Biden fakes downing a Balloon in Alaska!!!

[ConfederateSS]

--------------So a so called Spy Balloon,from China has flown past Alaska, Through Canada (Although they did not tell us)... Shouldn't the U.S., Have shot it down over Alaskan waters???....Now it is flying over Montana...Biden wanted to shot it down....The Pentagon over ruled him...Told him not to...Since when...When the President C in C gives an order, does the Pentagon refuse...Maybe firing a nuclear warhead...But still...The President is #1...
---------------- That said,....Could shooting it down...Be a mistake???....Take The ROCK , Alcatraz movie...Or Executive Decision ... Should a plane carrying a virus, chemical, that could wipe out the Eastern sea board be shot down...
--------- In World War 2, the Japanese sent balloons with explosives in the jet stream, into AMERICA, to start Forest fires etc...
---------- Could there be a special pay load be inside the balloon???...Can something like COVID , be hidden inside the balloon???....Sure, the government are so worried about stuff falling on ,what trees in Montana if we shoot it down...As it spies on America, seeing how far America will let China go, in our Air Space...What if China hopes we shoot it down???... That could be just what they want...Kites were not toys, 1,000 of years ago, or Electric conductors(Ben Franklin)...China used Kites 1,000s of years ago, as bombers...The dropped bombs over enemy positions.....Like I said, could there be a virus or chemical agent in the so called Spy Balloon???...... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[bigtoughralf]

Source for claims it belongs to Chinese government: unsubstantiated PR statement from US Government.

This sub must have been absolutely fuming when it found out that Saddam Hussein had warehouses full of WMDs ready to fire at the US.

[2dimes]

Could a person post actual thoughts in the astronomy thread, in response to a question about observing a green comet, instead of random things copied from other websites? Of course. Or was that your point? By the way did you observe the comet from your yard and were you using a telescope? It's been too cloudy here all week.

Obviously China could put bad things in the balloon but it's very unlikely. They are not seeking problems from North America. Also where the balloon goes is pretty random.

They would need to not only want to risk causing harm to where they hope a balloon will go, they also would need to accept the risk, of harming what ever region the balloon ends up. Maybe it would not go away and end up breaking up over China.

You're not going to get much if anything from a spy ballon you couldn't get from google earth, so to shoot it down could cause a diplomatic problem, while letting it float around Montana is seriously no big deal.

[HitRed]

It may be accidental but it may still be a threat to a sovereign state.

Duties of ships and aircraft during transit passage

1. Ships and aircraft, while exercising the right of transit passage, shall:

(a) proceed without delay through or over the strait;

(b) refrain from any threat or use of force against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of States bordering the strait, or in any other manner in violation of the principles of international law embodied in the Charter of the United Nations;

(c) refrain from any activities other than those incident to their normal modes of continuous and expeditious transit unless rendered necessary by force majeure or by distress;

(d) comply with other relevant provisions of this Part.

That said we don’t defend our boarders anymore.

[jusplay4fun]

2dimes on Fri Feb 03, 2023 7:59 am

Could a person post actual thoughts in the astronomy thread, in response to a question about observing a green comet, instead of random things copied from other websites?

Random, or relevant about the comet?

Did you read the post and information or merely ask questions?

It has been too cloudy where I am to view the comet, now I know where to look.

[bigtoughralf]

It may be accidental but it may still be a threat to a sovereign state.

It's a blow up balloon.

[jimboston]

Could a person post actual thoughts in the astronomy thread, in response to a question about observing a green comet, instead of random things copied from other websites? Of course. Or was that your point? By the way did you observe the comet from your yard and were you using a telescope? It's been too cloudy here all week.

Obviously China could put bad things in the balloon but it's very unlikely. They are not seeking problems from North America. Also where the balloon goes is pretty random.

They would need to not only want to risk causing harm to where they hope a balloon will go, they also would need to accept the risk, of harming what ever region the balloon ends up. Maybe it would not go away and end up breaking up over China.

You're not going to get much if anything from a spy ballon you couldn't get from google earth, so to shoot it down could cause a diplomatic problem, while letting it float around Montana is seriously no big deal.

Can people post thoughts about balloons instead of links to websites? It’s annoying.

Also yeah… basically this balloon “technology” is pretty weak and provides China with nothing. Possibly they were testing our ability to detect these balloons. That’s it.

