INTO THE DEEP (COMPLETE - Mafia Win !!)

[ZaBeast]

I still as I believe you all do feel like

You didn't hammer jfm but you killed english grammar

[Metsfanmax]

1. Mets-Its hard to believe Mets would hard defend his scumbuddy this much but it's also hard to believe he could be this dense towards all of JFM's latest bullshit to keep defending him. I didn't see the case against him day 1 but his continued play is odd to me.

I stopped defending jfm a while ago. All I said recently was that people should give him some time to attempt to verify his theory about a day doctor healing blacky before lynching him, since we still had a couple days before the deadline. Hardly counts as defending him. By the time I saw his latest update about claiming to be town assassin, he had already been hammered.

Ragian was even more firm in his choice not to go after jfm than I was, so you should look at him too if you're going to look at me.

I stick with Tobi as a top candidate under those circumstances too though Mets' odd timed vote on Tobi doesnt quite seem to fit if both are scum.

I voted Tobi because Sirius was (correctly) calling people out for not even having a vote placed, so I decided to do my part and make known what my stance is. It didn't mean anything more than that.

[strike wolf]

I don't believe in commas. They're for the weak.

The day doc thing was ridiculous as Tobi and others correctly pointed out. Your vote was empty and made little sense with the timing. Even if you believed JFM at that point, Tobi was removed from anything to do with any cases that actually had importance at the time. Yes you've stopped defending him now when he's dead in the water but at this point just looks like damage control. Not oops I was wrong to defend him.

I'll look into Rage as well.

[Ragian]

Yeah, right now I look like an idiot. Happy days.

You look better than when you thought roleblocking prevented night chat, don't worry

I do not understand what this is about...

Ragian was even more firm in his choice not to go after jfm than I was, so you should look at him too if you're going to look at me.

True. Your elementary school accusations is absolutely spot on. I'm still reeling.

[...] I'll look into Rage as well.

I take that as a huge compliment.

*pulls out six foot long rope and ties a noose*

[Razorvich]

[Razorvich]

Someone shouts.. POISON !!
The evidence is there on the decaying Swordfish corpse, its unnatural decaying fins and twisted body show all the signs of something evil.

Attention focuses to the only known offensive town protector.
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE JMF? WHY POISON OUR SWORDFISH? IT COULD ONLY BE YOU !!

QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED
Do we know all from night 1?
Has someone remained silent about their actions... or consequences?
Is there more to this than a simple vigilante?
Are we all being played like aquarium fish?

Once again the interrogation is harsh, overwhelming and deadly.

The Town Assassins body now resides in Davy Jones locker at the bottom of the reef

show: Town Assassin has been lynched

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The Moon is full, the seas are calm, Shadows are easily identified
Travelers must take extra care tonight, all may not be what they seem

It is now NIGHT 2

Send in your night actions by replying to your role PMs.

You also have the option to waive your night action and go for your favorite food .. (may random.org be your friend)
Remain undiscovered and your night actions will succeed... become detected, and all hell may break loose

Those who already know their BONUS action, will still have to get that food to activate it
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You have 48 hours to lodge your night actions
Good luck to all those who choose to travel tonight, things are heating up bigtime

[strike wolf]

*Breaks desk*

[Skoffin]

What the ever loving f*ck

[Razorvich]

The full moon lights up the reef in all its glory, the calm seas ease some into a false sense of security
Evil is associated with darkness as some reef dwellers now understand

During the night, once again a flash of bubbles is seen heading towards the surface.

Dawn shadows are no where to be seen..... is this a sign of something coming?

DAY 3 BEGINS

NOTE:
Those who have discovered their BONUS NIGHT ACTION , you can only wield that power once you have successfully gone for your favorite food during a night.

Good luck, may the carnage continue

[chapcrap]

So... no death again. It's really odd to me that the scum missed on two consecutive nights.

Was anyone else poisoned? SW, as the only claimed healer, did you heal blacky?

Blacky, can you respond?

I'd like to hear from blacky again though. He was dropping hints about letting in be known who he targeted on N1 that potentially is the reason he is poisoned. What are we waiting on for that information blacky?

I missed posting/reading over the weekend. Busy time. Apologies. Blacky, I didn't see you answer. What were you dropping hints about?

[blacky365]

Woohoo... thank you to whoever healed me!

[strike wolf]

Yes. I healed Blacky.

I also want to note that yesterday is a prime example of why you don't fake claim an important protective role as town.

Will hopefully be back tonight with a more detailed post. If not. I should be on tomorrow.

[TX AG 90]

FYI,

I'll be posting less for the next several REAL Days. I'm playing in some Events at WSOP Council Bluffs. I'll try to catch up when I can.

[Skoffin]

Tobi seemed in your top 2 earlier (you roughly said something like "tobi/blacky are good lynch candidates"), why did he fall off top 4?

I forgot he exists.

