Russian peacekeeping forces enter Ukraine

[bigtoughralf]

I'm going to Belgrade soon actually. What's there to do there beyond the obvious tourist stuff?

[JdeV 100]

What's there to do there beyond the obvious tourist stuff?

It's a good place to check in with Kremlin handlers. Possibly the only option right now.

[bigtoughralf]

What's there to do there beyond the obvious tourist stuff?

It's a good place to check in with Kremlin handlers. Possibly the only option right now.

So you don't know what country Belgrade's in, cool.

[JdeV 100]

What's there to do there beyond the obvious tourist stuff?

It's a good place to check in with Kremlin handlers. Possibly the only option right now.

So you don't know what country Belgrade's in, cool.

I daresay my geography will put yours to shame, not cool! Have a lovely vacay. Take your time.

[bigtoughralf]

Oh don't worry, I never rush.

[saxitoxin]

Oh don't worry, I never rush.

from your posts in this thread, I figured you'd be a-rushin'

[saxitoxin]

Just hours ago, the mass rally "A WORLD WITHOUT NAZISM" concluded in Moscow. More than 200,000 people turned-out to hear President Putin speak about the ongoing De-Nazification operation in Ukraine.

[jusplay4fun]

Yugoslavia and Tito, even though they were Communists, resisted "entanglements" to the Soviets under Stalin.

There was however, some assistance from the Soviet Army to help expel the Nazis in WW2:

The Yugoslav Partisans were able to expel the Axis from Serbia in 1944 and the rest of Yugoslavia in 1945. The Red Army provided limited assistance with the liberation of Belgrade and withdrew after the war was over.

In May 1945, the Partisans met with Allied forces outside former Yugoslav borders, after also taking over Trieste and parts of the southern Austrian provinces of Styria and Carinthia. However, the Partisans withdrew from Trieste in June of the same year under heavy pressure from Stalin, who did not want a confrontation with the other Allies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslavia#World_War_II

[jusplay4fun]

Just hours ago, the mass rally "A WORLD WITHOUT NAZISM" concluded in Moscow. More than 200,000 people turned-out to hear President Putin speak about the ongoing De-Nazification operation in Ukraine.

pukin' putin must be using the Trump plan of letting Political Rallies convince him that the vast majorities of Russians back the "Butcher of Ukraine." And he ignores his rebelling conscripts in the Army. Smart move.

[jusplay4fun]

...............jusplay4fun
Nothing I said was incorrect with regards to Yugoslavia (or SFRY, as you want to refer to that former nation)..................
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jusplay4fun wrote:
I think somewhat forgot the Marshall Plan. Oh, that's right, Serbia was taken over BY RUSSIAN troops. You did not get American aid, and neither did Ukraine.

How did THAT work out for Serbia? Empty shelves and Yu-(DON't)-go-s to drive? well done, well done....

How did West Germany do? Did they do OKAY after the WAR?? gee, I D K...!

No wonder you're jealous....................
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SFRY or Yugoslavia or Serbia never was occupy by Russian troops or USSR troops.
You compare West Germany with who?? You say you are right and read history but again you write something what its not true facts.
Ottomans, Austro-hungarians, Third Reich -they invade and occupy Serbia---USSR or Russia never occupy ,, but maybe you know something what i dont?

I do; see my latest response to you and your narrow and myopic view of the world.

And if you quote me, please avoid excessive use of extra punctuation or symbols that I did NOT USE. Keep your punctuation to yourself.

...LoL.....

[Qwert]

quick reply can not quote.
So you say US dont give aid toYugoslavia?

All the Communist European Countries had deferred to Stalin and rejected the Marshall Plan aid in 1947. Tito, at first went along and rejected the Marshall plan. However, in 1948 Tito broke decisively with Stalin on other issues, making Yugoslavia an independent communist state. Yugoslavia requested American aid. American leaders were internally divided, but finally agreed and began sending money on a small scale in 1949, and on a much larger scale 1950–53. The American aid was not part of the Marshall plan.
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Anyway back to Ukraine> Ukraine claim that Russia lost 14200 soldier +1000 pow .. also destroyed equipment
77 aircraft
90 helicopters
389 tanks
1249 armoured vehicles
150 artilery pieces
64 mlrs
617 vehicles
3 vesel
34 anti aircraft system
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lets remind manpower
Rusian army 190000 soldier+DPR 20000+ LPR 14000<< vs>>Ukrainian Armed Forces 209000+102000 paramilitar+900000 reserves+ 20000 foreign volunteers
total Russian+allies=224000 vs Ukraine+allies=1230000
Still can not understand why Ukraine demand any help from US and West, they all have all advantage in manpower in terrain now i belive that also in military equipment they have big advantage. My prediction its that Russian army will collapse in 7 days and that Ukrainian army will conduct big offensive and will crush entire Russian army in 7 days. (these its my prediction according what i see on sources from Ukraine and Western media,, if im wrong dont blame me)

[jusplay4fun]

I said earlier:

Qwert has yet to tell me what I failed to grasp to understand what is going on. I see no need for the USA to give any additional money to any former Yugoslavian group or ethnicity. The USA led a coalition to stop the killing and episodes of ethnic cleansing attempted by the dominant political entities. Again, I assert that Qwert is jealous that Serbia gets no significant USA money and no more world attention. PERIOD.

