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Re: INTO THE DEEP (Day 4)

Postby Skoffin on Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:19 pm

chapcrap wrote:
Skoffin wrote: we know aage was town and what his role should do? look I don't know i'm not a scientist

So, in his role as a silencer, we think he found out that BuJ was without a doubt town? You're right, I actually do have science degrees and that sounds nothing like science. Sounds like speculation.


He was a grave robber. I assumed his role meant he copied pershy's investigative ability and used it on Buj. Am I understanding the role and aage's claims incorrectly?

chapcrap wrote:For me, I have it narrowed to Pika and SK.


Does SK mean me or Serius? Can we just use Serius and skoff.
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Re: INTO THE DEEP (Day 4)

Postby ZaBeast on Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:13 pm

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ZaBeast wrote:I am beyond confused now.
My night action result clearly states I found my target and gave him a bump, redirecting him towards TX (the exact wording was something along the lines that he was going towards TX the last time I saw him.)
Nothing makes sense if tobi is the redirector, but if he isn't it would require either day chat or a way to communicate for the mafia team (to confirm the redirection has been successful. Granted if it's just a yes/no it would be fairly easy, but I didn't see anything of the sort at the beginning of d4 before tobi's post) or a fairly stupid mafia (making tobi claim the redirection without him knowing whether it was successful)


It appears to me that you are trying to create doubt concerning my role and actions? Or, you are really, really confused. First, I assume you are talking about N3? The mod tersely told me my N3 action was successful (identical to N1), wherein I misdirected Pika. Pika confirmed he had been misdirected, just like Metsfanmax did on N1. I was not bumped on N3 (but was on N2). I have already given this info several times, with confirmations. Your scenarios seem fictitious to me, because nothing of what you suggest happened to me. IF it is honest confusion, hold it close, but don't try to create a new me with new actions and events....the real me is confusing enough to me as it is. Plus, to be honest, just how much proof or confirmation do you have to support your conjectures? By the way, I have, perhaps erroneously, been using the terms redirector and misdirector interchangeably. My role PM indicates that I am a master misdirector for town, not a redirector. Not sure there's a difference.

No, I'm talking about N2.
You were bumped, so I should have been successful in my redirection on N2 (and the results from the mod sure make it look like it too), but it doesn't seem to be the case as BuJ is claiming he's been redirected, and TX that he hasn't. Unless both TX and BuJ are lying (since Aage got a town result on BuJ I don't think it would be the case) and other than a bastard setup, the only way I could see that happening is if you were not a redirector and that someone else (on your scum team, because that would mean you're lying, and you know who the target is) is (because I have not redirected mets on N1 or pika on N3).
I can't have been roleblocked as my action was successful, and you confirmed it has been. You can't have been as BuJ claims to having been redirected (and it would be a stupid thing for scum to do because your action is not particularly helpful to town); I don't see how bussing could have been into play as, if, by some enormous coincidence, BuJ and TX were bussed, TX couldn't have been able to heal himself (as he would have ended up targeting BuJ). I'm trying to wrap my head around it and I really don't see how it makes sense other than you not being misdirector. Am I missing something?
I'll vote Tobi as I already had suspicions on him. I might unvote if another plausible scenario is proposed or occurs to me.

Is it me or is Sirius awfully quiet now that he's been told to not use iddle speculation as filler posts?
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Re: INTO THE DEEP (Day 4)

Postby ZaBeast on Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:19 pm

ZaBeast wrote:You can't have been [roleblocked]

To clarify, I have tried to ask the mod what kind of result I'd get if I targeted someone who didn't send an action or had been roleblocked and I didn't get an answer from him. I really hope I wouldn't get a hypothetical "what would have happened if target's action went through" result but I can't be sure. Either way it shouldn't apply here as the misdirector appears to not having been redirected.
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Re: INTO THE DEEP (Day 4)

Postby chapcrap on Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:22 pm

BuJaber wrote:@chap - I am not claiming for sure that there is a 3rd poisoner. I just really really really really doubt that skoffin can poison also, because if I had been successful I would have received something else in the PM, but as it stands I either got roleblocked or redirected. But nobody else has said they targetted me last night for once. I believe skoffin's ability made sure my action failed and someone else bit me. Otherwise skoffin did both which is too powerful imo.

BuJaber wrote:Unless the biting has nothing to do with the poisoning, which is the most absurd explanation compared to the others.

