PKMN Beach Mafia: Cult Wins

[BuJaber]

Sure, this looks moderate, but mandy was one of his top scumpicks (apparently dakky was his #2, and he's townreading dakky right now), so it strikes me as odd that he doesn't want to apply pressure to someone he's leaning scum on. Could be scumbuddies, I'm not sure yet. I'm also not terribly fond of how mandy's wagon has suddenly started picking up steam. Anyway, BuJ is trying to play it safe this game, in my opinion, and I'm not liking it.

Maybe I'm tunneling on BuJ. I can look things over again on Tuesday, assuming there's been no lynch by then, but right now I'm keeping my vote where it is.

That's because other people have started to focus on Mandy and I didn't want to vote until he and some others responded to the new posts. As for dakky I just felt that someone who is reading me that terribly must be someone who has no clue who's who and is trying his hardest to scum hunt. To me that equals a town read; call it a feeling... but his tone in his posts is that of someone who isn't worried about being caught red-handed and is someone who wants to contribute. I know how it feels when you're convinced about someone.. and he hasn't changed his mind about me yet. Even though there's barely any evidence. Why would scum do that? If I'm wrong.. we'll know eventually. People tend to reveal more as the days go on.

Playing safe? You're damn right I am. I don't want to build a bandwagon on mandy before hearing some other responses mainly his. All I had against him is a hypothetical. Also I have votes on me. I don't want to vote on someone just because they're not me, that's an emotional vote not a rational one. Mandy is too easy a target right now from my perspective. (Quote this and say it's proof I'm scum.. I just feel it coming)

I do like william's thoughts on mandy/mitch. It might be a good idea to vote for one of them and investigate the other ASAP if we have such a role.

So far the people that seem suspicious to me are mandy (+ mitch) and the others who aren't posting that much (aage, IB) . IB's initial posts seem like something town would post, but he can put on a good show.. so I'd be careful.

Hotshot.. so who DO you think might be scum?

[DoomYoshi]

Vote Count

Army of GOD (1) - rishaed
BuJaber (2) - dakky21, Marashu
william18 (1) - Hotshot53
madmitch (3) - william18, Iron Butterfly, Army of GOD
mandalorian2298 (3) - strike wolf, madmitch, TimWoodbury
strike wolf (2) - gregwolf121, aage

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch, or the most votes at deadline.

Deadline: August 10th

If day ended now, madmitch or mandy would be randomly lynched.

[mandalorian2298]

Itll be a long time until I give up this avie:

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... &start=325

As for reads, blah blah. Boring day 1. I may reread some but I don't count town reads as much of anything at this point and my scum reads are slim. I agree with Dakky and a few others that from what I remember, Mitch does post a lot as town though not necessarily with much content. I feel IB should be familiar enough with Mitch to know this. Newbie card or not. So slight FOS IB

Beyond that and I know I don't have much to go on here but my top scum pick right now would be Mandy. The reason. Mandy is a crazy insane player who will often pull out cases out of practically nothing. His case on Rishaed and by relation myself felt like one of these cases. Now Mandy is aware of his reputation for this and he's skilled enough as mafia to know how to fake it. What does seem off to me is how easily he let it go and brushed it off as day 1 baseless speculation.

I didn't "brush it off as day 1 baseless speculation", I acknowledged that aage's theory fully explains the facts without assuming that rish and you are in cahoots, so I unvoted due to the lack of evidence.
The reason why I usually don't abandon my cases that quickly is that they are usually not disproved, because I'm usually, you know, correct.

[mandalorian2298]

Also is it a bit suspiscious that although Mandy picks apart rishead for confusing two posters, he makes no mention of mitch's post at all? And how convenient that mitch votes for mandy, on the premise that his argument vs rishaed was nonesence, which has already been concluded to be a simple misunderstanding on both parties (aka safely distancing himself from mandy without putting mandy at risk by posing a valid argument).

It's possible that you have every right to be suspicious. "Possible" I say, because I don't know what it is in Mitch's posts that I should have noticed. While I have read his posts, it is my opinion that the Lord more often then not compels Mitch to post in tongues which is why I am unwilling to undertake the Lovecraftian task of deciphering his writings unless it is in service of blowing up a extinction-size asteroid hurling towards Earth or preventing a primordial evil from once again loosing it's power on the world.