Essentially that post is correct. I did mistakenly say that Soviet troops occupied the former Yugoslavia; I admit that. But Qwert fails, so far, to acknowledge the assistance given to the Serbs by the Russians to help expel the Nazis.

AND honestly, I do not want to discuss Serbia, anymore, especially NOT here. The NEWS is Ukraine, not what happened in 1945 or in the 1990s. I suppose that this is the only place Qwert can get any attention to and about his corner of the world, without Serbia resorting to another round of war. That war is OVER; however, skirmishes and disagreements may continue.

AND on Ukraine, what about the IDEA that Ukraine needs help to DRIVE out Russian INVADERS bombing and destroying Ukrainian buildings, homes, hospital, and more. Oh, did I mention dead Ukrainians, including civilians and CHILDREN? Maybe THAT is why Ukrainians ASK for Western assistance???? YA THINK...??????

[Qwert]

Ok, and why west Europe and US dont react? West Europe and US hesitate and more and more civilians will die. Sending only javelines and stingers will only slow advantage of Russians ,will not stop the war. To much talk about love toward Ukraine and in the end Ukraine will be forced to make peace agreement with Russia , and will probably lose Doneck and Luhansk and Crimea in a way that will recognize these changes.
Everybody say Russia are aggressor and dont understand that siting from side and watch all these and dont do nothing then you also get part of responsibility for all what happening right now.

[jusplay4fun]

Ok, and why west Europe and US dont react? West Europe and US hesitate and more and more civilians will die. Sending only javelines and stingers will only slow advantage of Russians ,will not stop the war. To much talk about love toward Ukraine and in the end Ukraine will be forced to make peace agreement with Russia , and will probably lose Doneck and Luhansk and Crimea in a way that will recognize these changes.
Everybody say Russia are aggressor and dont understand that siting from side and watch all these and dont do nothing then you also get part of responsibility for all what happening right now.

Simple. President Biden clearly understands this: The West does not want WW3. To quote Einstein:

Albert Einstein is often quoted as having said: "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones".

[Dukasaur]

...............jusplay4fun
Nothing I said was incorrect with regards to Yugoslavia (or SFRY, as you want to refer to that former nation)..................
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jusplay4fun wrote:
I think somewhat forgot the Marshall Plan. Oh, that's right, Serbia was taken over BY RUSSIAN troops. You did not get American aid, and neither did Ukraine.

How did THAT work out for Serbia? Empty shelves and Yu-(DON't)-go-s to drive? well done, well done....

How did West Germany do? Did they do OKAY after the WAR?? gee, I D K...!

No wonder you're jealous....................
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SFRY or Yugoslavia or Serbia never was occupy by Russian troops or USSR troops.
You compare West Germany with who?? You say you are right and read history but again you write something what its not true facts.
Ottomans, Austro-hungarians, Third Reich -they invade and occupy Serbia---USSR or Russia never occupy ,, but maybe you know something what i dont?

USSR never occupied Yugoslavia… but Yugoslavia was still a puppet state in the orbit of Moscow.

You can pretend that’s not true, but you’d be wrong.

He would not.

Yugoslavia, Albania and (to a lesser degree) Romania were all non-satellite socialist states. Yugoslavia was even in an anti Soviet military alliance with Greece and Turkey until 1960 and would potentially have ended up fighting on NATO's side if there were a war on Europe.

Not very often I agree with saxi, but that was a plausible scenario.

[bigtoughralf]

AND honestly, I do not want to discuss Serbia, anymore

Think this statement is about as close as jp comes to conceding a point.

[jusplay4fun]

AND honestly, I do not want to discuss Serbia, anymore

Think this statement is about as close as jp comes to conceding a point.

ralf apparently missed this in the same post by ME:

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I did mistakenly say that Soviet troops occupied the former Yugoslavia;

ralf again shows the depth of his thinking and reading; i.e., shallow and superfluous. No wonder I usually ignore ralf; what he posts is worthless. There is NOTHING NEW here.

[saxitoxin]

I usually ignore ralf

...

Does repeatedly, loudly announcing you're ignoring ralf actually count as ignoring ralf?

[jusplay4fun]

I usually ignore ralf

...

Does repeatedly, loudly announcing you're ignoring ralf actually count as ignoring ralf?

