The Tick Mafia - JUSTICE PREVAILS!

[DirtyDishSoap]

Announcement:
traffic133 has asked to be replaced. I've asked gimpyThewonder, but he hasn't read my message yet. If anyone knows someone else who wants to play, have them PM me.

I've messaged IcePack.

@Rag - I'm not sure if it matters if Razor posts or not considering the deadline is around the corner.

I actually kind of defended pix on not claiming at L2 on a joke wagon because the wagon should have never gotten that far on a joke. I'm overall still neutral to iffy on him overall at how he completely avoided doing anything in his defense and has been limited in talking about reads.

I am slightly wary about Loose as well. As I've said, it's really uncommon and usually too detrimental to mafia balance wise to have a mafia role that can't vote. Like the mafia in this game is likely 4-5 players, having a mafia member who can't vote even conditionally would take away 20% to 25% of their voting power. If we assume somewhere between 12-15 townies then one vote So for that reason It's really difficult for me to believe he is scum. That said, his insistence on asking for soft claims is odd to me and I do think he has some kind of ulterior motive there, likely one related to his inability to vote.

If experienced players seem against you, is it possibly more likely that you're arguing positions that they know don't usually work out rather than Dega made all the experienced players mafia?

That joke wagon never had any merit behind it and i strongly suspect the 5th, 6th vote to be scum related.

That being said, i can't recall any scum role with a voteless power unless it's a custom role. My theory is that it's Sidekick related.

I'm chalking up the attempts to reveal is just inexperience. He thinks he's right, we think not, not going down that rabbit hole. Tunneling 101. Not that I'm innocent of that. Lol

[DirtyDishSoap]

Agree w/ Charle and Swang and Sonic. Especially when Swang said something along the lines of Sonic being "pure chaos" while Loose is "shady chaos". I'm probably going to get lynched for this tonight or tomorrow but it seems like there's a group of experienced players already protecting each other which is super shady to me since it's only Day 1. Like of course strike and DDS and EW are going to know EXACTLY what to say to make you feel comfy with them being Town and now we're all just supposed to follow along and vote No Lynch because they decided that.

EW went after me initially, and i suspect he would have continued if Strike never mentioned my M/O, likewise, Strike took his vote off Rag after some brief info as to why he voted for me. We all appear Town to one another, but that could change. This is sort of the "feel out" phase. Although it quickly turned into a chaotic mess.

Other than that, been fighting against a silly bandwagon, these goofy breadcrumb soft claims, and the even weider game inside a game. We look comfortable because we're not tossing out inane gibber jabber.

Also traffic just coming in without reading anything and magically coming to the conclusion to No Vote is kind of weird to me...seems like he saw one of the experienced players who he knows is in his coalition and followed suit (just my two cents).

Well, sadly he is just an inactive player, and going after inactives tend to be useless.

Law and Duke have a lot of Town Cred in my book ATM. Bax is completely neutral to me. We wasted all of Day 3 in Prison Mafia getting him out when he defended himself ZILCH and he turned out to be a Cop. At the very least he already voted once which is more than Prison.

I think at least one of Pixar and Loose is definitely not Town. Still confused by that whole situation.

Bax is useless.
Pixar and Loose. Already mentioned Pixar. Not going to reiterate.
Loose, however, is living up to his username. We should not be entertaining the idea of soft claims. On Day 1. With nothing else to go off of.

[Ragian]

@DDS, just making sure that his promise is noted and recorded.

[Extreme Ways]

to all thats been said earlier about our little experienced player townfeels - it might very well change after N1. Ragian in prison mafia seemed town for quite a while, until he wasn't. Fusi seemed town (which tbh I didnt understand from the getgo) in elementary until the inconsistency was found out.

I feel like fusi should know this, FoS fusi.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Final thoughts before the end of the Day just in case.

