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[Ragian]

On phone. Welcome to the game, boys. Now, leave me alone. At least I did something D1 instead of sitting on my hands like all the saved ones now pointing their fingers.

[Ragian]

Why would you hold back anything? If you're town, you need other townies to know what you're thinking.

Because if your town you dont want scum painting a target on you

I don't know if I managed to comment on this before Razor was lynched (when, finally, a discussion unfolded), but I cannot sit idly while this is out there.

First, you do NOT paint a target on your back by sharing your thoughts. Sharing your thoughts is the only way for town to work together. No townie knows who the other townies are. Therefore, you must have access to the thoughts of others to solve this puzzle. When holding back as townie, you're doing town a disservice. Information is key. Information comes from discussion, talking, and sharing (and caring and loving and mutual consent); only rarely does it come from power roles. Mafia is a game of psychology, not technicalities. So, share! (A DBD aside: Town not sharing is the reason town has lost every single DBD mafia game so far. People sit on their hands afraid to do something because they think that their little town role is so important when in reality it's the unity of town that wins, not one town player.)

Second, should you be spot on and scum deem you too dangerous to keep around, town has a unique chance of digesting possible motives behind the nightkill. Was it because this one player knew too much/on to something? Was it because this player is generally good? Was it in order to set someone up?

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In case of this nighkill, my bet would be that scum knows aage's reputation and therefore wanted him dead. Him being a lyncher might explain why he was so after dakky. From past experience, a lyncher's target is town, which would suggest (suggest - not set in stone) that dakky is town.

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@jmf, why do you think Pika is scum for his insistence? I read him 100% differently for the exact same reason. (As stated D1.) Furthermore, why do you fault me solely for a bad scum read? Do you think that Razor did anything to warrant being kept in the game? (And may I add that your former self voted for him, too. As the second vote, I believe.) You yourself have already posted more insight on others than Razor did throughout D1 (this is a compliment FYI - even if I disagree with you). What about everyone else voting for him? Do they go free for following me? I put my nuts out there by stating my opinion and sticking to it. The rest joined on own volition.

Final question, jmf, what of the stuff you've read makes you think Tobi is town? (I want to see if we agree on some things at least.)

@tobi, I'll repeat: I'm banking on Pika being town for his insitence. In my experience, scum changes their opinion with no persuasive argument when meeting opposition in order not to stand out. Pika has not done so. So Pika is standing out. Scum wouldn't want to stand out. Scum wants to hide and let town eat itself.

[jfm10]

Why would you hold back anything? If you're town, you need other townies to know what you're thinking.

Postby chapcrap on Wed May 01, 2019 11:59 pm

dakky21 wrote:
Well how can someone confirm that VT role exists in a game where there should be only VT (and possibly some PR) vs scum if no one also claims VT? I said I believe Tobi role on behalf of my role and yeah, that was an OMGUS from Pika.

What? How was that OMGUS? You did the exact thing that everyone said was bad to do. The exact thing that Pika was already voting Tobi for. You have to be able to see that.

Because if your town you dont want scum painting a target on you

I don't know if I managed to comment on this before Razor was lynched (when, finally, a discussion unfolded), but I cannot sit idly while this is out there.

First, you do NOT paint a target on your back by sharing your thoughts. Sharing your thoughts is the only way for town to work together. No townie knows who the other townies are. Therefore, you must have access to the thoughts of others to solve this puzzle. When holding back as townie, you're doing town a disservice. Information is key. Information comes from discussion, talking, and sharing (and caring and loving and mutual consent); only rarely does it come from power roles. Mafia is a game of psychology, not technicalities. So, share! (A DBD aside: Town not sharing is the reason town has lost every single DBD mafia game so far. People sit on their hands afraid to do something because they think that their little town role is so important when in reality it's the unity of town that wins, not one town player.)

I understood tobi description of himself and i believe dakky recognizes it aswell and that is why i am voting pika to show him he is wrong

Second, should you be spot on and scum deem you too dangerous to keep around, town has a unique chance of digesting possible motives behind the nightkill. Was it because this one player knew too much/on to something? Was it because this player is generally good? Was it in order to set someone up?

