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Re: Kavanaugh- Alleged victim comes forward

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:55 pm

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spurgistan wrote:As I've said before, the FBI can't investigate unless the President formally asks them to, because it's his nominee. It really boggles the mind why the President isn't down to investigate sexual assault claims against his own nominee.


Because, according to Jessica Estepa (a member of the lying press), writing last July, the FBI reports to the Attorney-General and the president has no power to start or stop an FBI investigation.


But this is the president asking the FBI to basically run a background check on his nominee. He, and his office alone, can do that.


An article by Pete Williams ... I hope he's more accurate about this than when he confidently declared that the suspects in the Charlie Hebdo attack had been killed and then refused to issue a correction. In fact, Pete Williams has a record of - not just errors - but outright dishonesty that even other members of the lying press find outrageous.

Since Pete Williams has been proven to be a liar, I'm going to stick by the 100% of pre-Kavanaugh press reports which says the President can not order the FBI to start or stop an investigation on whatever he fancies; Hillary's emails, Russia, Kavanaugh, etc.

I applaud President Trump for respecting the independence of the sacrosanct FBI and not interfering or meddling in their decision not to investigate further.
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Re: Kavanaugh- Alleged victim comes forward

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:17 am

Great news!

GOP barrels toward Kavanaugh vote

The judiciary committee will approve the nomination tomorrow morning, and then conduct an extraordinary meeting Saturday to move the vote to the full Senate. The Senate will then rubber stamp the nomination on Tuesday, meaning Kavanaugh should be robed and on the Supreme Court by late Tuesday evening.

2 down, 2 to go!

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Re: Kavanaugh- Alleged victim comes forward

Postby mrswdk on Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:04 am

It's ironic that this is the process for picking one of the most senior judges in the entire American judicial system, and yet that process seems to involve deciding whether or not someone is guilty of a crime without actually holding a proper trial. None of the politicians or bureaucrats opposed to this guy's nomination are seeking to take this to a formal trial, as far as I have seen. They want to use the hearing process to make a straight yes/no decision about whether or not he gets the job. At best it is a threat to deny someone a job based on allegations of a crime they have never actually been convicted of, at worst it is trial by media.

Another grand display of how superior American institutions are to those of other countries! America is a champion of fairness and equality! All governments who do not emulate America are corrupt and do not respect their citizens!
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Re: Kavanaugh- Alleged victim comes forward

Postby thegreekdog on Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:02 am

I've read at least three articles and a number of Twitter posts from media members that breathlessly shouted things like "One of the most exhausting days in history." Can the media agree not to use terms like "one of the most exhausting" or "this is a situation where you'll remember where you were like 9/11 or the Challenger?" It's not like 9/11 or the Challenger explosion. It's not one of the most exhausting days in history (that probably should be reserved for things like, well, 9/11 or D-Day, not for a Senate hearing).
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Re: Kavanaugh- Alleged victim comes forward

Postby Neoteny on Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:34 am

Go off, king! Nail those media bastards to the turf! We need to maintain the integrity of... *checks notes*...how authors feel about their day?

Your media poisoning is manifesting in the same petty, pointless grandstanding you claim to despise.
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Re: Kavanaugh- Alleged victim comes forward

Postby thegreekdog on Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:10 am

Neoteny wrote:Go off, king! Nail those media bastards to the turf! We need to maintain the integrity of... *checks notes*...how authors feel about their day?

Your media poisoning is manifesting in the same petty, pointless grandstanding you claim to despise.


Um... I'm writing on a dying internet game's forum and taking about a minute to type a post for which I do not get paid. They're self-important scumbag journalists who earn their livings from taking hours to type out an editorial or article to influence people (sorry, did I type "influence people?" I meant to type "inform people.") I'm pretty sure I'm incapable of grandstanding. They are not incapable and are engaging in it wholesale.

tl;dr - They can all f*ck off.
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Re: Kavanaugh- Alleged victim comes forward

Postby mrswdk on Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:13 am

The American press, another great institution that other countries are appalling shit holes for not copying.
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Re: Kavanaugh- Alleged victim comes forward

Postby mrswdk on Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:31 am

One of the things I think is funny about this (and all) American court nomination is this:

Even before Christine Blasey Ford accused Supreme Court choice Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault, the nomination was said to be about women.

Appointing Mr Kavanaugh would tip the court's balance in favour of Republicans. This sparked real fear among progressive women that landmark Roe v Wade decision that granted the right to abortion could be overturned.


