marashu is messing with us the cult recruiter is dead.

PTLowe flipped Town Cop, so his chek carrys a lot of weigt, BUT it is NOT watertite, as Storr (and now Rish??? - hmmm) wants us to beleeve. Why? Well, Godfather wood return Town to PTLowe, fer a start. Den there is teh posibility of busdriving. So, yes, PTLowe's chek does make Storr look considderably moor Townish, but def not 100%.

Not water tight? Sure, but you have 18 other people in the game that have less credible roles proving their alignment and you are going on someone that has a cop check, and brought back a cop. Seriously, check yourself before you wreck yourself.
Agin, it is Storr's ackshuns dat make me suspishus of him - bringink back Marashu and den insisting he is teh same as befor he dyed, and pushing hard fer a massclaim dat just looks bad fer Town. And, agin, his reackshun dozent help his corze: He bangs on insessently about how he has been cop cheked, but refuses to acknowledge teh chek isent watertite.
ok, you win my check isn't water tight. Thing is, i was still cop checked. I still brought back a town. I had doc powers as well. If you lynch me, you don't solve marashu. Because in your world even when i flip town, you can't trust marashu is really town. Lets pretend for a min, i'm telling the truth. And marashu is town, what is mafia going to have to do? They are going to have to kill him because he is a cop, (or o pray they kill you, o god that would be so sweet, but no mafia will not grant a mercy killing).
@Rish: And why wood we tink Marashu isent messing wit us? I showed above (agin) dat teh chances are dat he is scum now. Agin, who benefits frum Marashu's assershun dat HotShot was a Cult recrooter? IB - becorse it lends creedence to IB's claim dat HS was danjerus to Town. Like IB says, sumtimes it is teh littul tings dat matter.

Here is your paranoia scenario. I've been recruited by the other cult that IB leads. I can bring marashu back who is now under our cult. We have also recruited rish. Ill speak to ib tonight so you can be converted /end fairy-world bullshit paranoia

[StorrZerg]

...I suggested that there was a triumvirate of evil (Monkey Man/Stool/Alladin) of which two were playing us for fools...interestingly, Alladin commented on both WGK and Stoor but made no mention of the allegation against himself...twisted:

I'm...I'm still trying to get my hed around teh fact dat you accused me of been in leegue wit those too, of orl peepul.

I suspose dat teh "public sparring / private buddies" ting can hapen - if you remember bak too dat other game we played, I accused you and Streak of playin teh same game. Orl I can say is "wait and see", I gess. I'm hoping either Wing or Storr gets linched today, and am hapy to vote either of dem (currently Storr, but will vote Wing or DJP if we need to get a linch over teh line - dedline's getting close).

FPed by impayshunt DJP

would you care to respond to my allegations against wing?????

or actually make a case against me that includes something alignment indicative, because everything you have on me is hypothetical + wanting a mass claim, which is policy.

[degaston]

I received a gun on N1 that kind of turned me a into day vig, but the gun didn't work as expected, and it turned out to be one-shot.

I was wesponsible for that. Did you not wead the Lincoln quote attached to it? It wasn't a gun as such. You should think more Staw Twek: It had the oppowtunity to pawalyze, wound, and kill. Obviously, wounding wouldn't wesult in killing as the thiwd option would have been wedundant then. By wounding mitch, you jailed him. I chose you because you gave out a townie vibe D1 in my opinion. However, the kill option was a suicidal one as thewe was the possibility of me handing something to scum. Hence the Lincoln quote. I figuwed that if scum had gotten the gun, they would've use the kill option (and killed themselves in the pwocess).

What was I supposed to conclude from that quote even if I had realized it was by Lincoln, and I was "thinking Star Trek"?

Would the kill option also have killed the target?

It was a quote meant to indicate that using the kill option meant your own death. The "gun" would have exploded in your hand and killed you.

I'm hung over. Will read closer later today.

I understand that it would have killed me. Would it have killed my target?

What would paralyze have done?

N2, I gave Benga a little something-something.

@benga, what did you get?

[degaston]

Mitch, did you get any information about what I did to you, or what its effect was?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Deadline in 7 days, February 2nd 2016. It takes 12 to lynch. Remember to vote

Time to stop with the paranoid infighting. Can we pool together please.

[rizky_biznezz]

Not really willing to.get on board a wing or storr lynch today.. I will wait and see what wing does during the night... either way we should get info about him he will have to explain whatever action he does and can decide if it was in towns best interest or mafia may consider him dangerous and kill him.

Fpd by wing.

[AladdinSane]

What would paralyze have done?

