The Tick Mafia - JUSTICE PREVAILS!

[Extreme Ways]

1.

Lets do a Hercule Poirot scene while drinking a nice Pumpkin Spice Latté so i ask everybody to name your three suspects:

After all Town's primary power is their vote, which they must use to vote out all 3 mafia before they lose control. The game starts with approximately ~17 town vote power and to ~7 scum vote power.

Let's lynch asap !
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3. Extreme Ways = he defended Loose Cannon so well people started to believe him. An evil genius mastermind we have here! He Even comes up with the strangest theories to convince others Loose is Town. Saying the "unvote guy voting on D1 would trigger a scenario". If Loose followed this theory and played along i think Loose would have gotten away with it..it's that evil good! But instead Loose posts he KNEW his vote would not count, only tought it would not be noticeable by anybody else.. and mucks up the perfect defense play Extreme Ways cunningly already prepared in our heads.

Then Extreme Ways said more than once we should not lynch on D1 even when the cases againt Pix and Loose were getting bigger and bigger. He even defended Pixar to make enough doubt so he would not get 10 votes by making a new vote for General Bax. Any vote other then Pixar would have done fine for him, he just needed to create doubt is the way i see it. Keeping townies 50-50 devided

And then making an excuse why he would not see the clues against Loose Extreme ways posted "his detective skills are failing him" while posting 'Loose reads town" in the same post (Extreme Ways on Tue Sep 05, 2023 7:53 am)

From the pilot: "The evil mastermind? Spidery? Reclusive? Evil?

You're putting more words in my mouth than words I have uttered. Lets start at the top: you are taking an excerpt from a setup we are not playing to move people towards lynching asap. This is ignorant at best, but seems malicious.

2.

3. Extreme Ways = he defended Loose Cannon so well people started to believe him. An evil genius mastermind we have here! He Even comes up with the strangest theories to convince others Loose is Town. Saying the "unvote guy voting on D1 would trigger a scenario". If Loose followed this theory and played along i think Loose would have gotten away with it..it's that evil good! But instead Loose posts he KNEW his vote would not count, only tought it would not be noticeable by anybody else.. and mucks up the perfect defense play Extreme Ways cunningly already prepared in our heads.

I am not the only one who said that:

So there's three+ possibilities here in terms of Loose's role.

1. Loose is voteless. He may have another power to counteract his otherwise detrimental role to town but I can't say for certain. I don't think there has ever been a case of a vote less mafia. It's just too detrimental to them to have a member who can't vote at all.

2. Loose can only vote under certain conditions.

A. Loose can only vote to hammer.

B. Loose's vote is activated under other conditions or after a certain condition is met.

Scenario 2 is a little more likely to be scum but still usually falls under town.

3. And this is getting out there as I'm not sure there's ever even been such a role but Loose could hypothetically even be a role who can give their vote to someone else.

to save some time:

B. This is more than likely, but shouldn't speculate too much without a confirm. Again, though, i err on the side of caution.

I lean towards Vote Thief as it's more fitting of The Tick theme to have a thief than a spirit and Loose intimated a growing power. He would then be town-aligned according to the article and he would be disinclined from claiming as he has a special interest to survive to Day 2 and cast his double-vote. Dega may have him alternating between 0 and 2-vote days.

I can give countless examples, but the people that think a role such as this is Town outnumber the ones that think this is scum. Surely we're not all scum, right?
3.

Then Extreme Ways said more than once we should not lynch on D1 even when the cases againt Pix and Loose were getting bigger and bigger. He even defended Pixar to make enough doubt so he would not get 10 votes by making a new vote for General Bax. Any vote other then Pixar would have done fine for him, he just needed to create doubt is the way i see it. Keeping townies 50-50 devided

Twisting my words yet again. I said we should lynch on D1 if we have reason to, and I explicitly said we shouldn't enter D1 with the idea of not lynching. You are thinking about DDS, whom I voted because he voted NL very early during the day

Been a pretty big advocate of not lynching as well on D1 unless it's an incredibly small game exclusive to cult.

So, I'll start.

Unvote vote no lynch

And yes, my vote on General Bax is incredibly suspicious given that, if you dont count 'vote pixar', he has written 0 words in this game.
4.