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In case of this nighkill, my bet would be that scum knows aage's reputation and therefore wanted him dead. Him being a lyncher might explain why he was so after dakky. From past experience, a lyncher's target is town, which would suggest (suggest - not set in stone) that dakky is town.

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@jmf, why do you think Pika is scum for his insistence?see above I read him 100% differently for the exact same reason. (As stated D1.) Furthermore, why do you fault me solely for a bad scum read?collusion with pika and bad thoughts Do you think that Razor did anything to warrant being kept in the game?yes but not without revealing myself (And may I add that your former self voted for him, too. As the second vote, I believe.)it was also his last entry into game You yourself have already posted more insight on others than Razor did throughout D1 (this is a compliment FYI - even if I disagree with you). What about everyone else voting for him? Do they go free for following me? I put my nuts out there by stating my opinion and sticking to it. The rest joined on own volition.you know i always pick 2 players and find them guilty til they prove there innocense

Final question, jmf, what of the stuff you've read makes you think Tobi is town? (I want to see if we agree on some things at least.)
i recognize the description as i believe dakky does aswell

@tobi, I'll repeat: I'm banking on Pika being town for his insitence. In my experience, scum changes their opinion with no persuasive argument when meeting opposition in order not to stand out. Pika has not done so. So Pika is standing out. Scum wouldn't want to stand out. Scum wants to hide and let town eat itself.

[jfm10]

Because you and pika don't recognize it means you are not with the same group as us so yous have abilities,care to share what each of yous were doing last night,blacky aswell i reckon.

[Pikanchion]

I am at this point of the game (page 7) and with the stubborness of pikas insistence for a policy lynch has me pegging him as scum.Ragians view of pika has me thinking he may aswell be scum and just trying to distance himself but just got my eyes looking that way for now.

What's scummy about it?

I am positive tobi is town by what ive read.

That's not an to the question.

[jfm10]

I am at this point of the game (page 7) and with the stubborness of pikas insistence for a policy lynch has me pegging him as scum.Ragians view of pika has me thinking he may aswell be scum and just trying to distance himself but just got my eyes looking that way for now.

What's scummy about it?

I am positive tobi is town by what ive read.

That's not an to the question.

don't skim my 2nd post ago,answer is there in blue

[Tobikera]

@Ragian....

@tobi, I'll repeat: I'm banking on Pika being town for his insistence. In my experience, scum change their opinion with no persuasive argument when meeting opposition in order not to stand out. Pika has not done so. So Pika is standing out. Scum wouldn't want to stand out. Scum wants to hide and let town eat itself.

You make a good point here Rage, and, in general, I can't disagree. Perhaps Pika is being his analytical self when he basically says, "I know I'm right! Listen to me! Follow my rules! Don't get off the yellow brick road!". And, I was wrong about him in the other game. But, for now, pending other info, my vote stays.
P.S. Fixed your typos, English teacher...

[ZaBeast]

I don't really get your point jfm. Did I understood correctly that your reason behind voting pika is that you don't think he's a VT because you don't think he has a similar name from tobi? If so, don't you think your reasonning is a bit thin? And if that's your reason remember 1)names are just for flavor 2)raz was a VT and his name was something like "making sure the boxes are the right size" or something like that, so your assumption that all VTs have a similar name is invalid 3) pika doesn't even need to have a different name from tobi to be for his policy lynch.

Because you and pika don't recognize it means you are not with the same group as us so yous have abilities,care to share what each of yous were doing last night,blacky aswell i reckon.

That is very much role fishing. Also I don't get why you ask blacky to claim when you haven't expressed any suspicion towards him.

[Ragian]

@jmf, You supposing the following: 1) The mod is an idiot that creates a game that is unravelled via a mass claim D1. Nonsense. If something is added to all town role PMs, the scum team is informed of it. 2) Whoever doesn't explicitly state that they have the same phrased role PM are scum. Nonsense. A vanilla townie role and a town cop role are phrased differently.

