INTO THE DEEP (COMPLETE - Mafia Win !!)

[Skoffin]

aage specifically said he trusted buj based on an action aage performed. No one has stated they diverted aages action. There really is no reason to consider buj more scummy thasn anyone else. There is the faintest possibility that someone affected what aage found out, but that is so statistically unlikely that is would be ridiculous to consider that more likely than simply " aage found out buh had a town role and announced it". So yeah leave brittany alone.

and in my defence I barely reacted to it because i am taking all the drugems until I feel vaguely alive gain

[chapcrap]

N1, I switched strike wolf and Ragian. No real reason why. Just wanted to switch someone so that I could advance up my role tree and get bonus abilities and whatnot. I was successful. This explains why blacky was poisoned. I switched him into Ragian. Did Blacky state that he visited SW N1?

Yes.

So, BuJ claimed to have been poisoned, but visited Skoffin. Unlikely, IMO. A THIRD poisoner? More likely, he attempted to visit sw and got bussed into a poison. Super scummy from blacky. Here's where you lose me. Why is Blacky scummy because of what BuJ does? Number 1, why would you visit sw? Number 2, why would you lie about it. I could be wrong and there is a third poisoner, but we've already heard from 2 other people with the ability to move people in the night and neither did anything with BuJ.

I meant to say BuJ was super scummy. I have conflated the two of them in my head at times. I've worked hard to not put that on paper and separate them in my head, but messed up there.

Buj ragepost

There's a lot of stuff that neess rereading because that's just too many claims to really understand the whole thing.

But let's all thank chapcrap for outing himself as scum, I mean he must have taken pity on town, and I appreciate his efforts to make the game fair.
BUT basically since aage in his DYING BREATH told you all I was town, and he now flipped town, so you know he isn't lying, and none of the THREE redirector claims have targetted aage, you know damb well I'm town but you wanna lynch me?

Not on my watch you scummy morsel. Eat rope.
And FOS on everyone who saw that and went "hmm yeah maybe but maybe you're wrong". You guys know he's wrong about me, why are you being nice to scum and giving him a chance to backtrack and claim he made a mistake. It's too late for anyone to claim they redirected aage, the time for lies is over, none of the redirectors can change their story. So he's trying to lynch confirmed town. I'm disappoinred hy everyone's mild reaction.

We're about to go through every little claim and sniff out the liars. Because I think we've all just about had it with all the people essentially claiming the same damn roles. Anybody who wants to help list everything we know in the order of claims is welcome to. It's a big job that will take some time but we have to do it right.

And after we're done we're lynching chap.

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BuJ, no where did aage confirm anything. His role wasn't investigatory. So... overreach much? Just because I feel like I caught you in a lie and a scum move (visiting the doc at night), does not mean I am scum. That's some crazy logic right there.

aage specifically said he trusted buj based on an action aage performed. No one has stated they diverted aages action. There really is no reason to consider buj more scummy thasn anyone else. There is the faintest possibility that someone affected what aage found out, but that is so statistically unlikely that is would be ridiculous to consider that more likely than simply " aage found out buh had a town role and announced it". So yeah leave brittany alone.

and in my defence I barely reacted to it because i am taking all the drugems until I feel vaguely alive gain

Umm, there is reason. I just posted it yesterday. I don't know why we would go with a dead man's partial knowledge over mine. Why would his less information get more weight than my full information?

[Skoffin]

we know aage was town and what his role should do? look I don't know i'm not a scientist

[chapcrap]

we know aage was town and what his role should do? look I don't know i'm not a scientist

So, in his role as a silencer, we think he found out that BuJ was without a doubt town? You're right, I actually do have science degrees and that sounds nothing like science. Sounds like speculation.

[Pikanchion]

Metsfanmax was the Kidnapper/Silencer, aage was a Necromancer/Graverobber.

[Pikanchion]

I am still working on my post btw, put about 6 hours into it so far.

[chapcrap]

Metsfanmax was the Kidnapper/Silencer, aage was a Necromancer/Graverobber.

Quite right. My comment still stands.

