Israel

[HitRed]

Monuments and War

[ConfederateSS]

Agree with Duk.

Also this -

only after Hitler died and the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki did they consent to surrender

- is flatly wrong. In July 1945, Japan offered, via Switzerland, to surrender to the United States. The U.S. attacked Hiroshima and Nagasaki a month later. Even Admiral Leahy, Truman's chief of staff, agreed the atom bombs were unnecessary:

"It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons."

It was 50% science experiment and 50% Truman '48 campaign stunt.

--------Yes, Duk was right, FDR wanted Japan to attack The USA...He thought The Philippines...Never expected Pearl Harbor... Western countries viewed The Japanese, not equal...To their Military...Even though Japan had the largest and best navy in 1940 /41 A.D...Japan conquered 3 times the territory, their European partners did...Japan started WW2 in 1931 A.D., ended with their defeat in 1945 A.D...
-------- The U.S. wanted the war over...The troops from Europe were in the Panama Canal heading for Japan...When the Bomb was dropped...
-------- My High School History teacher, served in Korea... Married a Japanese Woman...She said, she was given a bamboo stick...To fight with when Americans landed...I don't know how children, women with Bamboo weapons against U.S. Marines would look...
-------- Yes, America wanted revenge for Pearl Harbor...The way Iwo Jima and Okinawa battles went...Blood baths...The Japanese would not be taken alive...Invasion of the Japanese home islands would cost unmountable American lives...The USA would only accept unconditional surrender, the Japanese would not let the Emperor/their GOD surrender...
-------- These led to the Bomb , being used...A clear message/s had to wake up the Japanese...The Emperor was allowed to stay , to help the peace, But worse than THE BOMBS, MacArthur was put in charge of Japan...He was worse than Custer, as far as someone who thinks he is GOD on Earth...
-------- Someone posted earlier (jokingly, I think BTR )...The Japanese have no warrior spirit anymore...I think the BOMB knocked it out of them...Which I think was America's plan...Just to end WW2, not forever...... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[ConfederateSS]

The IDF today killed three Israelis held in preventative detention ("hostage") by Hamas.

Israeli "Hostages" Killed by Hamas: 0, but 3 , 2 IDF soldiers captured, 1 taken from the music festival found dead...You must have forgot to put that, I got your back Saxi...
Israeli "Hostages" Killed by Israel: 3

------Saxi...You left out, since the Gaza push...IDF has killed (friendly fire)...9 Israeli soldiers... including 3 IDF soldiers with the 3 Hostages...Things happen in tenths of a second in war... That's how the battlefield is...... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[jusplay4fun]

The IDF today killed three Israelis held in preventative detention ("hostage") by Hamas.

Israeli "Hostages" Killed by Hamas: 0
Israeli "Hostages" Killed by Israel: 3

This is simply premature and simply Hamas Propaganda, spouted by the Minister of CC Propaganda, saxi. You forgot to add none the Hamas ADMITS to killing. We shall await the final tally of hostages killed by Hamas. I am sure the count will not be ZERO.

Israel is an open society, willing to admit mistakes, Hamas is NOT and hides the truth in the dark of its many tunnels, like rats.

[Dukasaur]

The IDF today killed three Israelis held in preventative detention ("hostage") by Hamas.

Israeli "Hostages" Killed by Hamas: 0
Israeli "Hostages" Killed by Israel: 3

This is simply premature and simply Hamas Propaganda, spouted by the Minister of CC Propaganda, saxi. You forgot to add none the Hamas ADMITS to killing. We shall await the final tally of hostages killed by Hamas. I am sure the count will not be ZERO.

Israel is an open society, willing to admit mistakes, Hamas is NOT and hides the truth in the dark of its many tunnels, like rats.

All the casualties on both sides are ultimately caused by Hamas. This was a completely unprovoked war started by them, for strategic reasons purely their own, and every person killed, wounded, or left homeless can thank Hamas for it.

[saxitoxin]

All the casualties on both sides are ultimately caused by Hamas. This was a completely unprovoked war started by them

Actually, it was completely provoked:

May 9, 2023: Israeli airstrikes on the blockaded Gaza Strip targeting the militant group Palestinian Islamic Jihad have killed three senior operatives and at least nine civilians, including three children, according to the Israeli army and Palestinian officials. A total of 40 jets took part in Operation Shield and Arrow, the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) said, conducting strikes that lasted about two hours starting at 2am (12am BST) on Tuesday.