[mandalorian2298]

Dakky's case on BuJaber looks interesting, especially the way that BuJaber soft-claimed Bomb/PGO. Also, BuJaber's initial suspicion over my attention to details is strange given that I have been observant of details in all the games that we have played togather (this is Mafia, details is all we have). Finally, there is his weird insisting on "2nd choice" votes which increases randomization which in turn, as Strike pointed out, only helps Mafia by making voters held less responsible for their votes and thus make voting patterns less relevant.

vote BuJaber

[BuJaber]

Had it not occurred to you that I may have a role where 2nd choices help me?

I actually saw the whole case on me happening even before I started posting. I knew I was gonna play in a certain way that's gonna arise suspicion.
I'm normally very talkative and I like to test out new strategies that probably won't work. Since I'm not as free to post as I usually am, on most days I can only check on this late at night. That's why I knew I would try to play a lot faster.Therefore I made a joke about how by posting I would be effectively "self-destructing" which happens to be one of graveller's abilties in the early pokemon gameboy games.
You guys couldn't have known what I meant; that's true. But I also didn't think my joke phase post would have such an impact on people's opinions.

However, it turns out I'm having to focus on defending myself because all of the townies have seemingly convinced themselves I'm scum. Or maybe not, maybe they're scum trying to paint a big red circle on my forehead. We'll see in the end.

BTW if yoshi gave one of you a personal objective of getting me lynched then I will declare this game a bastard one. Can't imagine why such an objective would exist here but it's been known to happen in some games.

This is the last defense I'm making. I don't want to waste time talking about myself more when there are 13 other players. Some of whom are dancing happily in the shadows right now not believing their luck. Y'all feel free to make your conclusions.

Yes, my personal objective + ability have influenced my posts. Yes, I only win with town. If I get lynched and then town loses also I will probably lose both objectives. I can't and won't reveal anything else to scum.

Vote mandy

mitch is my 2nd choice. FOS aage and IB.

[mandalorian2298]

Well done, BuJaber. The best way to prove your innocence is a revenge vote without ANY reasoning whatsoever with the added bonus of blatantly trying to bandwagon me since I have the most votes at the moment.

[dakky21]

Well done, BuJaber. The best way to prove your innocence is a revenge vote without ANY reasoning whatsoever with the added bonus of blatantly trying to bandwagon me since I have the most votes at the moment.

Interesting, I never seen less talk in games here. Practically only you and BuJaber talked in last 24h. It looks like others who didn't vote you are comfortable with your lynch. I don't like the silence...

[DoomYoshi]

I'll send out a massprod with tonight's vote count as we enter the last 48. I'm pretty lenient on the weekend.

[Army of GOD]

I originally disagreed with dakky's reasoning on BuJ, but man, that "you suck" vote he just pulled on mandy reeks. Like mandy said, there wasn't anything pertaining to an argument as to why mandy is scum, just BuJ defending himself. Very odd

I'm still keeping my vote on mitch though.

[Army of GOD]

also, as per the wagon on mandy, I don't really see the case. Nothing mandy posted screams scum to me yet.

[TimWoodbury]

looking at it after a day with BU's vote he jsut casted it looks like hes to a point trying to save mitch by putting mandy ahead of mitcch in votes, why would he be trying to save someone unless he knows the alignment??Vote BUJ

[DoomYoshi]

Vote Count

Army of GOD (1) - rishaed
BuJaber (4) - dakky21, Marashu, mandalorian2298,TimWoodbury
william18 (1) - Hotshot53
madmitch (3) - william18, Iron Butterfly, Army of GOD
mandalorian2298 (3) - strike wolf, madmitch, BuJaber
strike wolf (2) - gregwolf121, aage

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch, or the most votes at deadline.

Deadline: August 10th

If day ended now, BuJaber would be lynched.

8 players prodded

[madmitch]

Also is it a bit suspiscious that although Mandy picks apart rishead for confusing two posters, he makes no mention of mitch's post at all? And how convenient that mitch votes for mandy, on the premise that his argument vs rishaed was nonesence, which has already been concluded to be a simple misunderstanding on both parties (aka safely distancing himself from mandy without putting mandy at risk by posing a valid argument).

