The Hobbit Mafia [Town win]

[Thorthoth]

unvote my joke vote.

At this point, I'm keeping my eye on whoever says a lot without saying anything. There are a few candidates already. Also, I'd like to add that I'm out of town till tomorrow, so my activity might dwindle a bit till Thursday evening.

The real trick is to keep an eye on who is saying a lot by not posting anything. Don't stay away too long.

[Skoffin]

My completely random, totally doesn't mean anything picks for the scum today are:

DDS
Ragoo
Dakky
pika/Masket
Flores

[HotShot53]

I dislike pika's sneakily trying to spy out roles with his dwarf questions, and his overmuch posting about flavor, and his jumping on the newbie for a no-lynch position. All combined, that makes him the most suspicious to me right now, so I will unvote, vote pika

[Pikanchion]

I dislike pika's sneakily trying to spy out roles with his dwarf questions, and his overmuch posting about flavor, and his jumping on the newbie for a no-lynch position. All combined, that makes him the most suspicious to me right now, so I will unvote, vote pika

I was very careful not to ask about any aspect of the role except how many characters they encompass initially, however it appeared as though some had taken that to be an attempt to lure out Gollum, which is why I became more specific as to what I meant afterwards, mentioning Dwarves in particular. With potentially as many as 13 players as dwarves I don't see how this could really be spying out roles... Replying in the negative does not mean you are a dwarf, nor does it mean you are not a dwarf, and affirming this hypothesis only makes you one of likely 6-11 others, with no clue as to whether your role in particular has any abilities or not; Fíli & Kíli as a single role would likely have some sort of ability, while Bofur & Bombur as a single role would still probably just be a vanilla townie.

My guess is that nobody does have multiple characters as their role, and with that being the case I have information I wish to share before the first night phase, however if I am wrong about that then my revelation is bound to be harmful to town.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Well, let's get this out of the way. Using my handy dandy google foo, this is our list of Thorin and Company.
Source

List of the Company.

Spoiler

• 1. Thorin
• 2. Fíli
• 3. Kíi
• 4. Óin
• 5. Glóin
• 6. Balin
• 7. Dwalin
• 8. Ori
• 9. Dori
• 10. Nori
• 12. Bifur
• 13. Bofur
• 14. Bombur
• 15. Bilbo Baggins
• 16. Gandalf

Going down the list...

Thorin stays, for obvious reasons.

Kili and Fili were pivotal throughout. They'll be present.

Oin is the uncle of Gimli, survives the entirety of the adventure. I'd say he'd probably be present.

Gloin is the brother of Oin and father of Gimli. Also probably present.

Balin was a close friend of Thorin. He'd be in.

Dwalin is largely unimportant but noted that he does survive throughout the adventure. Probably not present.

Ori, also largely unimprtant and also survives. Probably not present.

Dori is the brother of Ori. Saved (or tried to) Bilbo a couple of times during the adventure. I give it a 50/50 that he's present.

Nori is the brother of Ori and Dori. Largely unimportant as well. More than likely not present.

Nori did little to distinguish himself during the Dwarves's adventures in the wild

Bifur is probably not present.

Bofur had some screen time and was present throughout, though I don't know if he was really a pivotal character to have. 50/50.

Bombur was a fat ass that slept a lot. Nothing really stands out about him either. Probably not present.

Bilbo and Gandalf are obviously present for this.


So for sure, we can assume that we have Gandalf, Bilbo, Thorin, Fili, Kili and Balin.

Hopefully this comes more handy as the day progresses, and we can determine which characters exactly weren't all important to have.

[Ragian]

unvote my joke vote.

At this point, I'm keeping my eye on whoever says a lot without saying anything. There are a few candidates already. Also, I'd like to add that I'm out of town till tomorrow, so my activity might dwindle a bit till Thursday evening.

The real trick is to keep an eye on who is saying a lot by not posting anything. Don't stay away too long.

You can't both ask noob questions and give out game advice.

[Skoffin]

Do people actually remember what the dwarves names were and which dwarf was which in the films? I thought everyone pretty much went by "the attractive one, the two other attractiveish ones, the fat one, the hat one and the rest of 'em"

[DirtyDishSoap]

Do people actually remember what the dwarves names were and which dwarf was which in the films? I thought everyone pretty much went by "the attractive one, the two other attractiveish ones, the fat one, the hat one and the rest of 'em"

Well, now you have a list to go off of you twat. Be thankful.