The unexpected Israeli attack came despite a fragile ceasefire in place since a day of cross-frontier exchanges of fire last week triggered by the death on hunger strike of Khader Adnan, a prominent political figure affiliated with Islamic Jihad held in Israeli custody. Israel reportedly relayed messages to Hamas that it was targeting the smaller Islamic Jihad rather than the dominant militant group. Wary of escalation, Hamas has stayed on the sidelines during recent escalations, while allowing Islamic Jihad to operate. But given Tuesday’s unusual targeted operation, and the high death toll, Hamas is now under significant pressure to respond.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... ad-leaders

History didn't begin on October 7.

[bigtoughralf]

All the casualties on both sides are ultimately caused by Hamas. This was a completely unprovoked war started by them, for strategic reasons purely their own, and every person killed, wounded, or left homeless can thank Hamas for it.

And yet you don't similarly believe that Russia's invasion of Ukraine is Ukraine and the West's fault for provoking Russia.

I wonder what might be making you less sympathetic to Palestine than you are to Ukraine

[Votanic]

All the casualties on both sides are ultimately caused by Hamas. This was a completely unprovoked war started by them, for strategic reasons purely their own, and every person killed, wounded, or left homeless can thank Hamas for it.

And yet you don't similarly believe that Russia's invasion of Ukraine is Ukraine and the West's fault for provoking Russia.

I wonder what might be making you less sympathetic to Palestine than you are to Ukraine

A good question and one that you should also answer too, ralf, but in vice-versa, of course.

[ConfederateSS]

All the casualties on both sides are ultimately caused by Hamas. This was a completely unprovoked war started by them

Actually, it was completely provoked:

May 9, 2023: Israeli airstrikes on the blockaded Gaza Strip targeting the militant group Palestinian Islamic Jihad have killed three senior operatives and at least nine civilians, including three children, according to the Israeli army and Palestinian officials. A total of 40 jets took part in Operation Shield and Arrow, the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) said, conducting strikes that lasted about two hours starting at 2am (12am BST) on Tuesday.

The unexpected Israeli attack came despite a fragile ceasefire in place since a day of cross-frontier exchanges of fire last week triggered by the death on hunger strike of Khader Adnan, a prominent political figure affiliated with Islamic Jihad held in Israeli custody. Israel reportedly relayed messages to Hamas that it was targeting the smaller Islamic Jihad rather than the dominant militant group. Wary of escalation, Hamas has stayed on the sidelines during recent escalations, while allowing Islamic Jihad to operate. But given Tuesday’s unusual targeted operation, and the high death toll, Hamas is now under significant pressure to respond.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... ad-leaders

History didn't begin on October 7.

----- Archeology proves The Bible to be Real......
-------The Amarna Tablets found in 1887 A.D...Tell when Joshua Started to Take the land in question in 1404 B.C...With GOD's O.K...Killing everyone,Man, Women, Child...The Battle rages back and forth...3,427 Years ...2023 A.D...... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... ... Although The Romans, Ottomans, British, have a little blame to bare... Setting Today's 2 state system...The Promise Land...

[ConfederateSS]

-----After days of fighting, soldiers can be rattled... Attacks, by all kinds of tactics... Confusion sets in... Itchy trigger fingers...
------- IDF soldiers fired on, hostages...After near a building with S.O.S. written on it...The Hostages were shirtless, one yelling HELP in Hebrew, One waving a White Flag/cloth on a stick... But, gunned down...Ouch...Sad... ... IDF didn't even take a second, White Flag...Ouch... Tragedies always get worse , as the information pours in...... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[bigtoughralf]

All the casualties on both sides are ultimately caused by Hamas. This was a completely unprovoked war started by them, for strategic reasons purely their own, and every person killed, wounded, or left homeless can thank Hamas for it.

And yet you don't similarly believe that Russia's invasion of Ukraine is Ukraine and the West's fault for provoking Russia.

