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Re: Elie Wiesel (1928-2016)

Postby notyou2 on Mon Jul 04, 2016 6:43 pm

Symmetry wrote:
notyou2 wrote:Telling someone to "get a clue"is calling them clueless, no mater which way you slice it or dice it.

You still haven't answered my question.


Not really the same thing though is it? You've been posting about how you don't know who Elie Wiesel is, or what he wrote about.

Read Night- you'll get a clue about who he was and what he stood for.

It's not a long book, but it's powerful. I think reading it will answer many of your questions, if you're open to giving it a try.


I will read it, but you still haven't answered the question.
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Re: Elie Wiesel (1928-2016)

Postby Symmetry on Mon Jul 04, 2016 6:55 pm

notyou2 wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
notyou2 wrote:Telling someone to "get a clue"is calling them clueless, no mater which way you slice it or dice it.

You still haven't answered my question.


Not really the same thing though is it? You've been posting about how you don't know who Elie Wiesel is, or what he wrote about.

Read Night- you'll get a clue about who he was and what he stood for.

It's not a long book, but it's powerful. I think reading it will answer many of your questions, if you're open to giving it a try.


I will read it, but you still haven't answered the question.


I'm glad you'll read it, I think it will answer a lot of questions, and probably raise a few too.

I don't really know what question you want me to answer though. I think the key one for Elie Wiesel was "why?", and that has no satisfactory answer, just another question-"what follows?".
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Re: Elie Wiesel (1928-2016)

Postby DoomYoshi on Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:30 pm

Symmetry wrote:
notyou2 wrote:Telling someone to "get a clue"is calling them clueless, no mater which way you slice it or dice it.

You still haven't answered my question.


Not really the same thing though is it? You've been posting about how you don't know who Elie Wiesel is, or what he wrote about.


Stop talking past each other. The question "Who's Dead" obviously refers to the dead people in the quote in the OP. Now, unless you quoted Elie Wiesel talking about remembering his dead self like some Timothy Leary experiment, you obviously haven't answered the question.

In other words, when people see "the dead", some of us aren't totally brainwashed by the New York Jewry to automatically assume some minor historical skirmish with a few incidental civilian casualties.

In the strictest sense of reality, the Holocaust never happened. There were 12 million Jews on the planet before, there are still 12 million Jews on the planet. Numbers don't lie and so I don't see what the big deal is either I guess.
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Re: Elie Wiesel (1928-2016)

Postby Symmetry on Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:38 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
notyou2 wrote:Telling someone to "get a clue"is calling them clueless, no mater which way you slice it or dice it.

You still haven't answered my question.


Not really the same thing though is it? You've been posting about how you don't know who Elie Wiesel is, or what he wrote about.


Stop talking past each other. The question "Who's Dead" obviously refers to the dead people in the quote in the OP. Now, unless you quoted Elie Wiesel talking about remembering his dead self like some Timothy Leary experiment, you obviously haven't answered the question.

In other words, when people see "the dead", some of us aren't totally brainwashed by the New York Jewry to automatically assume some minor historical skirmish with a few incidental civilian casualties.

In the strictest sense of reality, the Holocaust never happened. There were 12 million Jews on the planet before, there are still 12 million Jews on the planet. Numbers don't lie and so I don't see what the big deal is either I guess.


Wow. Did not see that one coming. Are you nuts? I can't even believe that you're arguing that the Holocaust didn't happen.

What can I even say to that?
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Re: Elie Wiesel (1928-2016)

Postby Bernie Sanders on Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:45 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
notyou2 wrote:Telling someone to "get a clue"is calling them clueless, no mater which way you slice it or dice it.

You still haven't answered my question.


Not really the same thing though is it? You've been posting about how you don't know who Elie Wiesel is, or what he wrote about.


Stop talking past each other. The question "Who's Dead" obviously refers to the dead people in the quote in the OP. Now, unless you quoted Elie Wiesel talking about remembering his dead self like some Timothy Leary experiment, you obviously haven't answered the question.

In other words, when people see "the dead", some of us aren't totally brainwashed by the New York Jewry to automatically assume some minor historical skirmish with a few incidental civilian casualties.