And then making an excuse why he would not see the clues against Loose Extreme ways posted "his detective skills are failing him" while posting 'Loose reads town" in the same post (Extreme Ways on Tue Sep 05, 2023 7:53 am)

Lets look at my post, shall we? It was posted we saw the voteless vote. One might say such an event might cause a shakeup in my opinions on loose. What clues did we have at that point? The quote in question is this one:

Egads, you all! What kind of superhero group are you sowing mistrust amongst yourself? Cant we all agree just to laugh at large clowns instead? Well, I suppose if we must burn the cellar to smoke out the rats, I shall do my part!

I'm not sure if I should read a clue in this, but my detective skills are failing me.[/quote]
In what way is this about loose? I just mentioned that I felt like Strike was posting a hint of some sort about his identity in this little section of flavour, but that my detective skills (at finding the hint) failed me.
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GenBax is still on top of my scum list but I should probably check the other mafia game to see if this is just... how he plays. Your constantly pushing on everything and everyone while twisting words make me eerily suspicious of you. So far you have not entertained any other perspectives other than your own on certain situations, maybe for your own scum-good.

[fusibaseball]

I tried to submit 2 posts last night both of which were explaining why I thought Pixar was third party.
Both failed to be in this forum.
The only thing is I think Degaston was using or browsing the forum at the time of both.
Is it possible someone can temporarily block someone else from making posts as part of the game?

Did someone say ELECTRONIC JAMMING?

[strike wolf]

Son!C can you actually explain why you think Loose not being able to vote makes him more likely scum. If it's just that it's detrimental to town to not be able to vote, the same applies to scum and and generally when you give scum a role like that, it has more of an impact on them then town to their concentration of vote power. Decreasing scum's voting power has too great of an impact on Scum to be easily balanced. Back and increasing it puts town at too much of a disadvantage.

Also why would Pixar need to earn points with scum if he's scum?

[*Pixar*]

Son!C can you actually explain why you think Loose not being able to vote makes him more likely scum. If it's just that it's detrimental to town to not be able to vote, the same applies to scum and and generally when you give scum a role like that, it has more of an impact on them then town to their concentration of vote power. Decreasing scum's voting power has too great of an impact on Scum to be easily balanced. Back and increasing it puts town at too much of a disadvantage.

Also why would Pixar need to earn points with scum if he's scum?

Lets point out that my vote is still on Loose as well, not sure where Son!c is getting I unvoted him. Other than trying to see if Ragian person had any effect on vote counts, but soon after I went right back to Loose... I'm a little concerned that Ragian is not talking since Loose voted him. He's usually a very active player, possible that he has been silenced somehow? Ragian speak to me buddy!

[Extreme Ways]

I tried to submit 2 posts last night both of which were explaining why I thought Pixar was third party.
Both failed to be in this forum.
The only thing is I think Degaston was using or browsing the forum at the time of both.
Is it possible someone can temporarily block someone else from making posts as part of the game?

Did someone say ELECTRONIC JAMMING?

oh I missed this because I was writing an essay to sonic.

I doubt dega has powers to remove posts in this forum, if only because if so Raz would be in the know. Furthermore, dega isn't always online. If you get silenced it shall have to be via a PM from mod, and enforced by punishment of mod-kill.

[SoN!c]

Son!C can you actually explain why you think Loose not being able to vote makes him more likely scum. If it's just that it's detrimental to town to not be able to vote, the same applies to scum and and generally when you give scum a role like that, it has more of an impact on them then town to their concentration of vote power. Decreasing scum's voting power has too great of an impact on Scum to be easily balanced. Back and increasing it puts town at too much of a disadvantage.

Also why would Pixar need to earn points with scum if he's scum?

Lets point out that my vote is still on Loose as well, not sure where Son!c is getting I unvoted him. Other than trying to see if Ragian person had any effect on vote counts, but soon after I went right back to Loose... I'm a little concerned that Ragian is not talking since Loose voted him. He's usually a very active player, possible that he has been silenced somehow? Ragian speak to me buddy!

"Not sure where SoN!c is getting i Unvoted him"

Postby *Pixar* on Tue Sep 05, 2023 6:32 pm

Good to see we got a real clue rather than some mumbo jumbo weak case against me because of a joke I made lol.

Either Loose has made a mistake knowing he can't vote with his role and tried to anyways or someone has used their day ability to not count his vote? Seem's kind of odd to have that role, especially if you're scum.