The judiciary are supposedly impartial in their application of the law, and yet there are 'Republican' and 'Democrat' judges who adhere to and overturn rulings as and when it suits their political bent.

Hurray America's superior of checks and balances!
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Re: Kavanaugh- Alleged victim comes forward

Postby thegreekdog on Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:20 am

mrswdk wrote:One of the things I think is funny about this (and all) American court nomination is this:

Even before Christine Blasey Ford accused Supreme Court choice Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault, the nomination was said to be about women.

Appointing Mr Kavanaugh would tip the court's balance in favour of Republicans. This sparked real fear among progressive women that landmark Roe v Wade decision that granted the right to abortion could be overturned.


The judiciary are supposedly impartial in their application of the law, and yet there are 'Republican' and 'Democrat' judges who adhere to and overturn rulings as and when it suits their political bent.

Hurray America's superior of checks and balances!


You can go back to earlier parts of this thread - Kavanaugh has insinuated, repeatedly, that he would not overturn Roe v. Wade because precedent matters to a judicial originalist. Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey matter to Kavanaugh-type justices. Democrats and liberals don't believe him. I think they don't believe him because their favored justices are judicial activists; and judicial activists don't care about precedent. And to the extent Kavanaugh is not appointed, and Trump nominates someone like Coney, I think you'll see this again (Coney is Catholic).
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Re: Kavanaugh- Alleged victim comes forward

Postby mrswdk on Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:46 am

I didn't say anything about Kavanaugh specifically. I said the American judiciary in general. The US has at least some partial judges who are nominated, by politicians, precisely because the politicians nominating them are aware that those judges are partial and favor those politicians' political leanings.

Looking at your claim that some judges are 'activists' who ignore precedent (even though the US has a case law system) and are picked by America's politicians precisely because they behave in this way, I was correct in saying what I did and you agree with me.

Kavanaugh may well be completely impartial as an individual, but the US justice system as a whole isn't and that is why people are able to gain traction when throwing shade at Kavanaugh's impartiality.
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Re: Kavanaugh- Alleged victim comes forward

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:56 am

Once in awhile you may have a judge appointed by a president and confirmed by fhe Senate of the same party but, in most cases, control is bifurcated which enforces moderation as in the case of Kennedy.

However, the Democrat Party has so completely imploded through sheer incompetence that it's only held the Senate 2 of the last 24 years. If they were a reasonably competent party they would be more likely to be trusted by the public with the reigns of power and you'd see more compromise judges. But the people have decided they aren't smart enough to vet judicial candidates, and, therefore have denied them the Senate.
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Re: Kavanaugh- Alleged victim comes forward

Postby mrswdk on Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:18 am

The term 'compromise judge' just adds fuel to my big fat WDK fire.
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Re: Kavanaugh- Alleged victim comes forward

Postby thegreekdog on Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:29 pm

mrswdk wrote:I didn't say anything about Kavanaugh specifically. I said the American judiciary in general. The US has at least some partial judges who are nominated, by politicians, precisely because the politicians nominating them are aware that those judges are partial and favor those politicians' political leanings.

Looking at your claim that some judges are 'activists' who ignore precedent (even though the US has a case law system) and are picked by America's politicians precisely because they behave in this way, I was correct in saying what I did and you agree with me.

Kavanaugh may well be completely impartial as an individual, but the US justice system as a whole isn't and that is why people are able to gain traction when throwing shade at Kavanaugh's impartiality.


I suppose the alternative is that the ruling party removes all opposition party judges, imprisons and/or executes them, and replaces them with ruling party loyal judges. That seems like a process that work for you mrs.
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Re: Kavanaugh- Alleged victim comes forward

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:35 pm

The 80-something year old senators of the Democrat Party are now huddling to decide their strategy before the committee vote. Either that, or Leahy is asking if anyone has some extra Metamucil.

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Re: Kavanaugh- Alleged victim comes forward

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:58 pm

The Committee has recommended Kavanaugh to the floor!

The Republicans, in their generosity, have said they will recommend that the Rules Committee delay the plenary vote by one week for an FBI inquiry to occur so as to fully debunk Ford Pinto's conspiracy theory.
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Re: Kavanaugh- Alleged victim comes forward

Postby mookiemcgee on Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:55 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
mrswdk wrote:I didn't say anything about Kavanaugh specifically. I said the American judiciary in general. The US has at least some partial judges who are nominated, by politicians, precisely because the politicians nominating them are aware that those judges are partial and favor those politicians' political leanings.