Basically, what you're asking for is for everyone to claim in order to prove that they have a similar wording. Revealing everyone's roles will ONLY help scum. It's D2, not LYLO.

[jfm10]

I don't really get your point jfm. Did I understood correctly that your reason behind voting pika is that you don't think he's a VT because you don't think he has a similar name from tobi? If so, don't you think your reasonning is a bit thin? And if that's your reason remember 1)names are just for flavor 2)raz was a VT and his name was something like "making sure the boxes are the right size" or something like that, so your assumption that all VTs have a similar name is invalid 3) pika doesn't even need to have a different name from tobi to be for his policy lynch.

I am voting pika to let him know he is wrong about tobi.I never said anything about names

Because you and pika don't recognize it means you are not with the same group as us so yous have abilities,care to share what each of yous were doing last night,blacky aswell i reckon.

That is very much role fishing. Also I don't get why you ask blacky to claim when you haven't expressed any suspicion towards him.

@jmf, You supposing the following: 1) The mod is an idiot that creates a game that is unravelled via a mass claim D1. Nonsense. If something is added to all town role PMs, the scum team is informed of it. 2) Whoever doesn't explicitly state that they have the same phrased role PM are scum. Nonsense. A vanilla townie role and a town cop role are phrased differently.

Basically, what you're asking for is for everyone to claim in order to prove that they have a similar wording. Revealing everyone's roles will ONLY help scum. It's D2, not LYLO.

I am not asking for anyone else to claim yet at all.I am saying if you and pika are truly for town then your scum hunting should be directed at the remaining players as the scum are sitting back seeing 3 days of easy pickings from the way we normally play.

[Ragian]

Are you saying that I'm currently scumhunting someone who's not in the game? I don't follow...

[jfm10]

And what did I said some time ago... this game has no potential because VT are just VT and therefore can only vote ... and scum is only scum and can also vote but can also shit enough to confuse VT. So in vanilla game you need active town to make deductions but if that is not happening, the game is dead.

so it's better to vote someone you feel is town then to have a chance is scum?

[dgz345]

DGZ is suspicious to me for hammering Raz when he did. Ther r was still time for discussion and honestly the way thst whole bandwagon took off to L-1 earlier in the day struck me as odd too.

only reason i did was to follow the wagon cause deadline was comming up. nothing else than that.

and there was no time for discussion when i placed my vote.

i placed my vote saturday and deadline was sunday and i would not be able to be here sunday. i placed my vote as soon as i could.

but i did not know that i had the hammer i guess i did as the mod and not counter properly.

[jfm10]

I'm fine voting for Razorvich, Tobikera, or dakky21. I won't switch my vote right now though as regardless of whether I vote for dakky21 or Razorvich it'll be three votes vs two.

that right there is a list of 3 townies

[Pikanchion]

I'm fine voting for Razorvich, Tobikera, or dakky21. I won't switch my vote right now though as regardless of whether I vote for dakky21 or Razorvich it'll be three votes vs two.

that right there is a list of 3 townies

Your proof?

[Ragian]

I think you're confusing knowledge with conjecture. You'll know who is town and who is scum when they're dead. The rest can be fiddled with. Again, I'll point to my post above: Of course the mod hasn't created a game where people can just compare role PMs and then whoever doesn't get it is out.

[jfm10]

I'm fine voting for Razorvich, Tobikera, or dakky21. I won't switch my vote right now though as regardless of whether I vote for dakky21 or Razorvich it'll be three votes vs two.

that right there is a list of 3 townies

Your proof?

This should be the easiest mafia game i have ever seen

I am a child with my entire family here.Just the sway of votes on the remaining have the two or three scum pinched

[Ragian]

So you have no proof?

[dgz345]

I'm fine voting for Razorvich, Tobikera, or dakky21. I won't switch my vote right now though as regardless of whether I vote for dakky21 or Razorvich it'll be three votes vs two.

that right there is a list of 3 townies

Your proof?

This should be the easiest mafia game i have ever seen

I am a child with my entire family here.Just the sway of votes on the remaining have the two or three scum pinched

I assume your role is a child and you are in the store with your family. But do you know 100% that your parents not are scum?