Loose is voteless D1, that is the only certain thing we know, now he has an ability that will come in play D2 or later: A couple of options (Odd voteless being able to vote only on even days plus probably another ability, or just voteless till a certain condition is fulfilled).
Voteless is unlikely to be mafia, but his recent attitude to get claims tells me maybe third parties, or his condition is knowing someone's role, so maybe his ability is to switch roles with someone. Not sure if there is a role like it or a character who could fit this description.
He even made up that game within a game that certainly won’t help town

Sonic speaks way more of what he actually knows, he bends things into head cannon facts and says he actually found things with his picking, when these were things we already knew like the voteless situation or things we can not prove. (So either he believes he figured something for real and that is that easy to find things D1 or just chaos as someone else said) Like I don’t get why Loose believe when Sonic said he felt a cop vive in Charle, but ok

Razor, oddly silent for his personality, promised a post that wouldn't come unless I missed it somewhere.

Pixar's attitude to a joke bandwagon was maybe ok, I was not expecting him to claim some needless words about his claim tho, but later on it seems more normal.

Fusi seems more analytical this time, close to the prison game, which makes him a bit more townie in my mind, but maybe he learnt from hsi silent go on Elementary and certainly a very smart player, so nothing certain.

EW, Rag, DDS and Strike are incredibly hard to read, probably because they have more experience, usually they say the right things, so that's good, but can’t be ruled out for certain.

Swang first vote on me because he felt I was trying to keep the wagon against Pixar going, when I meant otherwise, then he changed to Loose and defended why, seems honest to me

Not enough info to comment on anyone else I think.

PS: Trying to find someone to replace traffic or Bax

[Extreme Ways]

Voteless is unlikely to be mafia, but his recent attitude to get claims tells me maybe third parties, or his condition is knowing someone's role, so maybe his ability is to switch roles with someone. Not sure if there is a role like it or a character who could fit this description.

Strong point! I am aware of the following roles (which are all not voteless). They aren't all what you described but I think it's useful for me to put them out there:
1. Amnesiac (3P). Once per game, can convert to any dead player's role at night and become/stay that role (but usually you know the roles of dead players, so).
2. Defector (Town). Once per game, may convert to a on Night 4
3. Mason (Town). Each night, meets with other Masons to vote on a player to visit and convert to a Mason. If the visited player is Mafia-aligned, visiting masons will die. (this nerfs town hard, very unlikely)
4. Tax Collector (3P). Each night, may visit a player and collect overdue taxes. Will learn the taxed player’s alignment and convert upon visiting. If the player is Town-aligned, they are converted to a Villager. If the player is Mafia-aligned, they are converted to a Mafia. If the player is Third Party, they are converted to a Scumbag. Wins if alive when Town loses
5. Corruptor (Mafia). Once per game, may choose a player to visit and convert to a Traitor. If the converted Traitor dies, the Corruptor dies as well. If the Corruptor dies, the converted Traitor dies as well
6. Thorne (3P). Each night, may choose a player to visit and kill. Upon a successful kill, will convert to the targeted player’s role. The killed player’s role will be hidden upon death, and instead reveal as their alignment (e.g. Town-aligned, Mafia-aligned, or Third Party)

These are all roles on mafia.gg with conversion in their mechanics that I found worth mentioning. There are more, but this list is already... quite long with most unlikely.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Thanks EW, Yeah, sound unlikely, but certainly possible, If I remember correctly, Deg said he could change or blend some roles. Out of ur 6 options 1 Mafia, 2 Town 3 Third P, so yeah unlikely to eb town, ut third party rises its chances

[Extreme Ways]

I still think that a town-aligned vote alternator or smth is most likely. I find it difficult to read loose because if it wasnt for his lack of vote power I would read him scum.

[SoN!c]

I still think that a town-aligned vote alternator or smth is most likely. I find it difficult to read loose because if it wasnt for his lack of vote power I would read him scum.

Voteless during the day does not mean voteless during the night?

[Extreme Ways]

I still think that a town-aligned vote alternator or smth is most likely. I find it difficult to read loose because if it wasnt for his lack of vote power I would read him scum.

Voteless during the day does not mean voteless during the night?

You say you spout bs to see if someone ends up saying inconsistent. Annoying strategy but ok. However, these instances are not when you should apply it because you confuse town a whole lot more than a potential gain. What if I would say yes?

