[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

If CM is a cult recruiter and the PR is a outward sign of recruitment, then your win condition would have changed upon recruitment to winning when the cult outnumbers town.

But a cult wit sutch an obvius "tell" wood be ludicrusly eesy to wipe out, wunce deteckted. And it wood be luicrusly eesy to deteckt, becorse their wood be sumwun wit a mispeling PR appeering evry day. It wood be a cult doomed to fail.

A cult in this size of a game would be overpowered due to how quickly they can grow to be unstoppable. For the same reason it makes a lot of sense that IB knew about Hotshot.

As I said, cults cannot be allowed to grow.

As I was wrong about Benga's mispelling, it is less clear that the PR is linked to a cult.

@Storr - I'm quite impressed by my ability to attract votes without anyone actually calling me scum.

[Ragian]

So, wing. Do you think I've been acting scummily? Do you think I was lying about my PR? To what end?

If CM is a cult recruiter and the PR is a outward sign of recruitment, then your win condition would have changed upon recruitment to winning when the cult outnumbers town. It would not be in your interest (or Aladdins) to acknowledge the existance of a cult. There is little sign that Mafia have multiple killing powers which suggests a cult in the game. Cults are dangerous as they snowball very quickly into a large force. If there is any truth to this then CM needs to be lynched immediately.

Aladdin is really strongly protecting you.

This has nothing to do with the three way scum check I am in. Benga has corrected his spelling now and it doesnt look like anyone gained a PR last night, so not quite so concerning as I thought.

I believe that you started of as town. I dont believe that you have any reason to lie about anything except the existance of a cult (if it does exist).

I haven't lied about any existence of any cult, though. Do you think we should lynch me to prove that? Also, I don't think I should answer to what Aladdin does.

Ragian has orso coreckted his speling. But I gess it was werth seeing if it wood fly. Eny port in a storm, eh?

Have PM'ed the mods about this. I figured it would go away. I mean, wouldn't you fix a broken tooth? I'll let you know, guys.

@storr, I'm not voting Wing, but I can contribute. His recent posts come off as attempting to discredit me. I may be wrong, though. To me, deg is handling the pressure better than wing seems to. That's why I'm leaning wing, but I am in no rush.

FP'ed by wing

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I haven't lied about any existence of any cult, though. Do you think we should lynch me to prove that? Also, I don't think I should answer to what

No. That makes no sense. Lynch the recruiter not the recruitee.

[PLAYER57832]

Aladdin has been speaking for people this entire tame, it should be no surpize that he's attempted to explain my PR as well. In fact, I think he did a pretty good job summig up my role and I'm actually feeling better about his alignment.

Wing, I feel like you're grasping at straws for this one in an attempt to find some reazon to linch me. You keep trying to tie together anyone who shows signes of misspelling in their posts. No matter what explahnations people have for the errors. As already dizzcussed, I had nothing to do with the apples or with the on e that broke Ragian's tooth.

As for Benga, I chaulked it up to it being unlikely that English is his first language. His posts have contained errors since this game started, you're just now using them in an attempt to discredit me.

Vote WingCmdr Ginkapo

[PLAYER57832]

Aladdin has been speaking for people this entire tame, it should be no surpize that he's attempted to explain my PR as well. In fact, I think he did a pretty good job summig up my role and I'm actually feeling better about his alignment.

Wing, I feel like you're grasping at straws for this one in an attempt to find some reazon to linch me. You keep trying to tie together anyone who shows signes of misspelling in their posts. No matter what explahnations people have for the errors. As already dizzcussed, I had nothing to do with the apples or with the on e that broke Ragian's tooth.

As for Benga, I chaulked it up to it being unlikely that English is his first language. His posts have contained errors since this game started, you're just now using them in an attempt to discredit me.

Vote WingCmdr Ginkapo

Wing is also trying to lynch me.

For anyone not sure.. I have said before I am vanilla townie, but just think about the chances of Streaker, et al assigning a special role to a rank newbie in a game that is already skewed. That alone should speak for the truth of my alignment.

I am not the only one Wing is gunning for, either. And... yeah, those he is bandwagoning have not been anti-town roles, for the most part.

[degaston]

For anyone not sure.. I have said before I am vanilla townie, but just think about the chances of Streaker, et al assigning a special role to a rank newbie in a game that is already skewed. That alone should speak for the truth of my alignment

Assignments should be random, so your experience cannot be used as an indicator of your possible role.

[AladdinSane]

Those voting wing, are you reading deg town? If so why ? If not, why wing over deg

Wot is teh case aginst Deg, eggsackly? You need to prezent a positive case aginst him, not just "I twust Wing and Rish, so it must be Deg".

