How many lies is too many for a Trump loyalist?

[jimboston]

This is comparable to Santos in what way?

Because they both have some Hispanic heritage?

Because they both lied about their biography?

(And, FYI, Hispanic isn't among the 17 different ethnic groups Kamala Harris has claimed to be part of to advance her political career.)

So getting confused about when you first heard Snoop Dogg is on par with all the lies Santos told.

Ok. Got it.

Thanks.

[Dukasaur]

So, some minor exaggeration versus complete fabrication is exactly the same thing in your books. Got it.

[jimboston]

So, some minor exaggeration versus complete fabrication is exactly the same thing in your books. Got it.

Is this directed at me???

[Dukasaur]

So, some minor exaggeration versus complete fabrication is exactly the same thing in your books. Got it.

Is this directed at me???

Was talking to saxi.

[jonesthecurl]

I think that suxi has swapped from Trump to Looloo.

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[saxitoxin]

So, some minor exaggeration versus complete fabrication is exactly the same thing in your books. Got it.

LOL, did you watch the video? Girl wasn't just exaggerating, she was making it whole cloth up as she went. She had the same nervous laugh and under-breath response you'd see from a four year old asking who ate the cake.

Truly, if one just said "Kamala Harris lied about smoking in college" it would be unremarkable. But actually watching the video of her trying to sell it is different stuff. This is a woman who is lying and who knows she's lying. It's incredible. And it's about totally innocuous stuff. If she lies about that, imagine what she won't lie about.

It's like the saying goes, Kamala always sounds like she's giving a book report on a book she didn’t read.

[Dukasaur]

LOL, did you watch the video?

Not really. Usually videos just burn up a lot of time so I just search for a written description of what was said.

[jimboston]

So, some minor exaggeration versus complete fabrication is exactly the same thing in your books. Got it.

LOL, did you watch the video? Girl wasn't just exaggerating, she was making it whole cloth up as she went. She had the same nervous laugh and under-breath response you'd see from a four year old asking who ate the cake.

Truly, if one just said "Kamala Harris lied about smoking in college" it would be unremarkable. But actually watching the video of her trying to sell it is different stuff. This is a woman who is lying and who knows she's lying. It's incredible. And it's about totally innocuous stuff. If she lies about that, imagine what she won't lie about.

It's like the saying goes, Kamala always sounds like she's giving a book report on a book she didn’t read.

Lying about what Rap sings you listens too is now equivalent to lying about your entire Resume.

… and that’s assuming it’s a lie and not just a mistake or a misinterpretation like what the girl in the video said.

It’s all a fricken Right Wing distraction… all BS… for people with pea-sized brains.

[saxitoxin]

did you watch the video?

Not really.

lmao

Dem conspiracy theories incoming in 3 ... 2 ...

It’s all a fricken Right Wing distraction

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[GaryDenton]

There are just a set of repeated myths that conservatives always trot out to try to claim Democrats do it too.

Whatever and whenever a lying Republican is under discussion.

It is tiresome and their stories are predominately lies and exaggerations.

No politician, a class not known for their truth-telling, has lied as much as Trump and Santos, period.

This should go without stating. Anyone who has any source of information except for lying propaganda opinion sites knows this or can look it up.

[GaryDenton]

BTW, about Warren having Native American ancestry.

Here is from the DNA test that Trump repeatedly lied about:

"Warren’s test results show that she is of “primarily European descent,” but also that she has at least five genetic segments that are “Native American in origin at high confidence.”
Bustamante concludes there is “strong evidence” for a Native American ancestor roughly six to 10 generations ago.

All of the anthropological geneticists we consulted felt the test was performed as well as it could have been, given the available data.

She didn't lie and this doesn't mean she is a member of any tribe, which don't rely on DNA evidence anyway. In fact, they refuse to acknowledge it.

[saxitoxin]

She didn't lie

Wrong. She lied repeatedly over three decades decades.

Elizabeth Warren has repeatedly identified herself as Cherokee. From 1986 to 1995 she listed herself as Native American in the Association of American Law Schools directory of law professors. After gaining tenure, she insisted University of Pennsylvania categorize her as Native American, too. She then identified herself as Native American to Harvard — in her application and hiring materials and in other forms beyond.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house ... -cherokee/

A new letter signed by over 200 Cherokees and other Native Americans called on Elizabeth Warren to denounce her family's claim that they have Native American ancestry. In a response to the letter, Warren stated that "I am a white woman" and "I was wrong to have identified as Native American."

https://www.businessinsider.com/native- ... est-2020-2

Here is from the DNA test that Trump repeatedly lied about:

"Warren’s test results show that she is of “primarily European descent,” but also that she has at least five genetic segments that are “Native American in origin at high confidence.”

Again, wrong. This claim is a racist, genocidal, base-rate fallacy that attempts to erase Native American identity by claiming that nearly 100% of the U.S. population is Native American because nearly 100% of the U.S. population has the same fraction of Indian ancestry as Warren used to claim self-identity.