[SoN!c]

Final thoughts before the end of the Day just in case.

Loose is voteless D1, that is the only certain thing we know, now he has an ability that will come in play D2 or later: A couple of options (Odd voteless being able to vote only on even days plus probably another ability, or just voteless till a certain condition is fulfilled).
Voteless is unlikely to be mafia, but his recent attitude to get claims tells me maybe third parties, or his condition is knowing someone's role, so maybe his ability is to switch roles with someone. Not sure if there is a role like it or a character who could fit this description.
He even made up that game within a game that certainly won’t help town

Sonic speaks way more of what he actually knows, he bends things into head cannon facts and says he actually found things with his picking, when these were things we already knew like the voteless situation or things we can not prove. (So either he believes he figured something for real and that is that easy to find things D1 or just chaos as someone else said) Like I don’t get why Loose believe when Sonic said he felt a cop vive in Charle, but ok

Razor, oddly silent for his personality, promised a post that wouldn't come unless I missed it somewhere.

Pixar's attitude to a joke bandwagon was maybe ok, I was not expecting him to claim some needless words about his claim tho, but later on it seems more normal.

Fusi seems more analytical this time, close to the prison game, which makes him a bit more townie in my mind, but maybe he learnt from hsi silent go on Elementary and certainly a very smart player, so nothing certain.

EW, Rag, DDS and Strike are incredibly hard to read, probably because they have more experience, usually they say the right things, so that's good, but can’t be ruled out for certain.

Swang first vote on me because he felt I was trying to keep the wagon against Pixar going, when I meant otherwise, then he changed to Loose and defended why, seems honest to me

Not enough info to comment on anyone else I think.

PS: Trying to find someone to replace traffic or Bax

You should get an english crash course my friend. Not like reading it with old blue spanish eyes all the time.

I only reacted to Charles there saying "and You look like an ex-cop" when he called me a cop.. that was all.. and look at his profile picture.. looks like an ex-cop? lighten up please?

You certainly wanna get smoke on me it seams, every chance you get you blow smoke on me, not big blows, just little pufs to plant little seeds in peoples head - get a room with Ragian? Twisting words or not reading what it actually says? Riding the "experienced train" we have to follow no questions asked? Ragian does it without the elaborate smoke but with you it seems there is a strategy behind it all

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Final thoughts before the end of the Day just in case.

Loose is voteless D1, that is the only certain thing we know, now he has an ability that will come in play D2 or later: A couple of options (Odd voteless being able to vote only on even days plus probably another ability, or just voteless till a certain condition is fulfilled).
Voteless is unlikely to be mafia, but his recent attitude to get claims tells me maybe third parties, or his condition is knowing someone's role, so maybe his ability is to switch roles with someone. Not sure if there is a role like it or a character who could fit this description.
He even made up that game within a game that certainly won’t help town

Sonic speaks way more of what he actually knows, he bends things into head cannon facts and says he actually found things with his picking, when these were things we already knew like the voteless situation or things we can not prove. (So either he believes he figured something for real and that is that easy to find things D1 or just chaos as someone else said) Like I don’t get why Loose believe when Sonic said he felt a cop vive in Charle, but ok

Razor, oddly silent for his personality, promised a post that wouldn't come unless I missed it somewhere.

Pixar's attitude to a joke bandwagon was maybe ok, I was not expecting him to claim some needless words about his claim tho, but later on it seems more normal.

Fusi seems more analytical this time, close to the prison game, which makes him a bit more townie in my mind, but maybe he learnt from hsi silent go on Elementary and certainly a very smart player, so nothing certain.

EW, Rag, DDS and Strike are incredibly hard to read, probably because they have more experience, usually they say the right things, so that's good, but can’t be ruled out for certain.

Swang first vote on me because he felt I was trying to keep the wagon against Pixar going, when I meant otherwise, then he changed to Loose and defended why, seems honest to me

Not enough info to comment on anyone else I think.

PS: Trying to find someone to replace traffic or Bax

You should get an english crash course my friend. Not like reading it with old blue spanish eyes all the time.