And why have you flipped frum pushing Wing is SK on D3/N3 to defending him so hard on D4? If he is SK he cood have targeted a bullettproof Benga. You havent dun enuf to say why dat coodent have happened, and neither has Wing. It's 3am hear, so putting together dat case will have to wait fer tomorow. Feel free to respond to my erlier post on teh subject in teh meentime.

Wing
N1: Jailed by Rish
N2: Jailed by Rish
N3: Shoots bullettproof Benga???

I'm not saying dis is wot hapened - I'm just wundering why yore so keen to deny teh posibility. It's like wit Marashu. You just want to deny teh posibility of him reviving anti-Town, wen it cleerly IS a posibility. A well-documented wun, too (MafiaScum). And don't give us dis "But dis is CC" BS - Wear do you tink Mods get their roll idees frum? Anser: dey don't make dem up, fer teh most part; Dey get dem frum sites like MafiaScum and maybe tweek dem a bit.

Enyways, give me a solid case aginst either of teh other two - Deg or Rish - and I'll switch my vote.

FPed Player, Deg

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Bulletproof only works once usually, so what happened to mafia kill? Yup, your case doesnt work.

I've worked it out, I know whats bugged me abotu Deg.

@Deg, In Harry Potter game you very ingeniously studied the voting patterns to determine who was mafia and helped town a great deal by securing a positive mafia cop check very early in the game. This strikes me as the actions of a player who tries really hard for their faction. So the question is, what have you been doing this game to help town?

Absolutely nothing, because your mafia.

Case closed. Meta breaks all.

[Ragian]

I haven't lied about any existence of any cult, though. Do you think we should lynch me to prove that? Also, I don't think I should answer to what

No. That makes no sense. Lynch the recruiter not the recruitee.

Are you saying that I'm a recrutee?

[AladdinSane]

Bulletproof only works once usually, so what happened to mafia kill? Yup, your case doesnt work.

Wait, why isent is posibul dat Rish jailed teh intended Mafia target? He says he tinks he saved a Town.

Rishaed, do you think you saved a town or blocked a mafia?

I most likely saved a town.

So, Mafia kill blokked by Rish + your kill foiled by Benga's bullettproof = Zero kills N4.

It's a posibility, rite?

Dat just came across as trying to close me down way too fast.

[StorrZerg]

Rish who did you jail?

[StorrZerg]

I think you jailed me... every claimed role seems to have used their power. And I don't think benga, he shouldn't get items while jailed. Anyone else doesn't make sense as a town jail

[StorrZerg]

Or wing...

[StorrZerg]

I'll give player a light town read for stupid reasons

[StorrZerg]

Twr, what's up, thoughts on marashu now that he town checked you? How Bout wing vs deg?

[the white rose]

Twr, what's up, thoughts on marashu now that he town checked you? How Bout wing vs deg?

yes indeed, that did confuse me a bit.

but here's a thing. you both know that i am gunning for you, accusing you of being godfather recruiting mars from the dead.

what better way to convince me that you are both town than by mars clearing me with a cop check?

I suspect that is exactly what has happened,

the only thing that might convince me is that if mars fingered scum,,,,,which he has failed to do.

Mars cannot have access to dead chat where mafia may be revealed and then come back as town.....only the mafia know who mafia is, mars would have gained this information from dead chat so in all likliehood is now your scum buddy, and by clearing me, hopes to get me off both your backs.

[StorrZerg]

What about wing vs deg.

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Sorry, RL is taking up too much of my real life. Bad cold or flu or some crap going around school too.

So the one night Wing doesn't kill ends up with no kill. That does seem odd. Maybe the Jailkeeps were being interfered with somehow? I still think that IB is a cult recruiter, which might suggest this is a 'kill-less' game. Right now I'm thinking that maybe the second cult might be called "Mafia" to screw with us. Even as I am I know that sounds crazy, but it's no less Bastardy than calling the first cult "Third Party". And it would explain why third party comes up as anti-town in this game. If this is the case, wing was probably a recruit, so we'll probably see from this round whether or not we ought to turn our attention to IB.

Bleh, I need more sleep before committing to a vote.

[degaston]

I've worked it out, I know whats bugged me abotu Deg.

@Deg, In Harry Potter game you very ingeniously studied the voting patterns to determine who was mafia and helped town a great deal by securing a positive mafia cop check very early in the game. This strikes me as the actions of a player who tries really hard for their faction. So the question is, what have you been doing this game to help town?

Absolutely nothing, because your mafia.

Case closed. Meta breaks all.