[Skoffin]

Do people actually remember what the dwarves names were and which dwarf was which in the films? I thought everyone pretty much went by "the attractive one, the two other attractiveish ones, the fat one, the hat one and the rest of 'em"

Well, now you have a list to go off of you twat. Be thankful.

I too know how to google, you gelatinous cube.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Do people actually remember what the dwarves names were and which dwarf was which in the films? I thought everyone pretty much went by "the attractive one, the two other attractiveish ones, the fat one, the hat one and the rest of 'em"

Well, now you have a list to go off of you twat. Be thankful.

I too know how to google, you gelatinous cube.

No you don't, otherwise you'd have done that in Mass Effect you cancer patient.

[MudPuppy]

Well, let's get this out of the way. Using my handy dandy google foo, this is our list of Thorin and Company.
Source

List of the Company.

Spoiler

• 1. Thorin
• 2. Fíli
• 3. Kíi
• 4. Óin
• 5. Glóin
• 6. Balin
• 7. Dwalin
• 8. Ori
• 9. Dori
• 10. Nori
• 12. Bifur
• 13. Bofur
• 14. Bombur
• 15. Bilbo Baggins
• 16. Gandalf

You skipped #11 so your list only has 15 in it. My memory is gone... it was my recollection that Bilbo made the 13th of the party but guess he was chosen, in part, to move away from the unlucky total of 13... So, madmitch's count was right when he said 15 adventurers with Bilbo, Gandalf, & 13 dwarves. I had tried to correct him saying Bilbo was 13th (excluding Gandalf, as he didn't go with them).

[IcePack]

Confirm my role

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My take on the breakdown is simply in the Day 1 story I believe it was, Gandalf was addressing specifically 13. So it would be 13 (14 if Gandalf comes but as MP story wise that doesn't fit) and 3 scum. Whether all scum are working together or not idk but that's the breakdown I would expect to see

[BuJaber]

DDS, I can assure you I am in this game.

[madmitch]

I can get behind some of Skoffin scum picks, DDS has been quite ignorant to you ( hope it is just fun ) and he also seems to want a no -lynch , MM and Pika is a damn good choice with their constant talk about LOTR and not much also being offered, just trying to stun us with their knowledge I guess maybe they don`t want us to look to close at them ,Dakky well yes I can agree with that just because it`s Dakky , I don`t see your reasoning behind Rags and flores maybe you can explain your thoughts on them, I would also like to add Sam and Thorth to that list because of their no-vote , I think we need to have a vote to see who votes for whom and why, if we run out of time and have a no- lynch that is fine, remember guys night usually favors mafia

[Pikanchion]

My take on the breakdown is simply in the Day 1 story I believe it was, Gandalf was addressing specifically 13. So it would be 13 (14 if Gandalf comes but as MP story wise that doesn't fit) and 3 scum. Whether all scum are working together or not idk but that's the breakdown I would expect to see

Gandalf was addressing the 13 hoods worn by the 13 Dwarves who had arrived, and his own wizard hat in addition. Bilbo had no hood, as he had not expected to be going on an adventure at all. I would not read any more into that opening paragraph, as that would lead us to believe we have 13 dwarves as the town side and no Bilbo...

I can get behind some of Skoffin scum picks, DDS has been quite ignorant to you ( hope it is just fun ) and he also seems to want a no -lynch , MM and Pika is a damn good choice with their constant talk about LOTR and not much also being offered, just trying to stun us with their knowledge I guess maybe they don`t want us to look to close at them

Point to somebody who has contributed more to the game than me so far, and check the proportion of my Minsiter Masket posts to other posts.

[Minister Masket]

Do people actually remember what the dwarves names were and which dwarf was which in the films? I thought everyone pretty much went by "the attractive one, the two other attractiveish ones, the fat one, the hat one and the rest of 'em"

Somewhere is my book collection is the graphic novel of The Hobbit, and each dwarf had some quite clear visual distinctions going on. The film did a fair job in replicating it.

One now wonders which source LoVo is basing this game on, because if it's a standard 3-scum set-up, then we almost certainly have Smaug, the Necromancer, and then either Bolg if it's the book, or Azog if it's the film. Still abit confused why Jackson went down that latter route.

[Ragian]

Then vote, mitch. Also, can't blame anyone for entertaining the thought that I'd be scum given this is the first game in many that I'm not.