[blacky365]

I'm fine voting for Razorvich, Tobikera, or dakky21. I won't switch my vote right now though as regardless of whether I vote for dakky21 or Razorvich it'll be three votes vs two.

that right there is a list of 3 townies

Your proof?

This should be the easiest mafia game i have ever seen

I am a child with my entire family here.Just the sway of votes on the remaining have the two or three scum pinched

I assume your role is a child and you are in the store with your family. But do you know 100% that your parents not are scum?

A child killing someone is not the craziest thing to happen, what if scum team is made up of;
Child - killed someone (accident?)
Parents - protecting their child

And there you have a team of 3 which is probably about right in a game of this size!

This is just a thought

[dakky21]

To be honest I don't get the non flavor vs. flavor things. So MOD says it's just flavor while blacky's reasoning has some sense. It is entirely possible that a child killed someone and thrown things off the shelves but then again if that is just flavor then WTF. I'm lost here. I actually believe jfm to be a "child with his family", but since it's just flavor, anyone can come with a similar role claim since we are in the store... anyone can say they're.. I don't know.. rushing through the store to get groceries or replacing old items with new ones... or whatever. If it's just flavor then whoever claims anything it's not really important.

[blacky365]

To be honest I don't get the non flavor vs. flavor things. So MOD says it's just flavor while blacky's reasoning has some sense. It is entirely possible that a child killed someone and thrown things off the shelves but then again if that is just flavor then WTF. I'm lost here. I actually believe jfm to be a "child with his family", but since it's just flavor, anyone can come with a similar role claim since we are in the store... anyone can say they're.. I don't know.. rushing through the store to get groceries or replacing old items with new ones... or whatever. If it's just flavor then whoever claims anything it's not really important.

You are quite right with this... I guess my point was that just because JFM says he is a child does not mean he is innocent.

[jfm10]

I'm fine voting for Razorvich, Tobikera, or dakky21. I won't switch my vote right now though as regardless of whether I vote for dakky21 or Razorvich it'll be three votes vs two.

that right there is a list of 3 townies

Your proof?

This should be the easiest mafia game i have ever seen

I am a child with my entire family here.Just the sway of votes on the remaining have the two or three scum pinched

I assume your role is a child and you are in the store with your family. But do you know 100% that your parents not are scum?

A child killing someone is not the craziest thing to happen, what if scum team is made up of;
Child - killed someone (accident?)
Parents - protecting their child

And there you have a team of 3 which is probably about right in a game of this size!

This is just a thought

The family are the VT and it is realistically possible that Razor was one of the parents but it is important to me to let the remaining members of the family know who i am.I am also confident Pika is scum.A psycho family out on a stroll through a store...Come on WTF

First, you do NOT paint a target on your back by sharing your thoughts. Sharing your thoughts is the only way for town to work together. No townie knows who the other townies are. Therefore, you must have access to the thoughts of others to solve this puzzle. When holding back as townie, you're doing town a disservice. Information is key. Information comes from discussion, talking, and sharing (and caring and loving and mutual consent); only rarely does it come from power roles. Mafia is a game of psychology, not technicalities. So, share! (A DBD aside: Town not sharing is the reason town has lost every single DBD mafia game so far. People sit on their hands afraid to do something because they think that their little town role is so important when in reality it's the unity of town that wins, not one town player.)

That's a quote from you Ragian

[Ragian]

Oh my God, jmf. We're not at a murder mystery where clues are left in the description. This is mafia where you try to look at people's post, voting, and behaviour. This is not Sherlock Holmes.

Why did you quote me without using it? I said it like five posts ago, so I think people can recall it.

[jfm10]

Oh my God, jmf. We're not at a murder mystery where clues are left in the description. This is mafia where you try to look at people's post, voting, and behaviour. This is not Sherlock Holmes.

Why did you quote me without using it? I said it like five posts ago, so I think people can recall it.

I used that quote because i believe what i am saying will help allow town to finally win a game.