[chapcrap]

Pending Pika's negative post about me, from what I see, this is what I was expecting. I expected buy-in from Ragian, sw, TX, and ZaB. I expected push back from BuJ and Pika. I expected that one of Skoff/Tobi would not be happy (I was leaning Skoff). I was on the fence about SK, who we haven't heard from. Probably scummy, IMO. I'm leaning townie for blacky, he hasn't really weighed in either. To me, this is just confirming alignments that I had in the back of my head.

Can't wait to see what Pika is working so diligently on. *eats popcorn*

[ZaBeast]

we know aage was town and what his role should do? look I don't know i'm not a scientist

So, in his role as a silencer, we think he found out that BuJ was without a doubt town? You're right, I actually do have science degrees and that sounds nothing like science. Sounds like speculation.

Your whole case on BuJ lying rests on you saying it can only be from a 3rd poisoner yet you haven't offered any reasoning as to why.
And I for one have no idea what a grave robber does, and I don't see how you can be certain it can't get any investigative-type results. You see, my role name (town drug addict) comes from the fact that my favorite food is fish, especially puffer-fish, which gets me high. It gives no information on what my night actions are. It might be the same thing with a grave robber, I can't tell.

I haven't said it yet (and it's pretty irrelevant), but my specie is the dolphin (bottlenose dolphin to be exact).

[chapcrap]

we know aage was town and what his role should do? look I don't know i'm not a scientist

So, in his role as a silencer, we think he found out that BuJ was without a doubt town? You're right, I actually do have science degrees and that sounds nothing like science. Sounds like speculation.

Your whole case on BuJ lying rests on you saying it can only be from a 3rd poisoner yet you haven't offered any reasoning as to why.

Seems unlikely to have a third poisoner when there has been so much poison talk previously and we've only had two poisons once (when jfm was alive) and never had 3 in one night. I did pretty much state that already. I let the rest be inferred. Seems very logical. If there were three, why weren't there 3 on N1? Or 2 on N2? Or even 2 last night? That's a lot of chance happening to just now get a third poisoner involved.

Either way, I'm not advocating lynching BuJ. That's my case to not have a healer heal him. But that is their (his/her/whoever) choice. I'm not voting for BuJ because I see no reason to lynch someone who will die anyway if I just sit on the sidelines.

That's why my lynchable list for today was ZaB (you), TX, Pika, SK, and blacky.

For me, I have it narrowed to Pika and SK.

[Pikanchion]

(I know there is at least 1 scum because my bonus ability explicitly states the word 'scum')

This is admittedly a long shot but are all of the following true about your bonus ability (I just need a yes/no answer overall, say no if even just one is false):
— You were told it on Night 2
— It is split over four bullet points
— The word "scum" is contained only within the first bullet point
— The third bullet point does not begin with a capital letter (the other three do)
— The last two bullet points both end with the word "night"

[BuJaber]

(I know there is at least 1 scum because my bonus ability explicitly states the word 'scum')

This is admittedly a long shot but are all of the following true about your bonus ability (I just need a yes/no answer overall, say no if even just one is false):
— You were told it on Night 2
— It is split over four bullet points
— The word "scum" is contained only within the first bullet point
— The third bullet point does not begin with a capital letter (the other three do)
— The last two bullet points both end with the word "night"

Yes you got them all..
How??

[Pikanchion]

The same way as aage did. It turns out that both myself and aage made use of pershy's ability that night, myself on aage, and aage on you. I used it as a bonus ability (I went for food on the first night), and aage presumably as his regular action (as this fits the Necromancer/Grave Robber description). Perhaps it is time to make use of the rest of your PM from that night?

[ZaBeast]

Seems unlikely to have a third poisoner when there has been so much poison talk previously and we've only had two poisons once (when jfm was alive) and never had 3 in one night. I did pretty much state that already. I let the rest be inferred. Seems very logical. If there were three, why weren't there 3 on N1? Or 2 on N2? Or even 2 last night? That's a lot of chance happening to just now get a third poisoner involved.

I still would rather give more weight to Aage's word than jfm's
fped by pika

[BuJaber]

The same way as aage did. It turns out that both myself and aage made use of pershy's ability that night, myself on aage, and aage on you. I used it as a bonus ability (I went for food on the first night), and aage presumably as his regular action (as this fits the Necromancer/Grave Robber description). Perhaps it is time to make use of the rest of your PM from that night?

Without knowing who I visited after Tobi's redirection, the rest of my PM is useless.