Skoffin still third party queen to me. Her play just feels too safe to be town but not enough deception and trying to play bad lynches for me to feel she's mafia.

Safe. Probably the most aggressive player here, but alright.

I have some theories for what I think it going on, but it's early and honestly cbf right now. I'm just going to state for the record that technically I was not wrong about jfm's actions and for calling him a liar, I just had no fucking idea that he would be a townie pulling that stunt so if anyone wants to fight me on that I'm ready.

[blacky365]

Safe. Probably the most aggressive player here, but alright.

I have some theories for what I think it going on, but it's early and honestly cbf right now. I'm just going to state for the record that technically I was not wrong about jfm's actions and for calling him a liar, I just had no fucking idea that he would be a townie pulling that stunt so if anyone wants to fight me on that I'm ready.

I don’t think anyone can read anything in to those who voted jfm... it’s unfortunate but he basically asked to be lynched!

And thank you strike... it’s nice to put a name to my guardian angel!

[chapcrap]

I have some theories for what I think it going on, but it's early and honestly cbf right now. I'm just going to state for the record that technically I was not wrong about jfm's actions and for calling him a liar, I just had no fucking idea that he would be a townie pulling that stunt so if anyone wants to fight me on that I'm ready. [/color]

Definitely on Skoffin's side for this. The way he played that was... odd.

Blacky?

Blacky, can you respond?

I'd like to hear from blacky again though. He was dropping hints about letting in be known who he targeted on N1 that potentially is the reason he is poisoned. What are we waiting on for that information blacky?

I missed posting/reading over the weekend. Busy time. Apologies. Blacky, I didn't see you answer. What were you dropping hints about?

[Tobikera]

On the way to finding my prey, I got bumped, but then kept going until I found my prey....whatever that implies. There was no indication that my action was successful, which to me implies that my target did not him/herself take any action last night. This could mean they are scum, if you believe that only one of the scum executes a hit, and my choice wasn't that individual. Or, there are other possibilities.

Waiting to hear if any positive or negative events happened last night, which could have been caused by my mis-direction last night. I'll fess up who once hear from folks.

Also, it might be useful to hear from a variety of folks about their interpretation of all that the mod said in the End of Day 2 scene. To be honest, jfm confused the hell out of me. And, the mod implied that we did not learn all we could from N1.

[TX AG 90]

I think jfm was just going for credits and didn't care about Town vs. Scum.

To fire his vigilante bullet N1 without us knowing who was who was irresponsible.

[aage]

Tobi seemed in your top 2 earlier (you roughly said something like "tobi/blacky are good lynch candidates"), why did he fall off top 4?

I forgot he exists.

Skoffin still third party queen to me. Her play just feels too safe to be town but not enough deception and trying to play bad lynches for me to feel she's mafia.

Safe. Probably the most aggressive player here, but alright.

I have some theories for what I think it going on, but it's early and honestly cbf right now. I'm just going to state for the record that technically I was not wrong about jfm's actions and for calling him a liar, I just had no fucking idea that he would be a townie pulling that stunt so if anyone wants to fight me on that I'm ready.

I don't intend to fight you. (Although you mentioned maybe wanting to fight me, so we'll see.) After jfm's day 2 comments he was the obvious choice for the lynch, and honestly I consider the people who thought him town still or simply didn't want to burn their hands voting for him (i.e. Pika, Mets, Ragian) to be way more scummy.
Kinda obvious I take this stance seeing as I voted jfm too without much second thought, but there you have it.

No nightkill again but the doc was busy healing Blacky... Did anyone get a message that they were attacked? I didn't.


Regarding jfm's play this game, let's just note the things that he did:
- as town, falsely claim to be a protective role with no incentive
- pushing (probably) the real protective town role into claiming
- trying to kill someone they thought were town during N1
- forcing town doc's night action to be wasted on healing that person
- trying to get the guy who counterclaimed his own fake claim lynched
This is just assholery. I really don't care if there were credits to be earned, you jeopardize your own win chances and those of the majority of players with this. That's the last I'll say on the matter.

[Metsfanmax]

Definitely on Skoffin's side for this. The way he played that was... odd.

I doubt anyone will defend the way he played. But I recognized a wagon that was primarily based not on "this person's actions are evidence that he is scum," but rather based on "I don't like this person's actions," and I chose not to join that. aage's point sums it up perfectly: he voted for jfm because he was being an asshole, not because he was scumhunting. That seems to have been true for most of you too. I'm noting who is choosing not to own up to that, and who is actively defending that decision. And I'm especially noting the people who somehow think that those of us who weren't stupid enough to join a shitty wagon are scummy.

[dakky21]

I was successfully hidden for the night. I still don't understand why do I get the confirmation when the role clearly states - when hidden all actions directed towards me will be void - with that said, I don't think even a role-blocker could block the hiding? Hide should be first then all other actions, right?