In the strictest sense of reality, the Holocaust never happened. There were 12 million Jews on the planet before, there are still 12 million Jews on the planet. Numbers don't lie and so I don't see what the big deal is either I guess.

WTF?!?!?!

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Re: Elie Wiesel (1928-2016)

Postby riskllama on Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:51 pm

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Re: Elie Wiesel (1928-2016)

Postby notyou2 on Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:10 pm

Symmetry wrote:Image


OK sym, I'll spell it out for you. DY is right. I was referring to the image above.

Who's dead are we to remember?

Nazi dead?
Jewish dead?
American Indian dead?

My point is that Israel has forgotten this important lesson. They are doing to the Palestinians what the Nazis did to them. They are taking their lands and possessions, seizing their homes, forcibly evicting them and placing them in ghettos created by the Jews.

I am certain Elie wants you to remember the Jewish dead of the holocaust. Who is remembering the Palestinian dead??????

I have no time for people that don't practice what they preach. Hypocrites they are.
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Re: Elie Wiesel (1928-2016)

Postby Symmetry on Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:29 pm

notyou2 wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Image


OK sym, I'll spell it out for you. DY is right. I was referring to the image above.

Who's dead are we to remember?

Nazi dead?
Jewish dead?
American Indian dead?

My point is that Israel has forgotten this important lesson. They are doing to the Palestinians what the Nazis did to them. They are taking their lands and possessions, seizing their homes, forcibly evicting them and placing them in ghettos created by the Jews.

I am certain Elie wants you to remember the Jewish dead of the holocaust. Who is remembering the Palestinian dead??????

I have no time for people that don't practice what they preach. Hypocrites they are.


I'm not sure you really want to be jumping on the whole "DY is right" cart at the moment dude.

Did you read what he wrote? I think you and I have had a decent discussion here, and I genuinely hope that you read Night and that it helps you understand what Elie Wiesel was talking about.

DY is clueless, you have a clue. Use it.
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Re: Elie Wiesel (1928-2016)

Postby notyou2 on Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:34 pm

Symmetry wrote:
notyou2 wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Image


OK sym, I'll spell it out for you. DY is right. I was referring to the image above.

Who's dead are we to remember?

Nazi dead?
Jewish dead?
American Indian dead?

My point is that Israel has forgotten this important lesson. They are doing to the Palestinians what the Nazis did to them. They are taking their lands and possessions, seizing their homes, forcibly evicting them and placing them in ghettos created by the Jews.

I am certain Elie wants you to remember the Jewish dead of the holocaust. Who is remembering the Palestinian dead??????

I have no time for people that don't practice what they preach. Hypocrites they are.


I'm not sure you really want to be jumping on the whole "DY is right" cart at the moment dude.

Did you read what he wrote? I think you and I have had a decent discussion here, and I genuinely hope that you read Night and that it helps you understand what Elie Wiesel was talking about.

DY is clueless, you have a clue. Use it.


Holy fuck Sym. I said he was right about what I was talking about, IE: remember who's dead. I never said I agreed with all that he wrote. Man you are delusional.
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Re: Elie Wiesel (1928-2016)

Postby notyou2 on Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:35 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
notyou2 wrote:Telling someone to "get a clue"is calling them clueless, no mater which way you slice it or dice it.

You still haven't answered my question.


Not really the same thing though is it? You've been posting about how you don't know who Elie Wiesel is, or what he wrote about.


Stop talking past each other. The question "Who's Dead" obviously refers to the dead people in the quote in the OP. Now, unless you quoted Elie Wiesel talking about remembering his dead self like some Timothy Leary experiment, you obviously haven't answered the question.

In other words, when people see "the dead", some of us aren't totally brainwashed by the New York Jewry to automatically assume some minor historical skirmish with a few incidental civilian casualties.

In the strictest sense of reality, the Holocaust never happened. There were 12 million Jews on the planet before, there are still 12 million Jews on the planet. Numbers don't lie and so I don't see what the big deal is either I guess.
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Re: Elie Wiesel (1928-2016)

Postby notyou2 on Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:37 pm

And...............................you still haven't answered the question.
