[Samlen]

Do people actually remember what the dwarves names were and which dwarf was which in the films? I thought everyone pretty much went by "the attractive one, the two other attractiveish ones, the fat one, the hat one and the rest of 'em"

Somewhere is my book collection is the graphic novel of The Hobbit, and each dwarf had some quite clear visual distinctions going on. The film did a fair job in replicating it.

One now wonders which source LoVo is basing this game on, because if it's a standard 3-scum set-up, then we almost certainly have Smaug, the Necromancer, and then either Bolg if it's the book, or Azog if it's the film. Still abit confused why Jackson went down that latter route.

3 Mafia seems a bit low for a 16 player game. I would assume 4 mafia and maybe twoish thirdparty?

[FloresDelMal]

Would somebody count up the posts and then we can lynch a non-poster and get this game really going.

Bring on the night*.

this "who cares attitude of yours reeks of anti town stench, plus when possible it always benefits town to replace over lynch, what if you went ahead and lynched the doc or the cop for laughs and giggles?

Fine, let's vote 'no lynch' and get the day over with. Even that would be better than this purgatory..

voting no lynch doesnt automatically makes someone scum, but in my book no lynch always hurt town more than anything else, skipping the chance of learn something for give the chance to scum to have the first move is borderline ridiculous, your pattern is so in your face that i am hesitating between you being an inexperienced scumster, a self destructive townie or a jester, and because i have not made my mind yet and you seem quite green i wont vote you yet and instead ill FOS thor

I'm not. And I'm getting tired of your back and forth LotR talk with MM btw, it doesn't bring anything to the discussion.

On the contrary, you are now learning many, many Tolkien facts that you can now impress the girls with at your local library.

this might be one of the reasons why ga7 got me

In any event, I hate Days 1 with a passion and continue my stance in other games, and would rather proceed with a no lynch. Potentially gain way more knowledge on Days 2, rather than throwing the finger blindly.

*face palm* the eerie feeling of deja vu is killing me

Gollum is not a bad guy, he just wants friends.

Out of interest, why do people keep separating 'scum' from roles such as SK? You know that scum just means 'evil non-town roles' right? So mafia and SK will be scum roles. Just something I've noticed and that has been triggering me badly.

i am one of the persons who consider it as 2 different breeds of evil, to me scum is an organized team and 2 persons can do more harm than one, and an SK is a bloodthirsty lonesome third party, and thats why even thought both are harmful i dont like to put them in the same bag.

About people playing more than one dwarf, I don't really see the difference it would make. It is likely that they are not all attributed, so why would it matter if someone has two characters (which would be kind of odd, btw)? Someone claiming two characters is either lying or Gollum IMO, both not good signs about his lifespan (though Gollum would likely be less detrimental to town than Smaug. I personnally would see him as a survivor)
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Just picking a lynch candidate semi-randomly and having everyone vote for him is not going to give us any information. If we manage to pick scum, the other scumsters won't try to divert the vote because it would already be a done deal (and they'd look very scummy) and will just vote for him. If we pick town, mafia members will be all too happy to have a free kill. Either way we get no info.
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Of course, the best scenario would be to catch a scum doing a mistake.

QFT and thats why i hate softclaiming, again my lion king PTSD got triggered and i am overwhelmed by horrible flashbacks of mitch starting the soft claiming trend, me instigating the hate crusade agains hervivores, and mandy...well, being mandy, terrible, terrible stuff, lets not repeat history please, and thats why i wont adress pikanchion soft claiming demands, heck better yet, ill go ahead and FOS pika for trying to make sitting ducks out of the dwarves for scum, sk or any anti town to take its pick, and since you dont have the noob get out of jail free card at this moment you are right on the top of my "might be scum" list...mmhh or are you soft claiming because you and your "precious" are 2 roles in 1

I thought this game is based on the Hobbit ,not the whole LOTR's storyline, so let's concentrate on this story line and not the whole series or we will never get anywhere.

Thank you, mitch, exactly. LOTR will probably be the next mafia game so everybody can save all that fascinating trivia for then.

as sound as that argument might or not be, i am quite enjoying their banter, i find it profoundly interesting to imagine how the outcomes could be impacted if this or that might have or not happened, if i dont participate in it is because i am absolute crap at remembering timelines and even names, despite having read the integral of tolkien in 3 freaking languages over the years, last time being around 6 years ago, but again i am really enjoying it, it helps me to refresh my memory and straighten my facts, and if we press people to stop chatting then how in hell will anyone have the chance to make a slip up or a case

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[quote="Skoffin'']
And I would appreciate it if people would lay off Thor a bit; he certainly could be scum but that doesn't mean we need to be dickheads about his playstyle. He's new FFS, give him time to develop his ability and playstyle. I'd rather we not run off one of the few new players we have thanks.