It's possible that you have every right to be suspicious. "Possible" I say, because I don't know what it is in Mitch's posts that I should have noticed. While I have read his posts, it is my opinion that the Lord more often then not compels Mitch to post in tongues which is why I am unwilling to undertake the Lovecraftian task of deciphering his writings unless it is in service of blowing up a extinction-size asteroid hurling towards Earth or preventing a primordial evil from once again loosing it's power on the world.

loved this post, in all respect Mandy live long and prosper UNVOTE

[madmitch]

@ BuJaber I thought you were town but now I am wondering since your statement about self-destructing, it sounds like you are threatening anyone who votes for you.are you saying that if you get hung that you will self-destruct,I think you might not be who you say you are, but how toyou prove that in this game? VOTE BUJABER

[HotShot53]

Hotshot.. so who DO you think might be scum?

As with most days 1's, I have no idea. I will unvote my joke vote though, forgot that was still out there.

Between BuJaber and Mandy... I can argue either side of either of their cases with a lot of WIFOM... BuJaber's OMGUS vote doesn't sit too good... but the rest of his posts seem more like an upset towny than a caught scum, at least to me. Mandy has been very calm and cool... could be someone knowing they are town, or scum knowing that the best way to avoid a lynch is to appear calm and cool.

Because the day is going to be over soon, and I'd rather not end the day with a lynch of someone who hasn't claimed yet, I'll vote BuJaber, which puts him at L-2. I know you don't want to talk more about yourself BuJaber, but it's time to claim so we can decide to lynch you or go somewhere else before the day ends soon. (The half claims and hinted at claims rub me the wrong way too)

[aage]

Had it not occurred to you that I may have a role where 2nd choices help me?

I actually saw the whole case on me happening even before I started posting. I knew I was gonna play in a certain way that's gonna arise suspicion.
I'm normally very talkative and I like to test out new strategies that probably won't work. Since I'm not as free to post as I usually am, on most days I can only check on this late at night. That's why I knew I would try to play a lot faster.Therefore I made a joke about how by posting I would be effectively "self-destructing" which happens to be one of graveller's abilties in the early pokemon gameboy games.

Not gonna guess at your role, it's day one. But considering these claims you're making here and in earlier posts it sounds like you're claiming vengeful town.

Also, the bold part........

This is the last defense I'm making. I don't want to waste time talking about myself more when there are 13 other players. Some of whom are dancing happily in the shadows right now not believing their luck. Y'all feel free to make your conclusions.

There were 3 votes on you at this point, and you admitted that you were gonna play in a way that would arouse suspicion. You're throwing in the towel awful quick for someone who's expecting to be in the hot seat.

Vote mandy

mitch is my 2nd choice. FOS aage and IB.

Reasoning? Are you doing this simply because Mandy and Mitch were tied with you at 3 votes each? Are you calling me and IB out for not posting during the weekend? I thought you just said you wanted to talk about the other 13 players, but here you're pointing fingers with no talk.

You're not really convincing me of your innocence here. Why shouldn't we lynch you?


For the record, I'm not comfortable at all with Tim and Mitch jumping on the wagon.

[rishaed]

Had it not occurred to you that I may have a role where 2nd choices help me?

I actually saw the whole case on me happening even before I started posting. I knew I was gonna play in a certain way that's gonna arise suspicion.
I'm normally very talkative and I like to test out new strategies that probably won't work. Since I'm not as free to post as I usually am, on most days I can only check on this late at night. That's why I knew I would try to play a lot faster.Therefore I made a joke about how by posting I would be effectively "self-destructing" which happens to be one of graveller's abilties in the early pokemon gameboy games.

Not gonna guess at your role, it's day one. But considering these claims you're making here and in earlier posts it sounds like you're claiming vengeful town.

Also, the bold part........

This is the last defense I'm making. I don't want to waste time talking about myself more when there are 13 other players. Some of whom are dancing happily in the shadows right now not believing their luck. Y'all feel free to make your conclusions.

There were 3 votes on you at this point, and you admitted that you were gonna play in a way that would arouse suspicion. You're throwing in the towel awful quick for someone who's expecting to be in the hot seat.

Vote mandy

mitch is my 2nd choice. FOS aage and IB.