Are you on drugs?
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Re: Elie Wiesel (1928-2016)

Postby Symmetry on Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:55 pm

Triple post? Really?

I've told you that reading Night will answer your question. That's my reply. It's not the answer you were looking for, perhaps, but it's better than anything you'll get from DY.

I'm not sure how else I can answer this- read Night and you'll find out the answers

Don't go the DY route.
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Re: Elie Wiesel (1928-2016)

Postby mrswdk on Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:48 am

ny2, learn 2 grammar. Who's = who is, whose = possessive.

DY wins with his last post.
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Re: Elie Wiesel (1928-2016)

Postby Symmetry on Tue Jul 05, 2016 2:20 am

mrswdk wrote:ny2, learn 2 grammar. Who's = who is, whose = possessive.

DY wins with his last post.


DoomYoshi wrote: In the strictest sense of reality, the Holocaust never happened. There were 12 million Jews on the planet before, there are still 12 million Jews on the planet. Numbers don't lie and so I don't see what the big deal is either I guess.


Take a good look at what you think is a winning post. You might find that you're on the wrong side.
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Re: Elie Wiesel (1928-2016)

Postby mrswdk on Tue Jul 05, 2016 3:13 am

That is exactly the part of his post that makes it a thread winning post.
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Re: Elie Wiesel (1928-2016)

Postby macbone on Tue Jul 05, 2016 3:59 am

At an intimate gathering held after an annual lecture by Elie Wiesel at Boston University Monday night, students sought the Nobel Peace Prize laureate and Holocaust survivor’s insight on the violence that erupted last week in the Gaza Strip, the latest development in the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Wiesel presents a trio of lectures every fall semester at Boston University, where he holds the title of Andrew W. Mellon Professor in the Humanities. While the first two lectures explore ancient religious texts, the third lecture is reserved for a discussion of modern-day topics and Wiesel’s latest literary works. This year, the third lecture featured excerpts from Wiesel’s novel Hostage, which touches upon the topics of terrorism and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and his upcoming memoir, Open Heart, written following his quintuple bypass surgery last year.

While Wiesel did not address the recently erupted violence in Gaza in his lecture, held at a ballroom set up for 2,000 people and filled almost to capacity, the issue was repeatedly brought up at an intimate gathering in a small conference room at Hillel House, the university’s center for Jewish life on campus.

“It’s the beginning. We must be very careful with beginnings,” Wiesel said when asked by a student for a suggestion on how to bring about peace between the Israelis and Palestinians.

Wiesel stressed that peace negotiations begin at an individual level and can then be applied to whole communities.

“We must believe that we are not here to make anyone else suffer. Even if I have problems with myself, that should not be your fault and not your responsibility. I must respect the humanity of the human being, whoever that is,” he said. “They should begin with that and say, ‘Although we believe differently and have different objectives or ideas, I have to respect your freedom. I have to respect what you are and who you are. I am not God’s policeman on Earth. I must work on myself, but I have no right to do that to you. It’s your life and I must respect it.’”

Although he encouraged peace negotiations, Wiesel also expressed a view that Israel’s attacks on Palestinian-controlled Gaza are justified.

“I’m against this kind of terrorism. Whatever is happening now is not because of the Palestinians in general. It’s because of Hamas,” Wiesel said. “Israel has no choice in that case. What can they do? If Hamas is sending rockets to destroy Jewish homes, Israel must respond to stop it.”

Like Wiesel, President Obama has expressed support for Israel’s right to defend itself against Hamas-fired rockets — a move that has been widely criticized by officials in Turkey and Egypt.

Wiesel himself has previously been criticized for favoring Israel’s claim to the holy city of Jerusalem over Palestine’s. Last night, however, he expressed a hope for the resolution of the broader Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

“It cannot go on,” he said emphatically. “It’s good for everybody — both Palestinians and Israelis — to have some peace at last and not be worried about rockets being fired at them and destroying their homes. It has to stop and because it has to stop, it will.”