Looking at your claim that some judges are 'activists' who ignore precedent (even though the US has a case law system) and are picked by America's politicians precisely because they behave in this way, I was correct in saying what I did and you agree with me.

Kavanaugh may well be completely impartial as an individual, but the US justice system as a whole isn't and that is why people are able to gain traction when throwing shade at Kavanaugh's impartiality.


I suppose the alternative is that the ruling party removes all opposition party judges, imprisons and/or executes them, and replaces them with ruling party loyal judges. That seems like a process that work for you mrs.


Hopefully the two term limit will prevent Trump from degrading this country to that point, but you never know...
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Re: Kavanaugh- Alleged victim comes forward

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Sep 29, 2018 8:16 am

thegreekdog wrote:
mrswdk wrote:I didn't say anything about Kavanaugh specifically. I said the American judiciary in general. The US has at least some partial judges who are nominated, by politicians, precisely because the politicians nominating them are aware that those judges are partial and favor those politicians' political leanings.

Looking at your claim that some judges are 'activists' who ignore precedent (even though the US has a case law system) and are picked by America's politicians precisely because they behave in this way, I was correct in saying what I did and you agree with me.

Kavanaugh may well be completely impartial as an individual, but the US justice system as a whole isn't and that is why people are able to gain traction when throwing shade at Kavanaugh's impartiality.


I suppose the alternative is that the ruling party removes all opposition party judges, imprisons and/or executes them, and replaces them with ruling party loyal judges. That seems like a process that work for you mrs.


Or, you could, you know, try to have a process that's about selecting competent practitioners of jurisprudence rather than standard-bearers for political parties.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45632035

In the UK, the 12-member Supreme Court was created in 2009, replacing the Law Lords in Parliament, bringing the UK into line with many comparable modern states. It acts as a final court of appeal in cases of major public importance.

The justices are nominated by an independent commission, chaired by the president of the court, a senior judge from anywhere in the UK to be named by the president and members of the appointment commissions from England and Wales, Scotland and Northern Irelan

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These rules, experts say, mean that political positions of nominees are often unknown or irrelevant in the process.

(...)

"We have a completely independent process... It's almost seen like an internal promotion system rather than a politicised process," she added, saying that citizens can officially complain over alleged political bias.
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Re: Kavanaugh- Alleged victim comes forward

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:36 am

The UK system is inferior because courts, if I'm not mistaken, have only limited power of judicial review. Because parliament is sovereign, courts can only test if a law is inconsistently applied or incompatible with other laws.

The US Supreme Court has a negative lawmaking role. Having an outside body choose it would, IMO, be undemocratic. Even Britain used to have the Privy Council as the court of final appeal. Their new system is a progressive mashup that was conjured out of thin air instead of descended from ancient legal ideas that have been proven to work over thousands of years back to Rome itself, like in the US.
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Re: Kavanaugh- Alleged victim comes forward

Postby tzor on Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:47 am

saxitoxin wrote:The UK system is inferior because courts, I think, have only limited power of judicial review. Because parliament is sovereign, courts can only test if a law is inconsistently applied or incompatible with other laws.


The key here is "because parliament is sovereign." Both congress and parliament can make laws. But congress is under the constitution, which has specific requirements for the adoption of amendments. Congress can create and amend laws but it can't directly amend the constitution through regular law. Since there is no such law in the U.K. there is nothing above parliament's laws that a parliamentary law can contradict.

Oddly enough there is nothing in the constitution that states this "judicial review." It's just a logical consequence of law ... if a law states that the only way it can be amended is X then the only way it can be amended is X and as such remains law in spite of any illegal attempts to contradict it. The lesser law that would cause paradox simply has no power of effect as a result of the higher law.

So the moment there is something more sovereign than parliament, the courts can tell parliament hard cheese. That, ironically, is the logical development of the European Union, which the UK is halfheartedly trying to break away from.
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Re: Kavanaugh- Alleged victim comes forward

Postby spurgistan on Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:49 am

thegreekdog wrote:
mrswdk wrote:I didn't say anything about Kavanaugh specifically. I said the American judiciary in general. The US has at least some partial judges who are nominated, by politicians, precisely because the politicians nominating them are aware that those judges are partial and favor those politicians' political leanings.

Looking at your claim that some judges are 'activists' who ignore precedent (even though the US has a case law system) and are picked by America's politicians precisely because they behave in this way, I was correct in saying what I did and you agree with me.