Reasoning? Are you doing this simply because Mandy and Mitch were tied with you at 3 votes each? Are you calling me and IB out for not posting during the weekend? I thought you just said you wanted to talk about the other 13 players, but here you're pointing fingers with no talk.

You're not really convincing me of your innocence here. Why shouldn't we lynch you?


For the record, I'm not comfortable at all with Tim and Mitch jumping on the wagon.

QFT.. For the most part. I agree with aage here that it is awfully suspicious to put yourself in the hotseat intentionally and not expect this kind of fire on D1. I'm also slightly suspicious about the entire throwing in the towel thing. For now I'll unvote I'm keeping up right now, and while I appealed to move on earlier in the day, it didn't happen. To be fair I still think he's probably town, but he might be playing towards his second WC here.

[gregwolf121]

first off unvote

second i will echo the call for a full claim from Bujaber, since he is at L2,
for the record i really didn't see anything majorly scummy with his posts until the no reason vote on mandy.

[BuJaber]

I already put my reasoning for mandy. The only reason I didn't vote 2 days ago was because I waited for his response. His response did not convince me. It seemed very mild, like he doesn't want to take a big risk. Also felt a little forced. He claims there wasn't much to talk about. Well there was. There was the whole case on me he could have shared an opinion about. He could have talked about dakky. He could have talked about the people barely posting. (Some of whom have joined us now which I really appreciate). He could have talked a lot earlier about William's theory. He didn't. He talked now. It didn't convince me of his evidence so I voted him. I saw no reason to repeat myself. In hindsight I could have quoted my earlier posts.

BTW mandy, I know you didn't mean it that way, but seeing as the it's a very obvious scum tell, and everyone who posted after you so far has reiterated how suspicious it is, I'd have to be pretty darn stupid to vote for you now if I'm scum.

@aage: yes there are 9 other players I didn't talk about in my last post. Dakky/Marashu I already said a few posts earlier that I think they're town. The rest haven't made a big impact I haven't decided about them. I suppose me going along with william's theory means I'm indirectly accepting that he's town also. That leaves the other 6 as neutral right now. Not that I made my mind about you and IB.. I'm just a little suspicious. From what I know of IB, he takes a bit more of an active and commanding role when he's town. I don't like relying on meta reads though so for now it's just a FOS. As for you, this is my first game with you, but you started early with the hunting and questioning then your post count dropped. Felt odd. If it's real life, then I'm wrong. Again.. just a FOS.

Hotshot is on point this game. I don't agree with the vote on me obviously but he seems to be looking at everything with rational unbiased eyes.

Mitch - no that's not what I meant. There's no self destructing that will happen after the lynch. If I get lynched I die, I won't be able to actively work on my personal objective, and town will lose one member.


I meant what I said about not revealing more.
I claimed everything town needs to know. Anything more will be too dangerous for me; and it won't make the decision to believe me or not easier.

However, I've thought about the possible consequences, and while it will negate everything I've tried to do so far, I think it will help town make the right decision if I tell everyone that I have a passive bulletproof ability. Also since it sounds like just a flavor thing and not something that will affect the game, but might tell somebody something, my pokemon can't swim.
So basically my claim so far: graveler, bulletproof, can't swim, town.

[mandalorian2298]

Being the rules freak that I am, I would like to point out that Tim's vote is still on me, since he didn't unvote before voting BuJaber.

Also is it a bit suspiscious that although Mandy picks apart rishead for confusing two posters, he makes no mention of mitch's post at all? And how convenient that mitch votes for mandy, on the premise that his argument vs rishaed was nonesence, which has already been concluded to be a simple misunderstanding on both parties (aka safely distancing himself from mandy without putting mandy at risk by posing a valid argument).

It's possible that you have every right to be suspicious. "Possible" I say, because I don't know what it is in Mitch's posts that I should have noticed. While I have read his posts, it is my opinion that the Lord more often then not compels Mitch to post in tongues which is why I am unwilling to undertake the Lovecraftian task of deciphering his writings unless it is in service of blowing up a extinction-size asteroid hurling towards Earth or preventing a primordial evil from once again loosing it's power on the world.

loved this post, in all respect Mandy live long and prosper UNVOTE

I'm glad you liked it, LL&P right back at you buddy.