You're saying you doubt he poisoned and then every other explanation is absurd... Not sure which you want me to address...

If you really x4 doubt the Skoffin poisoned you, then how did you get poisoned? A third poisoner or you went to Ragian when I swapped him with sw...

Tobikera wrote:Kudos to Pika for assembling this mass of info.

Because ChapCrap hasn't acknowledged my support of his schema (he still lists me with Skoffin as possible scum, even though I was one of the first to support his notions), nor followed me in voting of one of his top suspects:

UNVOTE PIKA

Tobi, I thought I had stated that I felt that it Skoffin who was the scummy one. Regardless, needing my approval, doesn't seem necessary. At this point, I didn't want to just have us all rush to lynch Pika. You, sw, Rage, and TX have all supported the plan. It's fine with me if you unvote at this point. I think we need to discuss to make a clear decision.

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chapcrap wrote:For me, I have it narrowed to Pika and SK.


Does SK mean me or Serius? Can we just use Serius and skoff.

I meant Sirius. I do not think you should be lynched tonight. I do find you on the scummy side, but I when I have a list of 5 and only one is scummy, I do not think any of them should be lynched.

I think Tobi's role is confirmed. Is his alignment confirmed? No, but it seems like his role is. The only way that his role isn't confirmed is if he is scum and a different scum has the role and he is feigning that role. I find that unlikely. What would be the point?

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For BuJ, I want to understand the argument being made for him. Are you saying that aage knew his role from stealing pershy's role after pershy's death? That's why aage thought BuJ was a townie?

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Re: INTO THE DEEP (Day 4)

Postby Skoffin on Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:41 pm

A grave robber steals the action from a dead player. Pershy could investigate, so surely aage stole his action and investigated Buj and that is why aage was so sure Buj was town.

Another possibility could be that Ragoo has the choice between two actions - choose to self-defend/passive poison, or actively attack/poison. I mean if we are going to go to lengths to make theories to explain things then I'd say that is just as valid, if not more so, than trying to paint Buj as lying scum.
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Re: INTO THE DEEP (Day 4)

Postby Pikanchion on Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:37 am

BuJaber did your PM N2 contain more information than the version myself and aage recieved? From my end it does not look like you were misdirected... Ours was three lines of text for the night ability, followed by the five lines of the bonus ability.
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Re: INTO THE DEEP (Day 4)

Postby BuJaber on Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:59 am

I got 2 lines of text.

I was definitely misdirected though, the mets flip tells me that.

Chap maybe ragian has an active poisoning, maybe skoffin also poisons visitors, maybe somebody redirected me and lied, maybe there is a 3rd poisoner (assuming jfm wasn't just lying).

You can choose whatever explanation you want. All of them point to someone else.

Given that there are 3 misdirectors I'm now leaning towards explanation no 3. Somebody sent me to ragian maybe and lied about it maybe.

Which again begs the question why you are so interested in letting a townie die and why nobody other than skoffin and pika rejected the idea much.
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Re: INTO THE DEEP (Day 4)

Postby BuJaber on Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:01 am

In other words I received part of Mets' role PM and it doesn't match what it is in the flip.
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Re: INTO THE DEEP (Day 4)

Postby Ragian on Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:04 am

In all honesty, I haven't objected to or supported anything much of late because I have no friggin' clue what to think here. Whatever is put forward includes misdirection, redirection, a lack of direction, and a multitude of poisoners. It is beyond my inadequate skills to fathom this. I think Pika is scummy for his vote on me yesterday. I think Serius is scummy for his lack of posting apart from flavour speculation (or whatever you want to call it).

I'm only a passive poisoner. I have no night action whatsoever. I don't know what else you want me to clarify about my role, Pika.

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So, Tobi claims to be a misdirector and he successfully misdirected people on N1 and N3. On N2, he didn't. @BuJ, what is the issue with that? In a short sentence for thick people, please.
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Re: INTO THE DEEP (Day 4)

Postby Skoffin on Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:06 am

You have NO night action? :-s
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Re: INTO THE DEEP (Day 4)

Postby Ragian on Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:27 am

I'm a passive poisoner. It's not something I can direct anywhere. It's just when people touch me. Then I poison them. I can send in a night action going, "I want to poison Skoffin." I'm essentially a PGO. FYI, it only says that most get poisoned. I presume someone might be immune...

