Fascinating New Study on What Happens to Vaxed Over Time

[jusplay4fun]

I vote saxi makes similar Venn diagrams for other core topics of discussion on OT too.

your diagram looks like boobs lol

I second that..!

[saxitoxin]

Cue: But but but but ... saxi, the science evolved!

Saxi: Agreed. And it's still evolving. [The British Medical Journal concludes: "Per COVID-19 hospitalisation prevented, we anticipate at least 18.5 serious adverse events from mRNA vaccines."]
That's why people who aren't in danger of death in the absence of the vaccine (U60s with no co-morbidities) should logically wait for 3-5 years for Post-Marketing Survey data to come in, as is normal.

[2dimes]

Well I’m probably that co-morbidity thing and I needed to get the Trump jab to get in the restaurants, so stop telling me it’s harmful and start telling me about the benefits.

[HitRed]

https://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/89cd9b ... b21167c9d0

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I reviewed The Lord’s messages. Though there are many mentions of the virus, no stance on the vaccine that I can see.

As for me, I was ok people getting the vax or not getting the vax. I was against people being forced to vax under threat of loss of livelihood, education opportunities or military service.

[ConfederateSS]

---------No circle for Pro GOD
----------- Here is a funny thing....In 2020 A.D. ,maybe presentish... People loved wearing masks, telling people to wear masks etc...
----------- Lets go back to the late 1800's A.D....On just about every Western, movie,T.V...Lets say shot between 1930's A.D...Late 1960'sA.D.,early 1970'sA.D....Everyone would put a bandana on...well the guys had them around their neck..They would move them over their face(mouth,nose)....When in a group of say, non family...Or when robbing people...But when by themselves.... Nothing, People hated wearing them....It scared them to see people in masks....They called it ,the mask of fear...
----------- Yet, those idiots had everyone running around Today's time...It's Kool...had the children thinking you are evil if you don't wear a mask.... Tackling and arresting people by Themselves on a beach if they weren't wearing a mask...21st Century stuff....Where in replicating the 19th Century....Less medical, more GOD in society....The people had FREEDOM....Go! Figure... ...How far science has come... .......... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... ..

[jimboston]

I vote saxi makes similar Venn diagrams for other core topics of discussion on OT too.

your diagram looks like boobs lol

I second that..!

Yeah… looks accurate.

Note how JP4 is not on this diagram.
Apparently he’s so far off he can’t pull anything, except maybe himself.

[jimboston]

More Venn Diagrams please Saxi… start a new thread of just Diagrams!

One for religious belief would be cool!

[saxitoxin]

To be clear, I said from Day One I support vaccination for high risk groups (O60s and those with comorbidities); in other words, targeted vaccination following individualized harm-benefit analysis (versus mass vaccination). Recent science (i.e. not two year old science) published since August of last year has supported the conclusion I made on Conquer Club back in 2021. It's just not making the journey from scientific press to popular press (keep in mind, the CEO of Reuters is on the Pfizer board and Pfizer dumps millions in ad dollars in other media). It's certainly not being discussed by politicians receiving donations from Pfizer, like Biden or McConnell, or those who made the mistake of trying to build their legacy on the vaccines, like Trump.

For example, in an October issue of the Q1 journal Vaccine, a team of researchers from UCLA, Stanford, and the University of Maryland conducted an analysis of trial group vaccine safety data and came to a grim conclusion.

The Pfizer trial exhibited a 36 % higher risk of serious adverse events in the vaccine group [versus placebo]; risk difference 18.0 per 10,000 vaccinated (95 % CI 1.2 to 34.9); risk ratio 1.36 (95 % CI 1.02 to 1.83). The Moderna trial exhibited a 6 % higher risk of serious adverse events in the vaccine group: risk difference 7.1 per 10,000 (95 % CI –23.2 to 37.4); risk ratio 1.06 (95 % CI 0.84 to 1.33). Combined, there was a 16 % higher risk of serious adverse events in mRNA vaccine recipients: risk difference 13.2 (95 % CI −3.2 to 29.6); risk ratio 1.16 (95 % CI 0.97 to 1.39).

The excess risk of serious adverse events found in our study points to the need for formal harm-benefit analyses, particularly those that are stratified according to risk of serious COVID-19 outcomes. These analyses will require public release of participant level datasets.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... via%3Dihub

This got zero coverage. It wasn't debunked, it was just ignored. As though it didn't exist. This and a hundred other credible reports.

[saxitoxin]

The majority of Americans seem to have caught on. As of last month, only 28% of the population had received a bivalent booster, even though it had been available for five months at that point and even though Biden (who may, given his hyper advanced age, be one of those who actually benefits from a booster) screaming at everyone to get it.

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-1 ... nuary-2023

Probably good since the dangers of the vax may have a compounding effect so if you survived past three months from the first two rounds and don't get boostered you're probably okay. But each booster is like playing a game of Russian roulette. Still, the game may be worth it for a segment of the population, though that segment is growing smaller and smaller as the dangers of wild infection lessen with each new mutation.

[mookiemcgee]

Blah Blah Blah, words + numbers, blah blah balh

not a venn diagram

Sorry saxi I don't understand... Can you relay this information in the form of a venn diagram please?

[saxitoxin]

Blah Blah Blah, words + numbers, blah blah balh

not a venn diagram

Sorry saxi I don't understand... Can you relay this information in the form of a venn diagram please?

