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riskllama wrote:how is calling something what it actually is/was a mistake, sym?
CHAMPOS wrote:The vast majority of wars and conquests at the time were in the name of religion, it was the main influence at the time.
The vast majority of crusades at the time were in the name of religion. At this point in time most powerful regional religions were heading towards Jerusalem - Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Islamic caliphates and there is even evidence the mongols set foot in Palestine at the time.
As we have pointed out the map is based on the kingdoms/empires at he time (with the areas they ruled/controlled) and then categorised by the rulers religion. A simple concept, reflective of the time.
Symmetry wrote:CHAMPOS wrote:The vast majority of wars and conquests at the time were in the name of religion, it was the main influence at the time.
The vast majority of crusades at the time were in the name of religion. At this point in time most powerful regional religions were heading towards Jerusalem - Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Islamic caliphates and there is even evidence the mongols set foot in Palestine at the time.
As we have pointed out the map is based on the kingdoms/empires at he time (with the areas they ruled/controlled) and then categorised by the rulers religion. A simple concept, reflective of the time.
I think you're over-simplifying a period of history that is far more more complex than you think. I don't want to presume here, but you might have muddled Clausewitz's idea that "War is merely the continuation of politics by other means" to be "war is merely the continuation of religion by other means.".
HitRed wrote:I still have a hard time seeing the Eastern Orthodox. Red maybe?
Also I like the idea of Russian princes being Orthodox but either way is fine.
Dukasaur wrote:Symmetry wrote:CHAMPOS wrote:The vast majority of wars and conquests at the time were in the name of religion, it was the main influence at the time.
The vast majority of crusades at the time were in the name of religion. At this point in time most powerful regional religions were heading towards Jerusalem - Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Islamic caliphates and there is even evidence the mongols set foot in Palestine at the time.
As we have pointed out the map is based on the kingdoms/empires at he time (with the areas they ruled/controlled) and then categorised by the rulers religion. A simple concept, reflective of the time.
I think you're over-simplifying a period of history that is far more more complex than you think. I don't want to presume here, but you might have muddled Clausewitz's idea that "War is merely the continuation of politics by other means" to be "war is merely the continuation of religion by other means.".
It's the other way around. Religion is the continuation of war by other means. Christianity was established to to to preserve the Pax Romana in the failing years of the Roman Empire. Islam was founded to justify Arab military conquest. Sikhism was founded to try to find a middle ground and end the cycle of wars between Hindus and Muslims in northern India. Etc., etc.
Symmetry wrote:Champos- you're still calling the Mongolian forces "hordes" in several territories.
CHAMPOS wrote:Symmetry wrote:Champos- you're still calling the Mongolian forces "hordes" in several territories.
That is beacause they were known as hordes, the ones stated were there at the time.
HitRed wrote:Let's beat this to death
Expect to show some flexibility and be prepared to move away from complete geographical accuracy or historical authenticity.
CHAMPOS wrote:
CHAMPOS wrote:I agree. Let’s get back the map’s playability...
I think we will need to agree to disagree on the influence of religion in crusades and conflicts in the 13th century
Symmetry wrote:Historically speaking, (I promised to leave off map criticism, everyone knows my objections) England would be tough tough to conquer. The last really successful invasion of England was in 1066, by William I (aka William the Conqueror), and that was partly because the previous king, Harold had just fought off another invasion attempt.
Since then, there's been a few kind of invasions, but they've been more like raids, at least concerning the mainland.
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