Says the former scum mate of Thor in Mass Effect mafia. Yeah, don't be a dickhead. Let him play his style more so he can use "the newbie" card again. Are you sided with him, again?![/quote]

What the heck? Are you two playing good cop/bad cop? I haven't done anything scummy and everybody knows it. If dakky really thinks everything is the same as last game, that must mean he's a cult recruiter again.. He's (probably) not, but that shows what his arguments are based on: nothing.

Seriously, Day 1 is a waste and a blind lynch is more likely to take out a townie, so I'm fine with voting 'no lynch' and moving on to the first Night, ...and Night isn't just scum's kill-time. It's also a great time for power-role townies to gather information.

Vote No Lynch[/quote][/quote]

*face palm once again* skoff, dont waste your kindness, seriously, you cant stop lemmings from going off the cliff.

PIka, I think your last post just gave off a majorly scummy stench... but I want to hear what everybody else thinks.

I'm asking, folks: Which is scummier: suggesting a 'No Lynch' on Day 1 or trying to lynch the guy that suggested the 'No Lynch'?

If the consensus is that Pika is being scummy, we don't need to worry about a blind lynch. We can just lynch Pika.

Right now, I''ll just say FOS @ Pika but I may switch that to a vote if enough experienced players concur.

btw, read Pika's fine print too. What is he talking about?? Gollum died at the end of LOTR.

ok i know the concensus is to cut the guy some slack, but i am the only one getting major jester vibes? can anyone remind me of the consequences if lynching a jester day 1? could the game end just like that?

So let's assume that Gollum's sanity is in play here. Would it be far fetched to think he could have a role of an insane/paranoid cop?

interesting theory, at first i thought that could fit the bill for an SK because its willing to kill for greed, but then there is smaug, and someone said that could be a survivor, which is not completely far fectched as well, so many possibilities, and not a single one of them helps town

Do people actually remember what the dwarves names were and which dwarf was which in the films? I thought everyone pretty much went by "the attractive one, the two other attractiveish ones, the fat one, the hat one and the rest of 'em"

honestly even thought saying all of their names makes me unexplainably giddy i get them mixed up all the time, and i dont remember much of the movie, so i forgot there where hottish dwarves, this grants a rewatch, but we still havent hooked the tv or the comp

My completely random, totally doesn't mean anything picks for the scum today are:

DDS
Ragoo
Dakky
pika/Masket
Flores

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care to expand? you might be into something there that we might not be seeing, and we need to start somewhere, why not start with your hunches, as i explained above, i do agree that pika its shady, but you might have pointed at him for a different reason

also Unvote MM because scummier people came under my radar ^^

[ZaBeast]

About the pika/MM duo, I believe MM is the scummiest of both. And it's very likely there's 1 scum between them, if any, as I wouldn't see two scums associate with each other so much, esp. since scum have not had the opportunity to talk together yet.
Why would MM be the scummiest of the two? 5 posts (not including the confirm one), pretty much all about flavor, and most of them where he spews LotR nonsense (only post not about flavor. And it's a picture. On the other hand, Pika has been generally more active, especially compared to his general scummaring in the lion king mafia. At any rate, we shouldn't lynch him before he explains why he asked if anyone had more than a role, maybe it will make sense.

My guess is that nobody does have multiple characters as their role, and with that being the case I have information I wish to share before the first night phase, however if I am wrong about that then my revelation is bound to be harmful to town.

With that being said, vote MM.

About the Thor issue, I found this post in the mass effect mafia

I'm going to keep posting to maintain my game involvement... but I am still quite uncertain about everything and have no idea whom I want lynched...

But that's okay, brutal unthinking mobs lynching the wrong guy is a time-honored tradition. Is there a bandwagon to jump on yet?

Now, that may be related to the fact he was mafia in that game, but I find the change on his stance about lynching pretty drastic. So FOS Thornthoth

[FloresDelMal]

ack i horribly screwed up my last quote, sorry ppl

[dakky21]

If it's only 3 mafia, then we're good. Anyway, I think DDS copied the list so #11 is himself and he forgot to count the roles again. Sounds like a slip. Unless #11 was a "town" role but I highly doubt it.