@chap - I am not claiming for sure that there is a 3rd poisoner. I just really really really really doubt that skoffin can poison also, because if I had been successful I would have received something else in the PM, but as it stands I either got roleblocked or redirected. But nobody else has said they targetted me last night for once. I believe skoffin's ability made sure my action failed and someone else bit me. Otherwise skoffin did both which is too powerful imo.

[BuJaber]

Unless the biting has nothing to do with the poisoning, which is the most absurd explanation compared to the others.

[ZaBeast]

Without knowing who I visited after Tobi's redirection, the rest of my PM is useless.

I redirected tobi, I know you said your pm might imply you've been redirected but I don't see how that would have happened.
@pika, how clear was it that you've been redirected?

[Pikanchion]

Without knowing who I visited after Tobi's redirection, the rest of my PM is useless.

I redirected tobi, I know you said your pm might imply you've been redirected but I don't see how that would have happened.
@pika, how clear was it that you've been redirected?

I was told my vision became blurred (consistent with the claim of the misdirection being due to the squid's ink) and explicitly that I could not see whomever it was I eventually used my action upon on the night when Tobikera misdirected me.

[BuJaber]

Blurred is different I think, because I got something about suddenly being unable to see. Once Tobi explained his role in detail, I made the connection, though I still hesitate to jump to conclusions as there is room for other explanations. Scum will lie when claiming, we have limited info.

So that's why I think Tobi misdirected me.

The reason why I now know for sure now that I was misdirected is because metsfan died.

[Tobikera]

Without knowing who I visited after Tobi's redirection, the rest of my PM is useless.

I redirected tobi, I know you said your pm might imply you've been redirected but I don't see how that would have happened.
@pika, how clear was it that you've been redirected?

I was told my vision became blurred (consistent with the claim of the misdirection being due to the squid's ink) and explicitly that I could not see whomever it was I eventually used my action upon on the night when Tobikera misdirected me.

Some of my ink must be leaking...my brain seems blurred.

I went back an re-read my N2 PM from the Mod. Basically, as I have paraphrased before it says:
"I went off to find my prey, I felt a bump, but I continued through the night till I found my prey."

On N1 and N3, the PM was much shorter, simply indicating that I was successful misdirecting my prey.

So, based on what the Mod told me, I found my prey (BuJaber) on N2, but did not misdirect him...I just found him.

Not sure this is of any help at all to y'alls deliberations, but there it is. Presumably, the N2 "bump" was Pika misdirecting me, or attempting to?

[TX AG 90]

The reason why I now know for sure now that I was misdirected is because metsfan died.

What!?!

[Pikanchion]

Okay, it has become abundantly clear that I will not get the entire post finished tonight. I will post the first of either two or three parts for now, which contains only things people have explicitly claimed with some observations. Some (for example Ragian) have claimed things that appear likely fit a category on this post but for which I cannot be sure (in Ragian's case "Passive Poisoner", presumably the name of a Night Action Role) and in those cases I have not included said information, clarification would be appreciated. I'll continue after I've slept with the other part(s), for which I have already selected about 30 posts I wish to highlight or comment on and have a rough idea of what I wish to say.

Self-Claims:

Player—Role(Night Action Role)—Action—Bonus Action—Species—Favourite Food—Salinity
(Confirmed/Claimed/Unknown)

Example—Town Runner(Unknown)—Immune to "night attacks"—Unknown—Unknown—Octopus/Squid/Bony Fish—Saltwater

— DEAD —
pershy—Town Wiretapper(Detective)—Receive result of another's action—Unknown—Leech—Anything Bloody—Unknown
jfm10—Town Assassin(Vigilante)—Poison target—Unknown—Angelfish—Unknown [Sponge was mentioned, but specifically in relation to a different species of Angelfish]—Freshwater
dakky21—Town Hermit(Ambusher)—Immune to targeting OR learn the species of any visitor(s)—Unknown—Stingray [Technically unconfirmed, visually implied]—Unknown—Unknown
aage—Town Necromancer(Grave Robber)—Unknown—Unknown—Blue Manna Crab—Unknown—Unknown
Metsfanmax—Town Kidnapper(Silencer)—Unknown—Unknown—Electric Eel—Unknown—Unknown