Apparently this was not the first and the military has let these go with no action. I presume our military was letting them proceed unmolested likely just to (possibly) let China think they were escaping detection. ( i.e. letting them think our defense is weaker than it actually is.). If true this idea was tossed out the window when this one ballon was so easy to detect that it as visible from the ground with the naked eye.

Regarding the Nazi’s comment… I’m sure that Biden wasn’t “overruled”. Rather his ‘gut’ instinct was to shoot it down, but people with actual knowledge talked him out of it… likely for several reasons that we can speculate but not KNOW. They’re saying it’s more dangerous to shoot it down because of falling debris… but that’s a bullshit reason.

There’s ZERO risk of causing a diplomatic incident shooting it down.

Again… the most likely and reasonable scenario is we just wanted to pretend we didn’t detect these so China would underestimate our capabilities.

This idea/strategy comes directly from their own book.
(The Art of War)

[jimboston]

It may be accidental but it may still be a threat to a sovereign state.

That said we don’t defend our boarders anymore.

JP4… here’s a softball for you.

Have fun.

[ConfederateSS]

---------As Saxi would say....BINGO HitRed...we do not protect America anymore....China unleashed COVID on the world/West to see how we would react...
----------- Not this balloon, but China could send more....So the skies will be full of balloons... Americans will think, no big deal...just balloons...
----------- Outside of this... Canada has picked up a second thing...They haven't told the U.S. Government what it is... Canada???,WHAT THE "F" are the dumbasses at NORAD doing... Painting Cheyenne Mountain, rainbow colored...Hell, maybe the Chinese Balloon is full of Skittles, Catch the Rainbow ... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[ConfederateSS]

Source for claims it belongs to Chinese government: unsubstantiated PR statement from US Government.

This sub must have been absolutely fuming when it found out that Saddam Hussein had warehouses full of WMDs ready to fire at the US.

-------- China has said, after confirmed launched from Chinese mainland by U.S...It was launched from China, it is there's...BigRaf...... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[saxitoxin]

It may be accidental but it may still be a threat to a sovereign state.

It's a blow up balloon.

more like ralf's blow-up doll that escaped

[GaryDenton]

Live updates - much ado about nothing.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/ ... index.html

President Joe Biden was first briefed Tuesday on the suspected Chinese surveillance balloon that is hovering over the US as it moves eastward in the coming days, White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said.

The president has since "continued to receive regular briefings and updates from the National Security Team," she said.

Jean-Pierre described how the decision-making process worked, saying that after being briefed, Biden asked "the military to present options—it was the strong recommendation by Secretary Austin, Chairman Milley, the commander of Northern Command not to take kinetic action because of the risk to safety and security of the people on the ground."

[ConfederateSS]

Live updates - much ado about nothing.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/ ... index.html

President Joe Biden was first briefed Tuesday on the suspected Chinese surveillance balloon that is hovering over the US as it moves eastward in the coming days, White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said.

The president has since "continued to receive regular briefings and updates from the National Security Team," she said.

Jean-Pierre described how the decision-making process worked, saying that after being briefed, Biden asked "the military to present options—it was the strong recommendation by Secretary Austin, Chairman Milley, the commander of Northern Command not to take kinetic action because of the risk to safety and security of the people on the ground."

---------- Our Border is 3 miles of WATER(Pacific Ocean) off the Alaskan coast....What happened there????.... Biden, Administration.... Alaskan wilderness... Montana...North Dakota,....
--------- Or it even gets sadder.....Our military is more worried about pronouns....Then being #1 in the world....
--------- We have missiles.....That can reach 60,000 ft...Fighter aircraft can't....Even if we could...or the balloon, 3 school buses in size...A missile could take it down...
--------- That is the bleeding heart Pinball Wizards out there...It is nothing....
--------- The Canadian Military tried to shoot down a weather balloon once....Shot it full of holes but, couldn't get it to come down....That is how sad our capabilities are right now....
--------- If we shoot it down over water...We can't retrieve what it has in it...
--------- Nothing to worry about..... Chinese nationals... throughout our colleges, stealing our research....
--------- Chinese buying land, farmland throughout America, most near U.S. military bases...
--------- Nothing to worry about...
--------- CHINA SAYING OUT RIGHT, WE WILL TAKE DOWN AMERICA...WE WILL BE #1 IN THE WORLD...
--------- AS CHINA IS TAKING OVER ALL RESOURCES, and ECONOMIES...IN ASIA, AFRICA, SOUTH AMERICA...
--------- CHINA COULD CUT AMERICA OFF OF EVERYTHING IN A SECOND, WHEN EVER THEY WANT... Don't worry, nothing to worry about...... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[saxitoxin]

The balloon is now over Kansas City. Once it gets to Lexington, KY it will be at the right location and right altitude that - were it carrying 1.5 MT warhead - a detonation should take out all civilian electrical systems east of the Mississippi River for at least the next 3-4 months and hurtle the east back into the stone age.