NO IM NOT THE VEN DIAGRAM BITCH

[saxitoxin]

here's a Cartesian Diagram

[2dimes]

Only Saxi would use a picture of some 135 pound guy riding a bicycle to represent the fatty.

[saxitoxin]

Only Saxi would use a picture of some 135 pound guy riding a bicycle to represent the fatty.

it's old joe, you just didn't recognize him because he hasn't fallen over in that picture

[ConfederateSS]

Only Saxi would use a picture of some 135 pound guy riding a bicycle to represent the fatty.

it's old joe, you just didn't recognize him because he hasn't fallen over in that picture

-------Also he isn't surrounded by Salvation Army employees....He actually thought a Salvation Army worker was Secret Service... ...... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[mookiemcgee]

here's a Cartesian Diagram

[2dimes]

After i showed my offspring the image, they explained the guy beside the car was purportedly found and caught by authorities, after leaving a local pizza shops box in the frame and making a video.

[bigtoughralf]

Yeah, he tweeted Greta Thunberg about how many cars he owns and in doing so got himself busted for sex trafficking.

Twitter beef - lame
Sex trafficking - Chad
Getting arrested - loser

Overall score: 1/3

[saxitoxin]

The UK's Office of National Statistics has released death by vaccination status. This is one of the first such statistical releases in the western world, all previous data sets (including American) were sampled estimates. The ONS data set is unique due to Britain's centralized health management system and the fact it's based on a whole sample (IOW 100%).

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... tusengland

In 2022, 25,768 deaths from COVID-19 were vaccinated while 2,273 deaths were unvaccinated.

September is the last full month for vax status in the UK, when it reported an 88% vaccination rate and 12% non-vaccination rate. In other words, if vaccination were no more effective than non-vaccination, deaths in September from COVID-19 among the vaccinated should be 88 percent. It was 95 percent. This is not good.

To be clear, it's not "people dropping dead in the streets" bad. It's more like "'What Were They Thinking in 2022?' documentary on the BBC 40 years from now" bad.

[jusplay4fun]

saxi's latest post Proves NOTHING.

Most of those vaccinated ALREADY had high Risk factors (aka Co-Morbidities). saxi, you need a more detailed study and/or more analysis of the data you presented.

In looking more closely at the data from the link saxi provided, I saw NO such analysis, so the data PROVES NOTHING, as I already said in line 1 of this post.

[saxitoxin]

The day JP4 had to become an anti-vaxer to justify the vax:

saxi's latest post Proves NOTHING.

Most of those vaccinated ALREADY had high Risk factors (aka Co-Morbidities).

According to JP4's post, the vaccine doesn't protect people with high risk factors. Even saxi doesn't believe that! (The opposite, in fact; see my Cartesian diagram, above.)

[jusplay4fun]

Your data shows what I have argued for a LONG time, that the virus is getting less virulent as it spreads throughout the population.

Point #2 here: your data fails to take into account co-morbidities and you fail to answer that point that I made.

Point #3: those unvaccinated are (likely) younger and more healthy.

[saxitoxin]

LOL, Dr. Clare Craig - a Cambridge and Oxford-trained physician and consulting pathologist for the cancer research company Genomics England just posted this hilarious lampooning of someone on Twitter trying to pull a JP4 claim that today's data dump was perfectly normal and everyone should continue to have true faith and allegiance in the management and shareholders of Pfizer, Inc. (the most-fined pharmaceutical company in the history of the world).

[jusplay4fun]

Keep dying FOREVER??? really?

[GaryDenton]

The uneducated who don't believe in science except when something shows up that fits their prejudices have been so excited about a new study that supposedly shows masks don't work. Or do they?

Other people have already found faults with the study but here is a bigger look.

The first major RED FLAG is the lead scientist is a crank. He is a looney-tunes who thinks COVID isn't Chinese but has been circulating for years.
And then he badly picks what studies to include and exclude from the analysis.

One of the largest studies of mask-wearing during the Covid pandemic was conducted in Bangladesh, with more than 170,000 people in the intervention group and similar numbers in the control group. The authors studied a series of public announcements and mask distributions which raised the frequency of mask-wearing. In the end, around 40 percent of the experimental group wore masks, compared to around 10 percent in the control group.

The result, the study found, was a substantial reduction in the share of people with Covid-19-like symptoms, and in antibodies that would suggest a Covid-19 infection: “In surgical mask villages, we observe a 35.3% reduction in symptomatic seroprevalence among individuals ≥60 years old ... We see larger reductions in symptoms and symptomatic seropositivity in villages that experienced larger increases in mask use.”

That looks like pretty substantial evidence that mask-wearing reduces Covid-19! And this article is one of only two studies of mask-wearing included in the Cochrane review which happened during the Covid-19 pandemic. The other, a study in Denmark, assigned people to wear masks (though, of course, not all of the people told to wear masks did so consistently or correctly) and had a control group that generally did not wear masks. The group that was told to wear masks had slightly lower infection rates than the group that didn’t wear masks, but the sample was too small for the effect to be significant.

Given that — one study finding very solid evidence for the benefits of masks, and one finding limited but encouraging evidence — how did Cochrane arrive at its conclusion that mask wearing “probably makes little or no difference?” Because their meta-analysis mixes these studies with many more pieces of research that were conducted before Covid-19 and found little effect of masks on the transmission of other illnesses like influenza.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2023/2/22/23609499/masks-covid-coronavirus-cochrane-review-pandemic-science-studies-infection