When pressed again by a student for a suggestion for peace negotiations, Wiesel advised the audience, and humanity as a whole, to heighten their sensitivity to others.

“I think that is the greatest danger, ignorance, which leads to indifference and therefore to detachment. On a personal level again, if somebody suffers and I don’t do anything to diminish his or her suffering, something is wrong with me. Nothing is worse than insensitivity,” he said. “People always ask me what I want my students or readers to take away from me. It’s to think higher and feel deeper. That is the motto always, in whatever you do. Think higher and feel deeper.”


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Re: Elie Wiesel (1928-2016)

Postby mrswdk on Tue Jul 05, 2016 4:20 am

Of course he's a hypocrite. It is in his own self-interest to oppose Nazism, and it is in his own self-interest to support Zionism. In order to take both of these stances at the same time he is going to have to put about moral arguments for his stances which directly contradict each other. But that's by-the-by: his 'moral' arguments make it harder for critics to oppose him, easier for him to gather support, and help him maintain momentum.

The only people who aren't hypocrites are the ones who admit that all that drives them is their own self interest, and the fanatics like Mets who have bought into the moral paradigm so hard that they want to marry pigs. But those people tend not to win many converts to their cause, because the former group are perceived to be untrustworthy and the latter group are perceived to be cuckoo.

tl;dr don't go to a party at Mets' house
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Re: Elie Wiesel (1928-2016)

Postby DoomYoshi on Tue Jul 05, 2016 4:27 am

mrswdk wrote:The only people who aren't hypocrites are the ones who admit that all that drives them is their own self interest,


Following self-interest to its logical conclusion makes no sense. From a physical perspective, all experiences are fleeting and all possessions will be lost so there is no point to either. From a biological perspective, it is impossible to know if your family line will be continued or not so even if you have dozens of offspring they could all die in the next generation or in 20 generations, so there is no point to this either.

So what is "Self-interest" - going after things which are not in your self-interest at all. It's a logical black hole.
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Re: Elie Wiesel (1928-2016)

Postby mrswdk on Tue Jul 05, 2016 4:45 am

DoomYoshi wrote:
mrswdk wrote:The only people who aren't hypocrites are the ones who admit that all that drives them is their own self interest,


Following self-interest to its logical conclusion makes no sense. From a physical perspective, all experiences are fleeting and all possessions will be lost so there is no point to either. From a biological perspective, it is impossible to know if your family line will be continued or not so even if you have dozens of offspring they could all die in the next generation or in 20 generations, so there is no point to this either.

So what is "Self-interest" - going after things which are not in your self-interest at all. It's a logical black hole.


Pursuing my own enjoyment makes logical sense. I would rather enjoy my life than not enjoy it.

I don't care about offspring or my family tree. On the balance I'd probably rather not have kids.
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Re: Elie Wiesel (1928-2016)

Postby DoomYoshi on Tue Jul 05, 2016 5:12 pm

Enjoyment comes in the form of larger and larger doses of heroin until you overdose. I agree that makes logical sense. Thanks for clarifying :|
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Re: Elie Wiesel (1928-2016)

Postby notyou2 on Tue Jul 05, 2016 5:24 pm

macbone wrote:
At an intimate gathering held after an annual lecture by Elie Wiesel at Boston University Monday night, students sought the Nobel Peace Prize laureate and Holocaust survivor’s insight on the violence that erupted last week in the Gaza Strip, the latest development in the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Wiesel presents a trio of lectures every fall semester at Boston University, where he holds the title of Andrew W. Mellon Professor in the Humanities. While the first two lectures explore ancient religious texts, the third lecture is reserved for a discussion of modern-day topics and Wiesel’s latest literary works. This year, the third lecture featured excerpts from Wiesel’s novel Hostage, which touches upon the topics of terrorism and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and his upcoming memoir, Open Heart, written following his quintuple bypass surgery last year.

While Wiesel did not address the recently erupted violence in Gaza in his lecture, held at a ballroom set up for 2,000 people and filled almost to capacity, the issue was repeatedly brought up at an intimate gathering in a small conference room at Hillel House, the university’s center for Jewish life on campus.