I'm Team Balloon.

[GaryDenton]

LOL!

Some people here and my congressman are some of the craziest stupid people in the states.
A weather balloon blew over and some people are making it political and stupid.

Not since the balloon boy hoax of 2009 or the 2015 NSA balloon wreaking havoc across Pennsylvania have so many eyes looked up towards a dirigible.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/03/worl ... lloon.html

[saxitoxin]

LOL!

Some people here and my congressman are some of the craziest stupid people in the states.
A weather balloon blew over and some people are making it political and stupid.

Not since the balloon boy hoax of 2009 or the 2015 NSA balloon wreaking havoc across Pennsylvania have so many eyes looked up towards a dirigible.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/03/worl ... lloon.html

GD and I agree. This is typical hysteria of the security state. It's worrisome not due to the balloon but because the extreme reaction of the American establishment might be seen as it girding for war.

[ConfederateSS]

--------- The Canadians are tracking a second thing, maybe another balloon....
------------- The State Department has confirmed another Chinese spy balloon flying over South America....
------------- Around 8:00pm est time ...There has been an explosion in the sky of Billings, Montana....The main Chinese spy balloon is over Missouri that everyone is tracking....So something else exploded.....

------------ Many might have been in The USA before.....But since the public has spotted, the main balloon....The USA can't hide it....
------------- They have been tracking the main balloon for months....Why didn't they shoot it down in the Pacific....
------------- China has been flying them over Japan, India....
------------- Biden ,Hunter ,the family is paid by China....
------------- Apparently many balloons have flown here...But smaller....This big one, Americans could see them from there driveway....The Biden Administration can't hide them, cover for China.... ... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[ConfederateSS]

-----------Not a weather balloon Gary...... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...
---------- Saxi, The Bidens have sold America out to it's enemies....
---------- Top Generals have said....The Pentagon is full of shit....The Balloon wouldn't fall all over....
---------- If shot down...It would deflate slowly, as it made it's way to Earth...Not like Skylab crashing to Earth...

[jusplay4fun]

It may be accidental but it may still be a threat to a sovereign state.

It's a blow up balloon.

more like ralf's blow-up doll that escaped

saxi +1

[Dukasaur]

---------[size=150] The Canadians are tracking a second thing,

It's Santa Claus. Don't worry, we'll kill the fucker!

[2dimes]

There are a lot of balloons launched and quite a few every day.

Here's one everyone failed to track. https://abcnews.go.com/US/lost-gopro-fo ... d=33771521 Two years later Pearl Tsosie found the payload while out for a hike.

Let's hope someone can keep track of these ones a bit better.

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/selling ... d=20652514

There’s ZERO risk of causing a diplomatic incident shooting it down.

Do you mean, escalating the current one?

Gary Denton's linked New York Times article opens with.

Furor Over Chinese Spy Balloon Leads to a Diplomatic Crisis

... were it carrying 1.5 MT warhead - ...

Shall we discuss the size of balloon required to lift that sort of a payload and the difficulties of filling, never mind launching it?

[Dukasaur]

... were it carrying 1.5 MT warhead - ...

Shall we discuss the size of balloon required to lift that sort of a payload and the difficulties of filling, never mind launching it?

It's theoretically possible to get 5.1 KT of yield from per kilogram of bomb, so a 1.5 MT warhead could, in theory anyway, be made as small as 300 kg. That's within the capabilities of balloons.

Whether anyone actually has made a 1.5 MT warhead that small I don't know. I googled but didn't find any answers, but I'm sure saxi's handlers at the KGB could supply the information easily enough.

[jimboston]

This is nothing.

You people are all jokes.

[HitRed]

Taiwan is setting over there in disbelief.