I only reacted to Charles there saying "and You look like an ex-cop" when he called me a cop.. that was all.. and look at his profile picture.. looks like an ex-cop? lighten up please?

You certainly wanna get smoke on me it seams, every chance you get you blow smoke on me, not big blows, just little pufs to plant little seeds in peoples head - get a room with Ragian? Twisting words or not reading what it actually says? Riding the "experienced train" we have to follow no questions asked? Ragian does it without the elaborate smoke but with you it seems there is a strategy behind it all

Pretty sure my post is easy to understand. (But you have had problem understanding other people post on the site but that is not the point here).

Like you fixated on the cop comment. btw, no, he does not look like a cop to me, he even said he is not, but that really it's not the point even if he were a real cop would be almost imposible to figure things out on D1. So What I meant is why did Loose fixated into that comment, seems weird to me? is like he badly wants to finds someone role. The comment was more about Loose than to you. Cause I largely agree with EW you confuse town more thn help it figure things out.

[SoN!c]

(But you have had problem understanding other people post on the site but that is not the point here).

These are the little pufs im talking about.. you do it every time.. little seeds.. Seems a strategy behind it all. Because that is you - your playing and you wanna win so bad

[Extreme Ways]

no you are just trying to push buttons

[Loose Canon]

Has anyone had strong feelings at any point of day 1 that they were onto a player as being mafia?
- you might not have aired them and you may have changed your mind since

[Loose Canon]

(Maybe best to just ask yourself the answer to my last question rather than post answers here at this point in the game though)

[Loose Canon]

I guess what I'm saying is
If a strong instinctive feeling gets disproven my subsequent facts bin it and with it any future similar strong instinctive feelings for other players and go just with logic (yours or other players)
However if you have had a strong instinctive feeling already and it doesn't get disproven by subsequent facts, even though logic may have turned you off of suspicion now, just keep the suspicion at the back of your mind in case the facts or logic lead back to that person.

[DukeHazzard]

You should get an english crash course my friend. Not like reading it with old blue spanish eyes all the time.

Ya, I'm not having any trouble following Traf's english. I do have trouble following your scattered thoughts tho. Maybe you're the one that needs a course...

[DukeHazzard]

no you are just trying to push buttons

agreed

[degaston]

Good evening. Our top story tonight: Nothing!

That's right, nothing happened today! At least nothing truly newsworthy. Perturbed Citizens took to the streets, gripped by an overwhelming sense of mild disquiet. Fearful of... something... they spoke to each other in hushed tones about breadcrumbs and Pumpkin Spice Lattés. Many Citizens appeared to spend most of the day in bed, while a few malcontents attempted to stir the crowd to violence. At one point, a chess game nearly broke out. Cooler heads prevailed, however, and the crowd quietly dispersed. Our reporters are on the scene, ready to bring you updates in case anything actually does happen.

For The City News, I'm Sally Vacuum.
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IT IS NOW NIGHT 1
Please send your Night Actions to me by Private Message ASAP.

There is to be no posting in this thread until Day 2

[degaston]

Day 2: Violence Erupts!

After a tense night, The City awakens to find that the fears from the previous day were well justified.
Charle has been shot!

show: Charle

Players:

show: Players

IT IS NOW DAY 2

You may resume posting in this thread.
With 18 left alive, 10 votes are needed for a lynch.

[strike wolf]

Well that's a rather hefty loss. The city will miss Mung Mung and his wacky medicine.

[strike wolf]

So coming off yesterday, I don't feel much has changed for me
I don't like how committed Loose was to trying to get soft claims and it made me feel he had an ulterior motive probably related to finding a certain character in the game. Loose should vote for someone today so we can see if he is still voteless.

That said, Razor is still towards the top of my scummy list for his unusual quiet and the way he seemed to pick targets and then make the case later.

As for the night kill analysis, I'm not sure there's much to read or not. Charle based on his activity yesterday seems like a somewhat random choice.

[Loose Canon]

Did anything else happen?- I slept like a log

[traffic133]

yeah i slept well too best nights sleep for me in a long time