Just a wild gess, but maybe it wood have stopped him frum posting. I'm orso going too gess dat teh "woond" setting stops its target frum performing eny ackshuns there roll mite grant dem.

@Storr: Will respond to yer allegashuns about Wing later - need to thimk it thru.

[AladdinSane]

Deadline in 7 days, February 2nd 2016. It takes 12 to lynch. Remember to vote

Time to stop with the paranoid infighting. Can we pool together please.

Fer wunce I agree wit you.

[degaston]

What would paralyze have done?

Just a wild gess, but maybe it wood have stopped him frum posting. I'm orso going too gess dat teh "woond" setting stops its target frum performing eny ackshuns there roll mite grant dem.

Ragian already answered the part about wounding:

Obviously, wounding wouldn't wesult in killing as the thiwd option would have been wedundant then. By wounding mitch, you jailed him.

But there's no reason for you to speculate about what it did, is there? He can answer it for himself.

[AladdinSane]

Thing is, my role HAS been proven. I have brought someone back form the dead. He was town when he died, he is still town.

*sigh* Okay, let me walk you orl thru a cupple tings reeeeeeel sloooooow:

We can agree dat Marashu was 100% Town Insane Cop wen he died. Dat's wot he flipped, dat's wot he was AT DAT TIME. No kwestjun.

The kwestjun is: In dis game in witch the mods are not just been basterds but have aparently desided to go full cant, why wood we tink he has cum bak teh same, esp. in the ite of dis, witch I am geting tired of reposting:

If a game is not No Reveal but includes revival in some form, it is more likely that the revived player has secretly received a non-Town Role PM in the interim than that they are the same role as before.
Why do you keep resposting paranoia bullshit. THIS IS NOT A GIVEN STATEMENT OF FACT. ITS A POSSIBILITY THAT WILL SOLVE ITSELF. I've yet to play a game on CONQUER CLUB, where someone brought back CHANGED alignments. Keep pulling stuff off mafia sites that don't have any relation to CC. Cause the thing is, marashu should retain his power, he is going to have to announce a check tomorrow, or be dead because mafia shoot him. You are trying to play the game at lynch or lose mate, we are not even close to that stage of the game. Use some common sense.
You are rite, it's not a statement of facked, but it IS a posibility we shood bare in mind as we procede. And yes, it is a posibility dat wil solve itself. The pomplem is dat it can solve itself in wun of a few ways, and at leest two are anti-Town:

1. Marashu mite still be Town Insane Cop - dat wood be good; OR

2. Marashu mite now be scum and pertend to still be cop, misdireckting Town; OR

3. Marashu mite now be scum and have a killing roll now, and NK a Town - who he can identify tanks to yore massclaim.

Orso, how is it relevent dat you havent seen a revivol wit changed alinement in a CC game before? Witch part of "Basterd supprise Mafia" don't you unnerstand?

BTW: Why do you keep corling me "paranoid" as if it has eny meening? Teh naycha of Mafia is to make us paranoid becorse we know their are Mafia out their who can only win by killing us / geting us linched, not to menshun anti-Town 3Ps, and we dont know who dey are. Rite now, we have Mafia and maybe other scum out their, our power rolls are eggsposed tanks to teh massclaim, our only known saving doc is modkilled, you mite have brort back a zombie, and who knows wtf is going on wit Mitch? Paranoid? You bet!!!

1. We shood consider dat Marashu is, at best, a 50/50 chanse to return teh same. Acording to dis quote, teh odds overall are less then 50/50.
Again with your made up bullshit. Regardless of the %, you play out the situation because the game is not at lylo. Hell it looks like marashu is going to be modkilled at this rate.

2. You must have known dis. Theirfore teh vewy act of bringink bak Marashu itself looks scummy.
REALLYLYYYY??????? I KNEW HE MIGHT BE CONVERTED. Holy f*ck, if i knew he might be something different i wouldn't be so public about this stupid shit. I wouldn't have talked about it the previous day. I know marashu is still insane cop, because thats what he was when he died. I have no hint what so ever that anything changed on him. To which, you let him go into the night to get another check.
Well, you dident eggsactly cum out and say it cleerly, did you? Just littul hints dat eggsperiesed playas mite pick up. You wanted sertain peepul to know wot was going down, but not others.
3. Wot is making me more suspishus is yore repeeted atempts to sweep dis under teh carpet and insist dat Marashu is teh same as befour. Seems to me dat a Town wood aknollege teh posibility dat Marashu is diferent now.
Maybe because its paranoia bullshit???? Simplify the game, i know your not dumb. You have roles that can be proven, you have time in the game for it to happen. you have a role that has been used successfully. AND YOU'RE TRYING TO LYNCH THE GUY. I will never acknowledge that marashu is different unless he flips different a second time. Why? because its a stupid thing to be paranoid about. Just like talking about apples. Its pointless to waste breathe on.