I'd rather get a claim out of Loose now...

Unvote Vote Loose

"Unvote Vote Loose" on Tue Sep 05, 2023 6:32 pm..

Also note to myself: do not to get into any quarrel with the evil mastermind, just run away next time you see him because he deflected you like pigs in space hitting Star Ship Enterprise at full shield capacity. He did not even say anything about his current position on Loose being mafia.

[Extreme Ways]

Because I never said Loose is mafia???

[Extreme Ways]

Also note to myself: do not to get into any quarrel with the evil mastermind, just run away next time you see him because he deflected you like pigs in space hitting Star Ship Enterprise at full shield capacity. He did not even say anything about his current position on Loose being mafia.

Giving this some more attention.

I lean to one of two scenarios:

1) Loose is lying and wasnt aware that his vote didnt count and is now panicking/bluffing.
2) Loose wasn't lying and him voting is a condition for something else to happen, as town.

The second is kinda convoluted but why would you vote as scum knowing it would make you prime suspect nr 1. There was no reason to vote, nobody was even asking him to vote.

so I lean towards Loose being town. Then later on, as reply to you:

I say I'm town all the time, I even conclude it in my chummy to scummy lists. I think the vote alternator seems most likely , I just find it hard to believe that a scum role is voteless. Could very well be 3P, but I struggle to see their wincon.

You think Loose is mafia, yet attack me for 'supposedly' saying Loose is scum, which I never did in the first place.

I checked Prison Mafia and Bax was the cop that didn't defend himself nor reveal any of his info before getting lynched. Which means that his non-participation here shouldn't come as a surprise. I think Sonic is a third party jester-like role, so not voting him. Unsure who I want to vote, though.

Unvote

[degaston]

Vote Count:

*Pixar* : 6 (Charle, Darin44, fusibaseball, General Bax, Maxleod, PepeAtila)
Loose Canon : 3 (*Pixar*, SoN!c, swang918)
strike wolf : 1 (drake_259)
No Lynch : 1 (DirtyDishSoap)
Ragian : 0 * (Loose Canon)

10 votes needed to lynch

* Not a typo

[Loose Canon]

I cast a vote I knew wouldn't count because I felt there wasn't much useful chat going round at that time, and so I wanted to try to restart it. At that time I felt marginally that Ragian was a bit suspicious so I cast it to see if there was any traction for that.
What I didn't know was HOW my unable to vote vote would be revealed or become evident.

So basically your saying you knew your vote would not count but you thought you would get away with that as the vote would not be revealed..

Sounds like scummy scheming to me

/ˈskiːmɪŋ/
adjective
given to or involved in making secret and underhand scummy plans.

In any case: So much for the very unlikely "rare town condition to get triggered by the unvote guy voting" theory

Well, even so - You've got nothing to worry about. Half these town guys don't even have legs or do they?

Sonic you are trying to throw shade on me and not that well.
I didn't say I thought I would get away with my vote not counting not being noticed, I said I didn't know HOW it would be revealed.
I thought maybe the end of day vote count wouldn't tally.
OK so maybe you want to twist that too and say I'm saying I thought I would get away with it?
No I presumed there would be evidence of it at some point but didn't know what the exact evidence would be or when.
Look I'm now a bit suspicious of you my friend - why is the above your second blatant attempt to throw shade on me?
Have not all my actions so far been to get information on the basis that the more chat out there the better it is for town?

What I would really love Sonic is if you made a claim as to who you are.
Go on I dare you to be brave - not curl up in a spiky ball!

[Loose Canon]

There's a possibility I've just seen regarding why I tried 2 posts yesterday that failed.
In making my last post I pressed submit then saw the message that there had been a new post since I started so I might want to revise my post in the light of what new had come up.
I pressed submit again just now.
I didn't do that last night just went onto my normal risk games then went back to check posts etc.

Sorry for the blind alley / my stupidity/tiredness guys

[Maxleod]

There's a possibility I've just seen regarding why I tried 2 posts yesterday that failed.
In making my last post I pressed submit then saw the message that there had been a new post since I started so I might want to revise my post in the light of what new had come up.
I pressed submit again just now.
I didn't do that last night just went onto my normal risk games then went back to check posts etc.