“It’s the beginning. We must be very careful with beginnings,” Wiesel said when asked by a student for a suggestion on how to bring about peace between the Israelis and Palestinians.

Wiesel stressed that peace negotiations begin at an individual level and can then be applied to whole communities.

“We must believe that we are not here to make anyone else suffer. Even if I have problems with myself, that should not be your fault and not your responsibility. I must respect the humanity of the human being, whoever that is,” he said. “They should begin with that and say, ‘Although we believe differently and have different objectives or ideas, I have to respect your freedom. I have to respect what you are and who you are. I am not God’s policeman on Earth. I must work on myself, but I have no right to do that to you. It’s your life and I must respect it.’”

Although he encouraged peace negotiations, Wiesel also expressed a view that Israel’s attacks on Palestinian-controlled Gaza are justified.

“I’m against this kind of terrorism. Whatever is happening now is not because of the Palestinians in general. It’s because of Hamas,” Wiesel said. “Israel has no choice in that case. What can they do? If Hamas is sending rockets to destroy Jewish homes, Israel must respond to stop it.”

Like Wiesel, President Obama has expressed support for Israel’s right to defend itself against Hamas-fired rockets — a move that has been widely criticized by officials in Turkey and Egypt.

Wiesel himself has previously been criticized for favoring Israel’s claim to the holy city of Jerusalem over Palestine’s. Last night, however, he expressed a hope for the resolution of the broader Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

“It cannot go on,” he said emphatically. “It’s good for everybody — both Palestinians and Israelis — to have some peace at last and not be worried about rockets being fired at them and destroying their homes. It has to stop and because it has to stop, it will.”

When pressed again by a student for a suggestion for peace negotiations, Wiesel advised the audience, and humanity as a whole, to heighten their sensitivity to others.

“I think that is the greatest danger, ignorance, which leads to indifference and therefore to detachment. On a personal level again, if somebody suffers and I don’t do anything to diminish his or her suffering, something is wrong with me. Nothing is worse than insensitivity,” he said. “People always ask me what I want my students or readers to take away from me. It’s to think higher and feel deeper. That is the motto always, in whatever you do. Think higher and feel deeper.”


http://college.usatoday.com/2012/11/20/ ... -violence/


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Re: Elie Wiesel (1928-2016)

Postby notyou2 on Tue Jul 05, 2016 5:27 pm

Symmetry wrote:
mrswdk wrote:ny2, learn 2 grammar. Who's = who is, whose = possessive.

DY wins with his last post.


DoomYoshi wrote: In the strictest sense of reality, the Holocaust never happened. There were 12 million Jews on the planet before, there are still 12 million Jews on the planet. Numbers don't lie and so I don't see what the big deal is either I guess.


Take a good look at what you think is a winning post. You might find that you're on the wrong side.


Do you not understand what DY is saying? He is comparing the amount of pre-WWII Jews to the quantity of Jews today and lo and behold they are the same amount. It's a trick to get you going. Success.
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Re: Elie Wiesel (1928-2016)

Postby mrswdk on Tue Jul 05, 2016 5:33 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:Enjoyment comes in the form of larger and larger doses of heroin until you overdose. I agree that makes logical sense. Thanks for clarifying :|


If a heroin OD is what you desire than that's your choice.
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Re: Elie Wiesel (1928-2016)

Postby notyou2 on Tue Jul 05, 2016 5:37 pm

mrswdk wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:Enjoyment comes in the form of larger and larger doses of heroin until you overdose. I agree that makes logical sense. Thanks for clarifying :|


If a heroin OD is what you desire than that's your choice.


Lrn 2 grammar. Then not than.
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Re: Elie Wiesel (1928-2016)

Postby mrswdk on Tue Jul 05, 2016 5:41 pm

notyou2 wrote:
mrswdk wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:Enjoyment comes in the form of larger and larger doses of heroin until you overdose. I agree that makes logical sense. Thanks for clarifying :|


If a heroin OD is what you desire than that's your choice.


Lrn 2 grammar. Then not than.


Glad you got to scratch that itch.
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