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Re: INTO THE DEEP (Day 4)

Postby chapcrap on Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:55 am

Ragian wrote:I'm a passive poisoner. It's not something I can direct anywhere. It's just when people touch me. Then I poison them. I can send in a night action going, "I want to poison Skoffin." I'm essentially a PGO. FYI, it only says that most get poisoned. I presume someone might be immune...

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Ragian, so you are saying that you could actively poison?

I really am lost on the conversation between Pika and BuJ. Can you explain what you are talking about?
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Re: INTO THE DEEP (Day 4)

Postby BuJaber on Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:24 pm

Ragian wrote:So, Tobi claims to be a misdirector and he successfully misdirected people on N1 and N3. On N2, he didn't. @BuJ, what is the issue with that? In a short sentence for thick people, please.


I'm saying that with Metsfan dead I now have proof that I WAS misdirected.
Maybe it was Tobi, and he just got a different PM so he's unsure if he was successful or not.
Or maybe he is lying.
Or maybe someone else did it.
That's for night 2.

For night 3 it appears I did not make it to skoffin, or I was blocked somehow because I didn't receive any results. I was also poisoned by a bite.

Is that clear now?
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Re: INTO THE DEEP (Day 4)

Postby ZaBeast on Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:59 pm

BuJaber wrote:In other words I received part of Mets' role PM and it doesn't match what it is in the flip.

Does it match other claims so far?

BuJaber wrote:For night 3 it appears I did not make it to skoffin, or I was blocked somehow because I didn't receive any results. I was also poisoned by a bite.
I didn't get any result on N1 when I targeted skoff as well (consistent with the commuter claim). Is there any flavor associated with your role that could let us know if it landed on someone else?
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Re: INTO THE DEEP (Day 4)

Postby ZaBeast on Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:27 pm

chapcrap wrote:I think Tobi's role is confirmed. Is his alignment confirmed? No, but it seems like his role is. The only way that his role isn't confirmed is if he is scum and a different scum has the role and he is feigning that role. I find that unlikely. What would be the point?

That's exactly why I'm confused, but maybe that's the point

I reread your claim chap, and I was wondering why you bussed 2 people you thought were town and 2 people you thought were scum. To make the most of your ability, wouldn't it make sense to bus all your town reads to try to get a list of 4 confirmed townies, or all your scum reads to try to get as many scum as possible in that pool of 4 people? Since you wanted to bus Ragian and SW to protect SW, why not bus 2 other town reads?
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Re: INTO THE DEEP (Day 4)

Postby Skoffin on Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:03 pm

Finding it pretty weird that ragoo has no actual night action himself when there seem to be several people with two even.

Where is everyone else? It is time we start making some decisions.
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Re: INTO THE DEEP (Day 4)

Postby chapcrap on Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:27 pm

ZaBeast wrote:
chapcrap wrote:I think Tobi's role is confirmed. Is his alignment confirmed? No, but it seems like his role is. The only way that his role isn't confirmed is if he is scum and a different scum has the role and he is feigning that role. I find that unlikely. What would be the point?

That's exactly why I'm confused, but maybe that's the point

I reread your claim chap, and I was wondering why you bussed 2 people you thought were town and 2 people you thought were scum. To make the most of your ability, wouldn't it make sense to bus all your town reads to try to get a list of 4 confirmed townies, or all your scum reads to try to get as many scum as possible in that pool of 4 people? Since you wanted to bus Ragian and SW to protect SW, why not bus 2 other town reads?

I don't think I really had great town reads. Idk. I wanted to bus Ragian and sw to attempt to protect sw. As far as the other side, I guess I was focused on finding scum.
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Re: INTO THE DEEP (Day 4)

Postby strike wolf on Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:11 pm

@Ragoo: if you don't have an active ability what did you gain from going after food?
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Re: INTO THE DEEP (Day 4)

Postby Sirius Kase on Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:41 pm

I got busy in RL and behind in this. I just finished page 59, and I see how Crapcrap has divided us into two groups. Divide and conquer! I want to read some more before I respond. His criteria for determining scum sounds strange, just swap people and he finds out whether one is scum? That would make him an investigator that drives a bus. Not asking, yet, since I have 2 pages to go and it might get cleared up by then.
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Re: INTO THE DEEP (Day 4)

Postby Sirius Kase on Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:15 pm

ZaBeast wrote:Is it me or is Sirius awfully quiet now that he's been told to not use iddle speculation as filler posts?