Mets kinda gets it, but he is rong, in teh lite of teh above quote, too say it is unlikely dat Marashu is diferunt now. It is ackshually likely.
No, mets is on my ass because he thinks i lied. and he doesn't give a shit about anything else. if he thinks a lie happened he is going to tunnel on it regardless. Thing is, you're teh only one who truly believes this poppycock.
I'm raising it as a posibility, but wun dat has dire implikashuns if I'm rite. I've awreddy acknollejed dat you mite have just made sum bad moves, rather tahn ackshually be scum.

Based on what? I'll admit that probably he is town, because having an effect to bring someone back and change their alignment is just unlikely. But can we be certain he's town? No, and despite all the shit that Aladdin is tossing around, you're making things worse too by responding to his paranoia with this crap.

Now, on to PTLowe's chek on Storr:

Also for all you newbz who can't wrap their head around the fact that A. Storr is confirmed town because of the cop check from ptlowe. Get over it. Move on. Storr cannot be scum right now because unless Marashu is messing with us the cult recruiter is dead.

PTLowe flipped Town Cop, so his chek carrys a lot of weigt, BUT it is NOT watertite, as Storr (and now Rish??? - hmmm) wants us to beleeve. Why? Well, Godfather wood return Town to PTLowe, fer a start. Den there is teh posibility of busdriving. So, yes, PTLowe's chek does make Storr look considderably moor Townish, but def not 100%.

Not water tight? Sure, but you have 18 other people in the game that have less credible roles proving their alignment and you are going on someone that has a cop check, and brought back a cop. Seriously, check yourself before you wreck yourself.
Agin, it is Storr's ackshuns dat make me suspishus of him - bringink back Marashu and den insisting he is teh same as befor he dyed, and pushing hard fer a massclaim dat just looks bad fer Town. And, agin, his reackshun dozent help his corze: He bangs on insessently about how he has been cop cheked, but refuses to acknowledge teh chek isent watertite.
ok, you win my check isn't water tight. Thing is, i was still cop checked. I still brought back a town. I had doc powers as well. If you lynch me, you don't solve marashu. Because in your world even when i flip town, you can't trust marashu is really town. Lets pretend for a min, i'm telling the truth. And marashu is town, what is mafia going to have to do? They are going to have to kill him because he is a cop, (or o pray they kill you, o god that would be so sweet, but no mafia will not grant a mercy killing).
Even if Marashu is still a cop, he wont be eny use to you if Mafia kills me. And dey prob will, now dat my roll is eggsposed. Frum there POV, better to kill orl posibility of investimagashun, rather than just kill a single cop. If I'm stil alive D4, it prob meens Marashu is scum and Mafia know it - and therefore know my roll no longer thretens dem - UNLESS, of corse, you can brink back PTLowe fer us tonite?

Akshually, you need to cleer up yer roll fer us. You wood look a hole lot less suspishus if you just played it strait. CAN you revive sumwun agin tonite? Dat wood be a reeson to keep you alive, I gess. And can you perteckt sumwun tonite? If so, I suggest you pertect me - or, at leest dat sumwun does. Did you get orl these powers rite off teh bat? Normaly i woodent ask, but dis is massclaim after orl. And pleese don't fob us orf with dis "only after evrywun else" BS? TWR orso says he has good reeson not to claim - but dat's sumting enywun can say.

Okay, dats orl I want to say about dis particlar topic fer now. I just wanted to get it out their fer peepuls' considerashun, but dat's dun now.

Fer now, UNVOTE

[AladdinSane]

What would paralyze have done?

Just a wild gess, but maybe it wood have stopped him frum posting. I'm orso going too gess dat teh "woond" setting stops its target frum performing eny ackshuns there roll mite grant dem.

Ragian already answered the part about wounding:

Obviously, wounding wouldn't wesult in killing as the thiwd option would have been wedundant then. By wounding mitch, you jailed him.

But there's no reason for you to speculate about what it did, is there? He can answer it for himself.

I'm assuming dat, if he knew, he wood have told us awreddy.

[AladdinSane]

Besides, "woonding" isent teh same as "jailing" becorse it lacks teh pertecktive aspect (persumably).