According to the test, Warren’s DNA is between 1/64 and 1/1032 Columbian, Mexican and/or Peruvian (used as proxies for measuring Cherokee heritage for reasons described in the report); between 0.1 percent and 1.5 percent of her DNA may be Native American in origin. Warren falsely depicted this as “slam dunk” proof that she really is of Native American ancestry. This is a base-rate fallacy. In fact, the average white person in America has 0.18 percent Native American DNA — meaning they could be described as about 1/ 556 Native American or as having a Native American ancestor nine to 10 generations back.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house ... -cherokee/

[GaryDenton]

Again, Saxi is mischaracterizing the history and falsely claims that the general Anglo-US population has the same percentage of Native American blood. That is not even relevant, she has Native American ancestry.

She never took advantage of the tales she was told that she had Native American ancestry but was proud of it. When she at first couldn't prove it she became an ignorant uneducated Right-wing meme on lying Democrats and then when she had a DNA test done they lied about that.

Part of the problem is Saxi, like many conservatives, has been taught that their opinions are as good as our facts. He did not go to a scientist, he went to an opinion article from someone with no expertise. I should quit pointing to Saxi's lies, he is simply following the procedures he has learned that are not science or fact-based.

LIES LIES LIES

[saxitoxin]

he went to an opinion article from someone with no expertise [in race]

Namely, this guy ...

Musa al-Gharbi is a Paul F. Lazarsfeld Fellow in Sociology at Columbia University. Broadly, his research explores how we think about, talk about, and produce knowledge about social phenomena including race, inequality, social movements, extremism.

His work, accordingly, draws on methods and theories from a range of disciplines -- and has been published and cited in academic journals and textbooks across a range of disciplines.

His work has been published or featured in the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, NPR, The Atlantic, New Republic, CNN and many other popular outlets -- as well as in publications by the U.S. Department of State, the U.S. Army War College, the Combatting Terrorism Center at West Point (CTC), the Brookings Institute, RAND Corporation and beyond.

https://sociology.columbia.edu/content/musa-al-gharbi

The leaders have told their disciples that anyone who questions their godhood is not an expert, by the very fact that they have questioned divinity.

In a different life, Gary would have made a perfect Scientologist or Jehovah's Witness. His self enforcing obedience, even in the absence of the leaders, is incredible. The perfect automaton. A loyal, regurgitating drone whose head is an empty vessel waiting to be filled with make believe from The Palmer Report and Occupy Democrats from which he so frequently quotes and relies upon for revelation.

[GaryDenton]

So wrong, it is really not worthwhile replying to Saxi.

I am ignoring his very wrong opinions of my beliefs and where I get them from...

On the article, as I said the writer had no expertise in GENETICS which his OPINION piece should have been about.

Here is the reality:
"White Americans are surprisingly unmixed and there is negligible Native contribution to the White gene pool in the US. And the admixture of Native ancestry within the Black population is also extremely low.

The White American average genetic makeup is 98.6% European, 0.19% African, and 0.18% Native American.

Claims that US is a genetic melting pot appear overblown--if you're white | Genetic Literacy Project
http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/01/07/claims-that-us-is-a-genetic-melting-pot-appear-overblown-if-youre-white/

The figures for African Americans in not much different when it comes to Native admixture – just 0.8%

These low numbers illustrate that the contribution of Native Americans to the White and Black population is minuscule. But, you also have to understand that this is based on aggregate figures. Most families would have no Native ancestry at all. A smaller number would have slightly higher degrees, which would then give an extremely low number to the entire population as an average. In other words, pull a random American, and they would not have that result by some kind of default

looking at the 2010 Census. 800,000+ Americans claim to have “Cherokee” ancestry. Yet, at that point, the three Cherokee bands only had a population of just over 300,000 individuals. And the vast majority were enrolled in Cherokee Nation which doesn’t even have a minimum blood quantum. To put this into perspective there were more Americans with no tribal affiliation claiming Cherokee blood than there were enrolled Cherokees. This is statistically and demographically impossible, but this just goes to illustrate how prevalent these false stories or claims are.

People tell stories to their children and grandchildren and a lot of myths and lies get mixed in. When these children grow up it can be hard to research the truth.
Elizabeth Warren found out the stories she was told were true, she has Native Amertican ancestry based on her DNA.

[GaryDenton]

I realized that Saxi is math and statistics challenged so I should make this clear.

The vast, vast, majority of White Anglos have NO Native American ancestry. You have a supermajority with 0% and a small number with some so the Average is 0.18%.

This statement of Saxis is flat-out wrong.

This claim is a racist, genocidal, base-rate fallacy that attempts to erase Native American identity by claiming that nearly 100% of the U.S. population is Native American because nearly 100% of the U.S. population has the same fraction of Indian ancestry as Warren used to claim self-identity.

A huge percentage of Americans have no Native American ancestry.