Usually does not mean always; not even you are wrong all the time, but you are wrong, here, again, and repeatedly. Wow, saxi, how wrong can you be?

[ConfederateSS]

--------------Well help from Soviet Stalin in WW2....The West could have avoided it...But 1st the West can thank the Berlin loser with no military strategy...Not only did He take on England, France , He turned To attack Russia, sure he shut down France, But lost the Battle of Britain and with all those Panzers sitting around, He sent them East...Wait it gets better....The Japanese Empire attacked the USA, FDR had no Idea after declaring war on Japan...How would he go about declaring War on Germany....Well the idiot in Berlin helped FDR....Hitler Declared War on the USA... Mussolini made the same mistake, FDR had no wish to declare war on Italy either, or how to go about it...
---------------Now back to the West...Hitler wrote in his book...He wanted the vast land of Russia...He had no intention of going West...He actually admired England...But to goe East and take Russia... German troops had to go through Poland...Instead of signing a non agression pact with Stalin...He should have signed an allied ship with Poland, the two of them invade the Soviet Union...Would have kept England and France out of Honoring their protection of Poland...If only the West read Hitler's book..Took him at face value...Here we go again...Last year Putin...gave a speech on what he was going to do...NATO , the EU wasn't with Ukraine...But the USA alone could of signed an Allied Ship with Ukraine...Last Year...Or poured weapons and money in last year...

----------------War is War it is not a Picnic...That is why it is called war...
----------------1)... American Generals brag about how they would be handling the War in Ukraine...Why Putin tactics suck...U.S. Senators and Reps. yapping on T.V....Putin's attack on civilians...With the weaponry of The USA...If instead of taking...house by house in Iraq, Afghanistan...Just leveled city after city...The USA would have had very little causalities, over the past 20 years...For a country like Russia who won the Battle of Stalingrad, I wouldn't lecture them on urban warfare...
-----------------2)... As far as attacking civilians...Maybe the USA leaders should say, "Putin is like Pres. Lincoln, Union Generals...Grant(Pres.),Sherman, Sheridan, Custer...As they attacked Southern Civilians,later Native Americans...In The War Between The States...Sherman made it an Art Form...On the Southern side...General LEE...told his troops, when in Maryland and Pennsylvania...Leave the Yankee Civilians alone, don't bother them...You could Look out your house, Watch a whole Confederate Army just March on by like a Parade...

----------------Later Pres. Grant , and Generals Like Sheridan and Custer would Attack Native American Women and Children across the Plains out West...That was O.K...As long as The USA fulfilled it's quest for Manifest Destiny, it's O.K. when The USA does it... ...War is War...Who ever is doing it...But it is the Victors that write the History...If Putin wins , the Eastern part of Ukraine... Ukraine takes the West in a settlement... Nothing will come of one calling one War Crimes...
----------------But those Senators/Reps. coming from Washington D.C., should get off their high horses, keep their mouth shut...Will The U.S. Military be sent South to the Border???...Where is Billions of Aid being sent to our Border States???...When 100,000s of Americans are dying across the USA, yes, women and children too, Open Borders, drugs, crime...etc...The NATION involved, responsible.....CHINA...there is where the sanctions , boycotting should be directed...Not just because of Covid being unleashed upon the world... Chinese Nationals brain washing the American people, the flood our Education,all other sectors of American life...They are responsible for the drugs pouring into The USA...Backing the Cartel in Mexico... Mexico's President is their puppet, like Biden in Washington D.C....If anyone should face War Crimes, it should be Big Tech, The LEFT Media for making sure Biden got elected, telling lies...Putting the World, not just America, in the fix the world is in...Facebook, Twitter, Google, etc... All the Left news networks...All the owners need to be held accountable, before Putin...They made Putin's War possible, soon XI's War in the Pacific, XI owns the owners...... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... ....F.Y.I...Pres. XI of CHINA, has stated , written...what ever you want....He has plans to Make CHINA ruler of the World...In the coming years....But I guess, Big Tech, The LEFT media is keeping that from the Americans/The World who refuse to hear the TRUTH!!!!!!!!!

[jusplay4fun]

again, I will respond to a small part of that long "tome" by our friend, ConfedSS:

Allied Ship

You used it twice, ConfedSS, so I have to seek clarification.

Do you mean alliance? I do not think the Polish ships and their Navy was a threat to anyone. As I recall, there were elements of the Polish army using horses that were no match for Soviet and Nazi armored tanks when Hitler invaded Poland in 1939 (followed by the Russians).

SEPTEMBER 1, 1939
Germany invades Poland, initiating World War II in Europe.