I was mostly offline for a day and out late last night. Some of you were very prolific with your posting. So, I'm still catching up. Very interested in what Pika said, about the investigative ability. I was afraid it was lost. It relates sorta to me, I'm not an investigator, or even a backup, but it sorta relates. Either we need Pika quite a bit or we don't want him at all.
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Re: INTO THE DEEP (Day 4)

Postby Ragian on Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:04 am

chapcrap wrote:
Ragian wrote:I'm a passive poisoner. It's not something I can direct anywhere. It's just when people touch me. Then I poison them. I can send in a night action going, "I want to poison Skoffin." I'm essentially a PGO. FYI, it only says that most get poisoned. I presume someone might be immune...

I'm a Box Jellyfish if anyone cares.

Ragian, so you are saying that you could actively poison?

No. Typo. It's supposed to "can't". I don't think I'm helping anyone get rid of the confusion when I forget a negation 8-[

BuJaber wrote:
Ragian wrote:So, Tobi claims to be a misdirector and he successfully misdirected people on N1 and N3. On N2, he didn't. @BuJ, what is the issue with that? In a short sentence for thick people, please.


I'm saying that with Metsfan dead I now have proof that I WAS misdirected.
Maybe it was Tobi, and he just got a different PM so he's unsure if he was successful or not.
Or maybe he is lying.
Or maybe someone else did it.
That's for night 2.

For night 3 it appears I did not make it to skoffin, or I was blocked somehow because I didn't receive any results. I was also poisoned by a bite.

Is that clear now?

Clear ish. But how does any of that incriminate Tobi?

strike wolf wrote:@Ragoo: if you don't have an active ability what did you gain from going after food?

Uh, UH! I know this! I can extend my tentacles towards three players (or prey or whatever the jargon is here) to investigate them. The ability hinges on there being a healer in the group, however, in which case no one is poisoned and I am told if there is scum amongst the three. If there's no healer, I poison two out of the three who then have two days to seek medical attention. High risk, high reward.
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Re: INTO THE DEEP (Day 4)

Postby Ragian on Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:05 am

Ragian wrote:
chapcrap wrote:
Ragian wrote:I'm a passive poisoner. It's not something I can direct anywhere. It's just when people touch me. Then I poison them. I can send in a night action going, "I want to poison Skoffin." I'm essentially a PGO. FYI, it only says that most get poisoned. I presume someone might be immune...

I'm a Box Jellyfish if anyone cares.

Ragian, so you are saying that you could actively poison?

No. Typo. It's supposed to be "can't". I don't think I'm helping anyone get rid of the confusion when I forget a negation 8-[

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Ragian wrote:So, Tobi claims to be a misdirector and he successfully misdirected people on N1 and N3. On N2, he didn't. @BuJ, what is the issue with that? In a short sentence for thick people, please.


I'm saying that with Metsfan dead I now have proof that I WAS misdirected.
Maybe it was Tobi, and he just got a different PM so he's unsure if he was successful or not.
Or maybe he is lying.
Or maybe someone else did it.
That's for night 2.

For night 3 it appears I did not make it to skoffin, or I was blocked somehow because I didn't receive any results. I was also poisoned by a bite.

Is that clear now?

Clear ish. But how does any of that incriminate Tobi?

strike wolf wrote:@Ragoo: if you don't have an active ability what did you gain from going after food?

Uh, UH! I know this! I can extend my tentacles towards three players (or prey or whatever the jargon is here) to investigate them. The ability hinges on there being a healer in the group, however, in which case no one is poisoned and I am told if there is scum amongst the three. If there's no healer, I poison two out of the three who then have two days to seek medical attention. High risk, high reward.

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Re: INTO THE DEEP

Postby Pikanchion on Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:45 am

Tobikera wrote:A healer was mentioned in my N1 info from the mod.

Was "Healer" the exact word used?
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Re: INTO THE DEEP (Day 4)

Postby Pikanchion on Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:19 am

Pikanchion wrote:BuJaber did your PM N2 contain more information than the version myself and aage recieved? From my end it does not look like you were misdirected... Ours was three lines of text for the night ability, followed by the five lines of the bonus ability.
BuJaber wrote:I got 2 lines of text.

Do you mean two in addition to the three I refer to or that you received only two that were not part of the bonus ability?
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Re: INTO THE DEEP (Day 4)

Postby Pikanchion on Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:26 am

TX AG 90 wrote:I healed myself N2 and was told by Mod that I was feeling better.

How was this message worded?
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