So I'm scum because I was more helpful to town as a cop than as a VT? That's some mighty fine police work there, Wing. Too bad you didn't use those detective skills to help save Falko. Voting patterns turned out to be useful to me for determining who to investigate, but I'm never going to be able to build a case based on them alone.

Speaking of Meta, I have considered that Ragian might have sent me the suicide gun as revenge for getting him lynched in HP, but that wouldn't indicate his alignment.

[rishaed]

Rish who did you jail?

I actually wasn't sure if you had a double doc again last night so I jailed IB last night (its why I asked you who you doc'd at start of day). As semi confirmed town with no powers, and a decent head on his shoulders I thought he might be a target last night.

[Iron Butterfly]

Sorry, RL is taking up too much of my real life. Bad cold or flu or some crap going around school too.

So the one night Wing doesn't kill ends up with no kill. That does seem odd. Maybe the Jailkeeps were being interfered with somehow? I still think that IB is a cult recruiter, which might suggest this is a 'kill-less' game. Right now I'm thinking that maybe the second cult might be called "Mafia" to screw with us. Even as I am I know that sounds crazy, but it's no less Bastardy than calling the first cult "Third Party". And it would explain why third party comes up as anti-town in this game. If this is the case, wing was probably a recruit, so we'll probably see from this round whether or not we ought to turn our attention to IB.

Bleh, I need more sleep before committing to a vote.

You sir are full of poop. Bad cold and flu has nothing to do with reading or making a post from time to time. You said the same last post. We ALL have real lives outside the game. Once again you offer nothing. Get your snuggle blankie and a good nights rest.I look forward to your post next month.

One more thing, you wasted your vote on me last time and disappeared. There was no chance in hell I was to be lynched AND you failed to vote Sausage.

I will agree something is not right about the kills at night. With 18 players what are the odds the right players were saved or prevented from killing? Slim to fucking none.

[Iron Butterfly]

Rish who did you jail?

I actually wasn't sure if you had a double doc again last night so I jailed IB last night (its why I asked you who you doc'd at start of day). As semi confirmed town with no powers, and a decent head on his shoulders I thought he might be a target last night.

Yeh protect the VT with no powers. Smart.

[rizky_biznezz]

the 3 names from the gift.. well honestly im not sure what to do with those yet but first thoughts.. assuming they are real results.. if wing is town and we lynch the wrong one of the other 2 well wing could possibly take out the other one for us.. if wing is scum well he wont kill the other one because if they flip town he will be lynched the next day anyway.. but not sure out of the other 2 who i find more scummy and not sure if its worth taking the chance...

im not really sure what lsu's latest invention does so guess i will wait for bengas results before i dig deeper into the inventors cases... rages inventions seem to work and do as they say.. it is possible benga was the target for the kill seeing as they knew he had an invention but was saved by his bulletproof gift... although in this crazy game its also possible that benga and rage are a scum pair so that doesnt count for much lol..

[Ragian]

Twr, what's up, thoughts on marashu now that he town checked you? How Bout wing vs deg?

yes indeed, that did confuse me a bit.

but here's a thing. you both know that i am gunning for you, accusing you of being godfather recruiting mars from the dead.

what better way to convince me that you are both town than by mars clearing me with a cop check?

I suspect that is exactly what has happened,

the only thing that might convince me is that if mars fingered scum,,,,,which he has failed to do.

Mars cannot have access to dead chat where mafia may be revealed and then come back as town.....only the mafia know who mafia is, mars would have gained this information from dead chat so in all likliehood is now your scum buddy, and by clearing me, hopes to get me off both your backs.

Speaking of Meta, I have considered that Ragian might have sent me the suicide gun as revenge for getting him lynched in HP, but that wouldn't indicate his alignment.

I won that game. How did your alignment fare?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I've worked it out, I know whats bugged me abotu Deg.

@Deg, In Harry Potter game you very ingeniously studied the voting patterns to determine who was mafia and helped town a great deal by securing a positive mafia cop check very early in the game. This strikes me as the actions of a player who tries really hard for their faction. So the question is, what have you been doing this game to help town?

Absolutely nothing, because your mafia.

Case closed. Meta breaks all.

So I'm scum because I was more helpful to town as a cop than as a VT? That's some mighty fine police work there, Wing. Too bad you didn't use those detective skills to help save Falko. Voting patterns turned out to be useful to me for determining who to investigate, but I'm never going to be able to build a case based on them alone.

Speaking of Meta, I have considered that Ragian might have sent me the suicide gun as revenge for getting him lynched in HP, but that wouldn't indicate his alignment.

So no tricks up your sleeve, no working hard to help town win. You are the opposite to Aladdin, you keep your notes to yourself, however you just admitted to having none.