German forces broke through Polish defenses along the border and quickly advanced on Warsaw, the Polish capital. Hundreds of thousands of refugees, both Jewish and non-Jewish, fled the German advance hoping the Polish army could halt the German advance. But, after heavy shelling and bombing, Warsaw surrendered to the Germans within a month of the German attack. Soviet forces quickly annexed most of eastern Poland, while western Poland remained under German occupation until 1945.

https://www.ushmm.org/learn/timeline-of ... vasion-of-[url]poland#:~:text=Julien%20Bryan%20Archive-,September%201%2C%201939,on%20Warsaw%2C%20the%20Polish%20capital.[/url]

You see, ConfedSS, that is how you offer proof, imo; not by typing in all caps and go on a long tirade hoping to outshout everyone else.

[jusplay4fun]

Ok, and why west Europe and US dont react? West Europe and US hesitate and more and more civilians will die. Sending only javelines and stingers will only slow advantage of Russians ,will not stop the war. To much talk about love toward Ukraine and in the end Ukraine will be forced to make peace agreement with Russia , and will probably lose Doneck and Luhansk and Crimea in a way that will recognize these changes.
Everybody say Russia are aggressor and dont understand that siting from side and watch all these and dont do nothing then you also get part of responsibility for all what happening right now.

so what does the wise guy Qwert suggest? WW3 to stop Russians killing Ukrainian civilians? do you have an alternative, or mere rhetoric?

or do we wait for economic sanctions from Serbia to be used against pukin' putin?

[bigtoughralf]

Boris Johnson has made a good point yesterday. Just a few years ago British people stood up for freedom by removing the tentacles of Brussels from the UK, and today the people of Ukraine are similarly standing up against foreign overlords:

Boris Johnson has compared Ukraine choosing freedom to people of the United Kingdom choosing Brexit, in his Conservative Party conference speech.

The Prime Minister said Vladimir Putin was in a “total panic” about the prospect of a popular uprising if freedom was allowed to flourish in Kyiv.

And he said that it is the instinct of the people of this country, "like the people of Ukraine, to choose freedom every time."

Although, Russia is also removing the tentacles of Brussels from Kiev? So maybe the Russians are the British in this metaphor? It's a puzzler for sure.

[Qwert]

again, I will respond to a small part of that long "tome" by our friend, ConfedSS:

Allied Ship

You used it twice, ConfedSS, so I have to seek clarification.

Do you mean alliance? I do not think the Polish ships and their Navy was a threat to anyone. As I recall, there were elements of the Polish army using horses that were no match for Soviet and Nazi armored tanks when Hitler invaded Poland in 1939 (followed by the Russians).

SEPTEMBER 1, 1939
Germany invades Poland, initiating World War II in Europe.

German forces broke through Polish defenses along the border and quickly advanced on Warsaw, the Polish capital. Hundreds of thousands of refugees, both Jewish and non-Jewish, fled the German advance hoping the Polish army could halt the German advance. But, after heavy shelling and bombing, Warsaw surrendered to the Germans within a month of the German attack. Soviet forces quickly annexed most of eastern Poland, while western Poland remained under German occupation until 1945.

https://www.ushmm.org/learn/timeline-of ... vasion-of-[url]poland#:~:text=Julien%20Bryan%20Archive-,September%201%2C%201939,on%20Warsaw%2C%20the%20Polish%20capital.[/url]

You see, ConfedSS, that is how you offer proof, imo; not by typing in all caps and go on a long tirade hoping to outshout everyone else.

One small difference its that Poland had Signed Pact with France and Britain for protection, we dont know what will be if France and England attack immediately Germany , maybe we will avoide WW2, and that war will be limited ?
We can be blind but everybody from Sudetenland crisis know that war are coming and France and Britain had time to prepare Armies for war with Germany , instead even when war broke they sit and wait on German border, instead to push because Germans virtually dont have capacity to defend western side.

[Qwert]

Ok, and why west Europe and US dont react? West Europe and US hesitate and more and more civilians will die. Sending only javelines and stingers will only slow advantage of Russians ,will not stop the war. To much talk about love toward Ukraine and in the end Ukraine will be forced to make peace agreement with Russia , and will probably lose Doneck and Luhansk and Crimea in a way that will recognize these changes.
Everybody say Russia are aggressor and dont understand that siting from side and watch all these and dont do nothing then you also get part of responsibility for all what happening right now.

so what does the wise guy Qwert suggest? WW3 to stop Russians killing Ukrainian civilians? do you have an alternative, or mere rhetoric?

or do we wait for economic sanctions from Serbia to be used against pukin' putin?

I say from start that West and US dont care for Ukraine are you still not figure these yet? All these talks and so call aid in weapons its only for the show, for domestic audience to say that they are with Ukraine.
From 2014 to start of war they had plenty of time to prepare Ukraine Army and to give a lot of more military equipment from planes to tanks name it,, but from 2014 to 24 february 2022 that was business and Ukraine dont have money to buy all these great stuff for defense.