Kavanaugh may well be completely impartial as an individual, but the US justice system as a whole isn't and that is why people are able to gain traction when throwing shade at Kavanaugh's impartiality.


I suppose the alternative is that the ruling party removes all opposition party judges, imprisons and/or executes them, and replaces them with ruling party loyal judges. That seems like a process that work for you mrs.


or term limits
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Re: Kavanaugh- Alleged victim comes forward

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:00 pm

spurgistan wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
mrswdk wrote:I didn't say anything about Kavanaugh specifically. I said the American judiciary in general. The US has at least some partial judges who are nominated, by politicians, precisely because the politicians nominating them are aware that those judges are partial and favor those politicians' political leanings.

Looking at your claim that some judges are 'activists' who ignore precedent (even though the US has a case law system) and are picked by America's politicians precisely because they behave in this way, I was correct in saying what I did and you agree with me.

Kavanaugh may well be completely impartial as an individual, but the US justice system as a whole isn't and that is why people are able to gain traction when throwing shade at Kavanaugh's impartiality.


I suppose the alternative is that the ruling party removes all opposition party judges, imprisons and/or executes them, and replaces them with ruling party loyal judges. That seems like a process that work for you mrs.


or term limits


We have Supreme Court term limits. Ginsburg's term is set to end when her clerks forget to fill the prescription for whatever wonder drug is keeping her alive.
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Re: Kavanaugh- Alleged victim comes forward

Postby HitRed on Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:05 pm

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We have Supreme Court term limits. Ginsburg's term is set to end when her clerks forget to fill the prescription for whatever wonder drug is keeping her alive.


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Re: Kavanaugh- Alleged victim comes forward

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Sep 29, 2018 1:20 pm

Dukasaur wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
mrswdk wrote:I didn't say anything about Kavanaugh specifically. I said the American judiciary in general. The US has at least some partial judges who are nominated, by politicians, precisely because the politicians nominating them are aware that those judges are partial and favor those politicians' political leanings.

Looking at your claim that some judges are 'activists' who ignore precedent (even though the US has a case law system) and are picked by America's politicians precisely because they behave in this way, I was correct in saying what I did and you agree with me.

Kavanaugh may well be completely impartial as an individual, but the US justice system as a whole isn't and that is why people are able to gain traction when throwing shade at Kavanaugh's impartiality.


I suppose the alternative is that the ruling party removes all opposition party judges, imprisons and/or executes them, and replaces them with ruling party loyal judges. That seems like a process that work for you mrs.


Or, you could, you know, try to have a process that's about selecting competent practitioners of jurisprudence rather than standard-bearers for political parties.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45632035

In the UK, the 12-member Supreme Court was created in 2009, replacing the Law Lords in Parliament, bringing the UK into line with many comparable modern states. It acts as a final court of appeal in cases of major public importance.

The justices are nominated by an independent commission, chaired by the president of the court, a senior judge from anywhere in the UK to be named by the president and members of the appointment commissions from England and Wales, Scotland and Northern Irelan

(...)

These rules, experts say, mean that political positions of nominees are often unknown or irrelevant in the process.

(...)

"We have a completely independent process... It's almost seen like an internal promotion system rather than a politicised process," she added, saying that citizens can officially complain over alleged political bias.


On further review, this is a classic British "independent" commission.

A voting majority (3 of 5) of its members are selected from the judicial appointments commission. But who chooses the judicial appointments commission? If you look at their website, etc., it is exceptionally vague just to say they are chosen "through a competitive process" (https://www.judiciary.uk/related-office ... ommission/). Once you actually dig into the statute (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2013 ... tents/made) you find they are appointed by the Lord Chancellor. And, of course, the Lord Chancellor is designated by the Prime Minister.

In other words, for all intents and purposes, the Prime Minister appoints judges without anyone's input at all, his choices are just laundered through a series of intermediary officials and panels - like criminals launder money - to wash and clean them and make them appear independent. The US system of checks and balances is superior.

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Re: Kavanaugh- Alleged victim comes forward

Postby Symmetry on Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:09 pm

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saxitoxin wrote:
We have Supreme Court term limits. Ginsburg's term is set to end when her clerks forget to fill the prescription for whatever wonder drug is keeping her alive.


:lol:


Weirdly enough, it's posts like these that make me think that a lot of this thread is about the contempt that the right has for women's lives.

I know that sounds extreme, but you're literally lolling over the potential death of a woman who has given much of her life to the law, in a thread about a guy who just dedicated himself to partisan politics over women and the law- to Trump essentially.
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