Sorry for the blind alley / my stupidity/tiredness guys

Yaeh you're full of shit. But by all means, keep talking, keep digging your grave.

[Ragian]

Yeah, Pix (and the rest). Sorry. I've fallen into real life work BS. I've only skimmed, so I don't feel comfortable posting anything game related right now. I hope to have an hour or so tomorrow to walk through the four ish pages I'm behind. This is just to say that I'm busy. There's a light, though.

[Maxleod]

Unvote

Vote Loose Cannon

[DirtyDishSoap]

There's a possibility I've just seen regarding why I tried 2 posts yesterday that failed.
In making my last post I pressed submit then saw the message that there had been a new post since I started so I might want to revise my post in the light of what new had come up.
I pressed submit again just now.
I didn't do that last night just went onto my normal risk games then went back to check posts etc.

Sorry for the blind alley / my stupidity/tiredness guys

Yaeh you're full of shit. But by all means, keep talking, keep digging your grave.

Stellar detective work captain. Have any more obscenities you want to toss around, or would you rather engage and actually put some thought behind why you think Loose is lying?

[Loose Canon]

Hi Sonic,

A gentle reminder that I've challenged you to make a claim as to your identity.

I don't know for sure if you are mafia or not - because I'm town.

If you are mafia you know I am not.
As things stand if you are not mafia you will look like mafia when I am voted out or murdered.
Whatever you are, currently town will be suspicious of you.
If you are mafia then currently mafia will be groaning at you and might actually decide they are better off with you gone.

Whatever you are your best play right now is to make a claim as to your identity.

You know what? - If you make a claim, I'll make a claim.

What if we both claim to be town characters and are both town?
Currently Mafia are laughing with 2 townies going at each other.
But town would still be better off than they are now in that scenario because then we stop fighting.

Thats why I'm challenging you to reveal yourself now as I'm confident it is the right thing for town.

[Loose Canon]

Also Sonic,

The above move would be madness if I was not town.

[SoN!c]

Hi Sonic,

A gentle reminder that I've challenged you to make a claim as to your identity.

I don't know for sure if you are mafia or not - because I'm town.

If you are mafia you know I am not.
As things stand if you are not mafia you will look like mafia when I am voted out or murdered.
Whatever you are, currently town will be suspicious of you.
If you are mafia then currently mafia will be groaning at you and might actually decide they are better off with you gone.

Whatever you are your best play right now is to make a claim as to your identity.

You know what? - If you make a claim, I'll make a claim.

What if we both claim to be town characters and are both town?
Currently Mafia are laughing with 2 townies going at each other.
But town would still be better off than they are now in that scenario because then we stop fighting.

Thats why I'm challenging you to reveal yourself now as I'm confident it is the right thing for town.

Whatever you say Loose, you say your town - i say im town. We can do this all day long honey.

Would be fairly stupid to say your mafia hee Loose, even for your character. But perhaps i'll get you there on D2 if i poke around a bit more and try to stir the pot to a boiling point.

That is if you don't scheme to kill me in the night right?. Then your prime suspect n1 (together with Pix). Pretty strait forward


Also i play the game like im on character, or try too - giving lots of clues away - yours to find out.. It is The Tick after all.

One more clue: I don't have a job or alter ego

What is your alter ego Loose?


PS: "If you are mafia then currently mafia will be groaning at you and might actually decide they are better off with you gone." This would never happen, mafia killing mafia on N1 so please ask the Eveil* Genius to cock up better stories.. This one (saying mafia will kill mafia on N1) sounds like im getting real close and mafia wants to get rid of me before i get closer, making a clumsy excuse for it

PS2: "As things stand if you are not mafia you will look like mafia when I am voted out or murdered."

"if you are not mafia you will look like mafia" - sounds like your trying to make me shut up, again looks like im getting close.

*Not a typo

[SoN!c]

Also Sonic,

The above move would be madness if I was not town.

It is called a "mistake" not madness (the mistake you made voting while you were thinking the "non-vote" would not be seen). You already admitted it

The madness is all your stories to try to talk your way out of it.

PS: If you don't wanna say who your alter ego is then just give a clue like i did

[Loose Canon]

Hi Sonic,

In the real world I've just woken up and am a bit late to work - so I'll make this short while I ponder your reply.

I too have left breadcrumbs as to my identity in 2 previous posts.