[StorrZerg]

revive was one time use. If i can protect, i wouldn't be protecting you. Your death would answer lots of questions, it would potentially prove your role. Also, since you believe marashu to not be cop, you are not actually helping any current cops. Its more worth to be protectin someone i feel is a strong town, or someone that can prove their role, or both. I wanted mass claim, because i had an easily provable power. I wanted to figure the game out now, since i thought i'd be dead after using my power. Its amazing you spend more time trying to f*ck up your posts, than reading what people have said. Spend a little less time "catering" to your "restriction" and you might have eyes to see whats going on in this game.

[StorrZerg]

anyone not willing to lynch wing today, needs to be aware of who he might shoot, and should be concerned. He really only has a few options on who to shoot, any wrong shot should be an instant lynch for him.

[degaston]

What would paralyze have done?

Just a wild gess, but maybe it wood have stopped him frum posting. I'm orso going too gess dat teh "woond" setting stops its target frum performing eny ackshuns there roll mite grant dem.

Ragian already answered the part about wounding:

Obviously, wounding wouldn't wesult in killing as the thiwd option would have been wedundant then. By wounding mitch, you jailed him.

But there's no reason for you to speculate about what it did, is there? He can answer it for himself.

I'm assuming dat, if he knew, he wood have told us awreddy.

He made the damn thing. He'd better know what it was supposed to do.

I know your trying to contribute, but my questions here are just about facts, so adding your speculation just confuses the issue, and makes it more difficult for everyone else to follow.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

anyone not willing to lynch wing today, needs to be aware of who he might shoot, and should be concerned. He really only has a few options on who to shoot, any wrong shot should be an instant lynch for him.

And any wrong lynch should be an insta lynch on you.

I'm not giving out my targets.

What are you playing at? This is stupid.

@Aladdin - The number of times you have claimed not have enough time to respond to a question, and then just spammed us about other things is getting ridiculous.

[AladdinSane]

@Aladdin - The number of times you have claimed not have enough time to respond to a question, and then just spammed us about other things is getting ridiculous.

I dident say I dident have enuff time, I sed I wanted to tink it thru. You know, ponder.

[AladdinSane]

revive was one time use. If i can protect, i wouldn't be protecting you. Your death would answer lots of questions, it would potentially prove your role.

Very good point. Yer deth wood anser lots of kwestjuns to, and wood prove yer roll. Wots good fer teh goose is good fer the gander. If yer revival power is finished, you become less useful to Town too - and yer seem unsure you stil have yer allejed pertecktive roll, so even if yer Town, yer prob just VT-equivalent, like IB claims to be. Dat makes me moor valuble then you - if Marashu is reely still a cop.

An if you Do still have yer pertective power, by refusing to pertect me, yer prob sentensing me to deth, and it was on ackount of yer massclaim dat my roll was eggsposed. So, tanks fer nuthin.

If wear goin to decide who lives and who dies on teh basis of getherin informashun, yer deth woodent be a bad place to start.

Also, since you believe marashu to not be cop, you are not actually helping any current cops.

But if YOU really beleeve Marashu is a cop, you need me alive, so you shood pertect me.

And who else am I goin to vote fer? If Wing is lincher, a vote is wasted on him. If he is other scum, yeah I cood get wit dat. Not shore witch of these he is, but I cood def be perswayded to vote fer him - woodent take mutch, ackshually.

DJP, yeah maybe - sum days he looks scummy to me, but I just reread orl his posts, and I'm geting less of a scum vibe frum him now, despite his suspishun dat you and me and Wing are in leegue. He's playing very similar to how he played in teh Beginer game, and he was Town their.

As I've sed before, if teh dedline looms close and we need to get Wing or DJP over the line, I'll help)

Tink I'll reinstate my vote, fer now. Was prob a bit hasty withdroring it erlier. Maybe peepul returning after teh weekend can coment on wot I've sed. VOTE STORR

re: Post restrickshun - Ackshually, it's becuming natchural fer me to spel like dis now. IRL, I have to continully stop myself frum doing it. It's a bitch.

[AladdinSane]

He made the damn thing. He'd better know what it was supposed to do.

Well, he hasent been very forthcoming about it so far, has he? Wot does it matter wot teh "paralize" setting wood have dun anyway? How is knowing dat going to move tings forward? Looks like a line of enkwiry desined to genarate noise rather than identify scum.

I know your trying to contribute, but my questions here are just about facts, so adding your speculation just confuses the issue, and makes it more difficult for everyone else to follow.

Teh condescending tone and imperative manner of sum playas - Storr, IB, and yerself been teh usual suspecks - got old a long time ago. Don't like my posts? Don't funken reed dem. I'll spekulate eny goddam time I want to.

[madmitch]

Mitch, did you get any information about what I did to you, or what its effect was?

The only info I received was about the apple