[ZaBeast]

If it's only 3 mafia, then we're good. Anyway, I think DDS copied the list so #11 is himself and he forgot to count the roles again. Sounds like a slip. Unless #11 was a "town" role but I highly doubt it.

I don't think any dwarves are scum roles, I would see some of them as fake claims instead. Plenty evil characters in the series to chose from, I don't see the need for evil dwarves. About the DDS list, he did indead a bad copy-paste job, as he forgot the "l" in Kili. You'll notice the dwarves end at 14, so he didn't forget any dwarves, he just went from 10 to 12 when he numbered the list.

[Thorthoth]

ack i horribly screwed up my last quote, sorry ppl

Apology NOT good enough.

You start your post by ragging on me for suggesting anything that might end the tedium of Day 1... Accusing me of being noob*, scum or BOTH!
and then you end your over-long post by making another long complex quote and then FALSELY attributing the quote to me.

You didn't even explain the mistake... That was so sloppy that I'm wondering if it was intentional...

I would 'FOS' you over this, but you did FOS Pika and I do feel that is a good move... but you are now honor-bound to double down on your proof-reading, hear?

*(I suppose I am technically semi-noob, but I'm not that bad. It's EVERYBODY ELSE who is playing my 'noob card', NOT ME.)

[Pikanchion]

About people playing more than one dwarf, I don't really see the difference it would make. It is likely that they are not all attributed, so why would it matter if someone has two characters (which would be kind of odd, btw)? Someone claiming two characters is either lying or Gollum IMO, both not good signs about his lifespan (though Gollum would likely be less detrimental to town than Smaug. I personnally would see him as a survivor)
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Just picking a lynch candidate semi-randomly and having everyone vote for him is not going to give us any information. If we manage to pick scum, the other scumsters won't try to divert the vote because it would already be a done deal (and they'd look very scummy) and will just vote for him. If we pick town, mafia members will be all too happy to have a free kill. Either way we get no info.
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Of course, the best scenario would be to catch a scum doing a mistake.

QFT and thats why i hate softclaiming, again my lion king PTSD got triggered and i am overwhelmed by horrible flashbacks of mitch starting the soft claiming trend, me instigating the hate crusade agains hervivores, and mandy...well, being mandy, terrible, terrible stuff, lets not repeat history please, and thats why i wont adress pikanchion soft claiming demands, heck better yet, ill go ahead and FOS pika for trying to make sitting ducks out of the dwarves for scum, sk or any anti town to take its pick, and since you dont have the noob get out of jail free card at this moment you are right on the top of my "might be scum" list...

I dislike pika's sneakily trying to spy out roles with his dwarf questions, and his overmuch posting about flavor, and his jumping on the newbie for a no-lynch position. All combined, that makes him the most suspicious to me right now, so I will unvote, vote pika

I was very careful not to ask about any aspect of the role except how many characters they encompass initially, however it appeared as though some had taken that to be an attempt to lure out Gollum, which is why I became more specific as to what I meant afterwards, mentioning Dwarves in particular. With potentially as many as 13 players as dwarves I don't see how this could really be spying out roles... Replying in the negative does not mean you are a dwarf, nor does it mean you are not a dwarf, and affirming this hypothesis only makes you one of likely 6-11 others, with no clue as to whether your role in particular has any abilities or not; Fíli & Kíli as a single role would likely have some sort of ability, while Bofur & Bombur as a single role would still probably just be a vanilla townie.

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mmhh or are you soft claiming because you and your "precious" are 2 roles in 1

Hey! That's my line >:(

In any case, I don't really see Golllum as an evil evil character. He'd be third party, but I don't see killer fitting him. Personally I'd say him being a lyncher or survivor fits better.
But none of that really matters does it, since we're all using Hobbit/LoTR flavour to avoid actually scumhunting and still looking busy, right?

What scum hunting have you done Gollum? (...and is your red text the voice of The Precious, or of Sméagol?)

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If it's only 3 mafia, then we're good. Anyway, I think DDS copied the list so #11 is himself and he forgot to count the roles again. Sounds like a slip. Unless #11 was a "town" role but I highly doubt it.

This is highly unlikely as DirtyDishSoap included the source for their list, and the two lists are identical save for the addition of numbering, which was not included in the source material. I see absolutely no reason to believe it was anything other than a mistake while typing out the numbers, and to suggest otherwise feels like you're grasping at straws.