[mandalorian2298]

I already put my reasoning for mandy. The only reason I didn't vote 2 days ago was because I waited for his response. His response did not convince me. It seemed very mild, like he doesn't want to take a big risk. Also felt a little forced. He claims there wasn't much to talk about. Well there was. There was the whole case on me he could have shared an opinion about. He could have talked about dakky. He could have talked about the people barely posting. (Some of whom have joined us now which I really appreciate). He could have talked a lot earlier about William's theory. He didn't. He talked now. It didn't convince me of his evidence so I voted him. I saw no reason to repeat myself. In hindsight I could have quoted my earlier posts.

BTW mandy, I know you didn't mean it that way, but seeing as the it's a very obvious scum tell, and everyone who posted after you so far has reiterated how suspicious it is, I'd have to be pretty darn stupid to vote for you now if I'm scum.

@aage: yes there are 9 other players I didn't talk about in my last post. Dakky/Marashu I already said a few posts earlier that I think they're town. The rest haven't made a big impact I haven't decided about them. I suppose me going along with william's theory means I'm indirectly accepting that he's town also. That leaves the other 6 as neutral right now. Not that I made my mind about you and IB.. I'm just a little suspicious. From what I know of IB, he takes a bit more of an active and commanding role when he's town. I don't like relying on meta reads though so for now it's just a FOS. As for you, this is my first game with you, but you started early with the hunting and questioning then your post count dropped. Felt odd. If it's real life, then I'm wrong. Again.. just a FOS.

Hotshot is on point this game. I don't agree with the vote on me obviously but he seems to be looking at everything with rational unbiased eyes.

Mitch - no that's not what I meant. There's no self destructing that will happen after the lynch. If I get lynched I die, I won't be able to actively work on my personal objective, and town will lose one member.


I meant what I said about not revealing more.
I claimed everything town needs to know. Anything more will be too dangerous for me; and it won't make the decision to believe me or not easier.

However, I've thought about the possible consequences, and while it will negate everything I've tried to do so far, I think it will help town make the right decision if I tell everyone that I have a passive bulletproof ability. Also since it sounds like just a flavor thing and not something that will affect the game, but might tell somebody something, my pokemon can't swim.
So basically my claim so far: graveler, bulletproof, can't swim, town.

About the underlined part: Oh, how I felt that WIFOM is coming! I actually almost wrote in the post in which I voted for you that the only scum tell you are missing is a WIFOM, but I was too curious to see if you are actually going to do it.

In other news, I remember you asking "what I'm referencing" at one point, but at that moment I was in the middle of hounding Rish for his misspost and I still don't know which one of my references you were referencing. If you would clarify the question, I'll be happy to answer.

[TimWoodbury]

Being the rules freak that I am, I would like to point out that Tim's vote is still on me, since he didn't unvote before voting BuJaber.

1. No editing/deleting. Quoting PMs is alright, but I always make victory conditions unique anyways, so you will probably just screw yourself.
2. No discussing outside of the game thread unless you have a role which allows it.
3. I will not confirm or deny night actions until the game is over, even if I made an error.
4. Make votes in bold and red to be counted. Lynches require a majority except in the first 2 days when greatest number of votes at deadline will be lynched.
5. I will keep the deadlines rather tight at 7 days. If you want the day extended (or not) PM me either way for it to count. If 3 people or more want the deadline extended, it will be in 48 hour increments (minus the number who don't want it extended). You can still post in the thread on this topic, but scum doesn't have to announce that they want a shorter day. If I'm not home/working or whatever, deadlines will still be extended by 12-24 hours.
6. Nights are 48 hours maximum. Roles will do random actions if no action is received!
7. One post every 48 hours is required to stay in the game. One post every 24 hours will be appreciated.
8. Remember, it's just a game. Go for a walk and incubate some eggs once in a while.



show me where in the rules stated for THIS game it says it needs to be unvoted?? show me where it even says it needs to be in red?? if were gonna go by needing to unvote before needing to revote tychnically my votes still on dakky....

[TimWoodbury]

ebwop

i stand corrected on the red part but still maintain it says nothing about unvoteing to revote

[mandalorian2298]

ebwop

i stand corrected on the red part but still maintain it says nothing about unvoteing to revote

Fair enough. It's pretty standard rule so I didn't check if DoomYoshi included it. I assumed. And now we are asses. Woe, the curse of assdom is upon us!