— ALIVE —
blacky365—Unknown(Unknown)—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown
Tobikera—Unknown(Unknown)—Misdirect target's action—Misdirect three targets—Squid—Any Colourful Fish—Saltwater
Darin44/strike wolf—Town Doctor(Healer)—Prevent "kill actions" on target (includes poisoning), heal poison on target—Unknown—Axolotl—Unknown—Unknown
ZaBeast—Town Drug Addict(Unknown)—Redirect ("bump") target—Unknown—Bottlenose Dolphin—Pufferfish—Unknown
Skoffin—Unknown(Unknown)—Immune to attacks, discover attacker's species, bite attacker—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown
Pikanchion—Unknown(Unknown)—Unknown—Use the ability of the first killed Town player—Unknown—Unknown—Unspecified
BuJaber—Unknown(Unknown)—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown
chapcrap—Town Transporter(Unknown)—Swap the actions directed towards two targets—Swap an additional pairing and discover how many scum are in the pairings—Unknown—Unknown—Unspecified
TX AG 90—Town Priest(Healer)—Protect target OR cure poison on target—Protect self and two targets, reflecting all attacks—Clown Fish—Parasites—Unknown
Ragian—Town Psychopath(Unknown)—Poisons visitors—Unknown—Unknown—Small Animal Prey—Unspecified
Sirius Kase—Unknown(Unknown)—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown

Notes:
— The Example role is not consistent with player roles or role PMs; no Night Action Role, no mention of a bonus action, credit bonus objective revealed at start, information listed in a different order and with different emphasis (to my role PM anyway), etc.
— Salt/Freshwater designation appears to be fluff or otherwise irrelevant as multiple role PMs do not even contain this information (although perhaps only because it is obvious in those cases?)
— There are discrepancies with the level of detail provided on dead players; every role's Title and Night Action Role has been revealed, but some also had Species and/or Favourite Food listed. Does this mean something?
— Multiple roles are similar (but not exact) pairs; dakky21/Skoffin, strike wolf/TX AG 90, ZaBeast/Tobikera. Only for one of these pairings do we know the alignment of even one of the members, the idea that one of each is Town and the other Scum is certainly plausible.

[Tobikera]

Kudos to Pika for assembling this mass of info.

Because ChapCrap hasn't acknowledged my support of his schema (he still lists me with Skoffin as possible scum, even though I was one of the first to support his notions), nor followed me in voting of one of his top suspects:

UNVOTE PIKA

[ZaBeast]

I am beyond confused now.
My night action result clearly states I found my target and gave him a bump, redirecting him towards TX (the exact wording was something along the lines that he was going towards TX the last time I saw him.)
Nothing makes sense if tobi is the redirector, but if he isn't it would require either day chat or a way to communicate for the mafia team (to confirm the redirection has been successful. Granted if it's just a yes/no it would be fairly easy, but I didn't see anything of the sort at the beginning of d4 before tobi's post) or a fairly stupid mafia (making tobi claim the redirection without him knowing whether it was successful)

[Tobikera]

I am beyond confused now.
My night action result clearly states I found my target and gave him a bump, redirecting him towards TX (the exact wording was something along the lines that he was going towards TX the last time I saw him.)
Nothing makes sense if tobi is the redirector, but if he isn't it would require either day chat or a way to communicate for the mafia team (to confirm the redirection has been successful. Granted if it's just a yes/no it would be fairly easy, but I didn't see anything of the sort at the beginning of d4 before tobi's post) or a fairly stupid mafia (making tobi claim the redirection without him knowing whether it was successful)

It appears to me that you are trying to create doubt concerning my role and actions? Or, you are really, really confused. First, I assume you are talking about N3? The mod tersely told me my N3 action was successful (identical to N1), wherein I misdirected Pika. Pika confirmed he had been misdirected, just like Metsfanmax did on N1. I was not bumped on N3 (but was on N2). I have already given this info several times, with confirmations. Your scenarios seem fictitious to me, because nothing of what you suggest happened to me. IF it is honest confusion, hold it close, but don't try to create a new me with new actions and events....the real me is confusing enough to me as it is. Plus, to be honest, just how much proof or confirmation do you have to support your conjectures? By the way, I have, perhaps erroneously, been using the terms redirector and misdirector interchangeably. My role PM indicates that I am a master misdirector for town, not a redirector. Not sure there's a difference.