[SoN!c]

Hi Sonic,

In the real world I've just woken up and am a bit late to work - so I'll make this short while I ponder your reply.

I too have left breadcrumbs as to my identity in 2 previous posts.

Have a great real world day Loose!

[PepeAtila]

I agree son!c.
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And I think they are managing to do what they wanted.

• Degaston counts votes on 03 Sep 2023, 01:00
  

  Vote Count:
  

  *Pixar* : 7 ...
  

• Next person writing was Loose Canon
  

  Pixar the studios taking over the world of The Tick might be a sort of joke by Degaston so I might change my vote to Pixar.
  
  But for now I want to see if there is any traction for voting Ragian - for the reasoning of my previous post.
  
  So Vote Ragian

  
  
• Next vote count by Degaston on 05 Sep 2023, 15:38
  

  Vote Count:
  

  *Pixar* : 8 (L-2) ...
  Ragian : 0 (Loose Canon)

  
  
• and happyly the next writing ...
  

  Before I claim should we look at why Loose Cannon's vote didn't count for Ragian? Was that a typo?

  
  
• Now there is no danger
  

  Vote Count:
  

  *Pixar* : 6 ...
  Loose Canon : 3 ...
  Ragian : 0 * (Loose Canon)
  

  10 votes needed to lynch
  * Not a typo

Perhaps there are coincidences but Pixar did never claim and now the results are: ....

divide and conquer

[Charle]

Guys, sorry that I am so quiet, I am new to this and believe me I am reading everything every day.

I read a bit through google and thinking that there is a chance that Loose could have sacrificed his vote to reveal another player's role, therefore makes him a townie and a good benefit for day 2 if he is alive?

[SoN!c]

I agree son!c.
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And I think they are managing to do what they wanted.

• Degaston counts votes on 03 Sep 2023, 01:00
  

  Vote Count:
  

  *Pixar* : 7 ...
  

• Next person writing was Loose Canon
  

  Pixar the studios taking over the world of The Tick might be a sort of joke by Degaston so I might change my vote to Pixar.
  
  But for now I want to see if there is any traction for voting Ragian - for the reasoning of my previous post.
  
  So Vote Ragian

  
  
• Next vote count by Degaston on 05 Sep 2023, 15:38
  

  Vote Count:
  

  *Pixar* : 8 (L-2) ...
  Ragian : 0 (Loose Canon)

  
  
• and happyly the next writing ...
  

  Before I claim should we look at why Loose Cannon's vote didn't count for Ragian? Was that a typo?

  
  
• Now there is no danger
  

  Vote Count:
  

  *Pixar* : 6 ...
  Loose Canon : 3 ...
  Ragian : 0 * (Loose Canon)
  

  10 votes needed to lynch
  * Not a typo

Perhaps there are coincidences but Pixar did never claim and now the results are: ....

divide and conquer

Exactly right

Loose only voted when Pix was in trouble

Im sure he would not have voted otherwise

[*]Degaston counts votes on 03 Sep 2023, 01:00

Vote Count:

*Pixar* : 7 ...

[*]Next person writing was Loose Canon

Pixar the studios taking over the world of The Tick might be a sort of joke by Degaston so I might change my vote to Pixar.

But for now I want to see if there is any traction for voting Ragian - for the reasoning of my previous post.

So Vote Ragian

He knew he could not vote, only he was thinking the non-vote would not be seen by the rest...

So he made that move only to protect Pix (a bit in panic as Pix was already on 7 votes).

The eveil genius later said that vote of Loose was not needed. Ofcourse you can read that 2 ways

But for Loose, that was the critical error that exposed him.

[SoN!c]

Guys, sorry that I am so quiet, I am new to this and believe me I am reading everything every day.

I read a bit through google and thinking that there is a chance that Loose could have sacrificed his vote to reveal another player's role, therefore makes him a townie and a good benefit for day 2 if he is alive?

Who did he reveal? He voted Ragian.

And he did not sacrifice his vote, he already admitted he knew his vote would not count. He just was thinking the vote would not count.

As he voted Ragian then Ragian would have needed 11 votes to lynch (loose his vote not counting) But by selecting Ragian -who did not have a single vote at that moment- he was thinking there would be no way in hell Ragian got another 9 or 10 votes... and his non-voting would not get revealed..