I'm saying that because of the SW and blacky and the whole poisoning thing... perhaps someone has poison as passive ability, in example whoever visits you at night gets poisoned. That would explain why blacky got poisoned in the first place, if he visited the poisoner. Jfm was full of crap and now I don't believe that his vig action was to poison and then tell who to heal. What kind of Vigilante has a delayed kill with a possibility to retract it by telling the doctor who to heal? Complete and nonsense bullshit. I mean, if blacky got the message that he was poisoned, he would say it in the thread anyway and it would be up to doctor whether to heal him or not, not the Vig himself.

So perhaps Jfm lied about his role at the end of the day 2, about being a vigilante with a poison, and maybe the whole story about poison is going in a wrong direction.

Very bad play Jfm for a townie. Madmitch didn't play that badly.

[aage]

Definitely on Skoffin's side for this. The way he played that was... odd.

I doubt anyone will defend the way he played. But I recognized a wagon that was primarily based not on "this person's actions are evidence that he is scum," but rather based on "I don't like this person's actions," and I chose not to join that. aage's point sums it up perfectly: he voted for jfm because he was being an asshole, not because he was scumhunting. That seems to have been true for most of you too. I'm noting who is choosing not to own up to that, and who is actively defending that decision. And I'm especially noting the people who somehow think that those of us who weren't stupid enough to join a shitty wagon are scummy.

This I don't agree with. jfm's play was shitty for a towny, yes, but we didn't know that he was a towny. His play and his claims simply made no sense for a town player. I like to assume that I'm playing with reasonable people, and I figured he couldn't be town if he were reasonable. If he did turn out to be town, I considered it an acceptable loss because his play was utterly unreasonable. I basically said as much when I voted him:

Honestly even if this guy does turn out to be town I won't feel sorry, he's so full of shit.

So no, I don't think you are correct to say that voting him was stupid. The day 1 case was shitty, but when I voted jfm there were plenty of good reasons to do so. I think jfm played like an asshole, but he could just as easily have been scum.

[BuJaber]

Yeah that feels like mets preemptively defending himself for the heat that should go towards him.

But for today I don't want dakky alive any longer.
For one I don't think he's town. He's interpretting certain phrases that are clearly not alignment indicative as scummy in a very noobish way. Like all the 'scumtells' he's quoted are what a new player thinks a scumtell looks like but dakky is definitely not a new player. He was one of the jfm rolefishers day1.
And two no way we keep a person with a claim that powerful alive on lylo. And if we do end up lynching him on policy, we better do it while we can still afford mislynches.

Other than that, I need to start compiling lists of people who did scummy things in relation to jfm day 1, pershy day 1, and jfm day 2.

Also gut has been telling me that TX is scum but maybe it's because he's new. Having trouble trusting any read I form there.

Dakky/mets/TX is where I'm at

[Ragian]

After the last change of story, I honestly thought jmf would flip scum. At that point, however, he had already been lynched. At first, I didn't think he was scum (hence not voting for him), but I think that my thinking he was town actually looks worse now because only scum know who is town.

So, there's that...

Anyway, at this point I don't feel like I have any solid reads on anyone. I feel like I have learned nothing from the first two days. And I don't get why there are no nightkills. Did anyone get poisoned?

Lynchers D1: BuJ, skoffin, ZaBeast, dakky, chap, Sirius, Ragian, strike, Mets, Tobi
Lynchers D2: ZaBeast, Chap, dakky, skoffin, BuJ, Sirius, aage, blacky, strike

BuJ, ZaBeast, Chap, Skoffin, Dakky, Sirius, and Strike have lynched both days.
Pika and TX haven't lynched.

I'll ponder those pieces of information for a while...

[aage]

Yeah that feels like mets preemptively defending himself for the heat that should go towards him.

But for today I don't want dakky alive any longer.
For one I don't think he's town. He's interpretting certain phrases that are clearly not alignment indicative as scummy in a very noobish way. Like all the 'scumtells' he's quoted are what a new player thinks a scumtell looks like but dakky is definitely not a new player. He was one of the jfm rolefishers day1.
And two no way we keep a person with a claim that powerful alive on lylo. And if we do end up lynching him on policy, we better do it while we can still afford mislynches.

Other than that, I need to start compiling lists of people who did scummy things in relation to jfm day 1, pershy day 1, and jfm day 2.

Also gut has been telling me that TX is scum but maybe it's because he's new. Having trouble trusting any read I form there.

Dakky/mets/TX is where I'm at

To be fair to Mets, SW did say he would go after Mets whether jfm flipped town or scum, but I don't like that he's already trying to misuse my reasoning as a shield.

Regarding Dakky, his theory about another poisoner being in the game is... dumb. I don't have a real town read on him, maybe I'm letting him fly under the radar with his commuter claim.
Do you think we're so close to LyLo that something should be done about it, BuJ? Do you think he's more likely to be scum than Mets or you other suspect, TX?

pf by rag
Didn't we lynch the poisoner?