I wonder what might be making you less sympathetic to Palestine than you are to Ukraine

A good question and one that you should also answer too, ralf, but in vice-versa, of course.

All you guys insisting I think Russia's invasion is great or that Hamas are angels. If you bothered reading my posts before replying to them you'd see I've explicitly said the exact opposite of both those statements.

You seem to have confused 'does not slavishly suck off everything the US Government does'* with 'must be a communist spy'. Those years you spent at school being forced to salute your national flag every morning really did a number on your critical thinking, huh.



*although tbf in this instance even Biden has gone on record saying Israel's actions in Gaza are 'unjustifiable', so quite where you're getting your pro-IDF propaganda lines from I really can't tell

[HitRed]

December 16, 23 Adoration

I am who I say I am, the Great God of Israel, the one to come for the final time to bring all who belong to me home. I live! I bring peace and the knowledge of a gentle and loving God that wants you with Him forever in paradise. I come like a soft-spoken word on the wind. Be always open to my word that awaits to be heard. I am He that calls to you that longs to bring you closer to the one who made you. I follow every step and see everything nothing escapes me for I am the Lord the God of Hosts. Nothing goes unheard or unseen. I am the Lord your God follow me.

[saxitoxin]

December 16, 23 Adoration

I am who I say I am, the Great God of Israel, the one to come for the final time to bring all who belong to me home. I live! I bring peace and the knowledge of a gentle and loving God that wants you with Him forever in paradise. I come like a soft-spoken word on the wind. Be always open to my word that awaits to be heard. I am He that calls to you that longs to bring you closer to the one who made you. I follow every step and see everything nothing escapes me for I am the Lord the God of Hosts. Nothing goes unheard or unseen. I am the Lord your God follow me.

Also today, Cardinal Pierbattista Pizzaballa announced that Zionist snipers shot dead two Christian women who were attending Sunday church services at the Holy Family Parish. The Zionist snipers then shot seven more Christians. The Zionists then used tanks to attack the nuns at the Missionaries of Charity compound.

Click image to enlarge.

[saxitoxin]

The Zionists have now canceled Christmas at Jesus' birthplace.

Christmas celebrations in Bethlehem, the birthplace of Jesus Christ, are set to be all but cancelled this year, amid the on-going war between Israel and Hamas. Churches in the Holy Land of Christianity, which lies in the West Bank, demanded that festivities be toned down this Christmas in recognition of the suffering of the people of Gaza amid Israel's response to Hamas' October 7 terror attack.

'We cannot celebrate when our brothers and sisters are dying,' Issa Thaljieh, a Greek-Orthodox priest of the Church of the Nativity, the 4th-century place of worship whose crypt holds Christ's supposed birthplace, told the Times.

Thaljieh said he had learned that an entire family from Gaza he knew were recently wiped out in an airstrike, months after he led prayers for their newborn daughter.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... dshed.html

[Dukasaur]

All the casualties on both sides are ultimately caused by Hamas. This was a completely unprovoked war started by them, for strategic reasons purely their own, and every person killed, wounded, or left homeless can thank Hamas for it.

And yet you don't similarly believe that Russia's invasion of Ukraine is Ukraine and the West's fault for provoking Russia.

Actually, I have strongly criticized the reckless NATO expansion which partly set the stage for the war in Ukraine. The most recent example was a discussion with Votanic in this forum, probably not more than two weeks ago. You can't have forgotten already.

The thing is, while NATO's expansionism did help set up the dominoes there, they didn't ultimately pull the trigger. If Putin wasn't an egotist who sees himself as the conqueror who will restore the glory of the Soviet Empire, the tanks would not have rolled. If a less power-mad president was in the Kremlin, he might have campaigned for a diplomatic agreement that would end Nato's expansion. He might even have done some sabre-rattling, but stopped short of outright war.

Hamas has never even made a pretense of diplomacy. Violence is always their first, second, and third choice. Even in times of complete calm they are busy launching their rockets at Israeli neighbourhoods.

[Pack Rat]

All the casualties on both sides are ultimately caused by Hamas. This was a completely unprovoked war started by them, for strategic reasons purely their own, and every person killed, wounded, or left homeless can thank Hamas for it.

And yet you don't similarly believe that Russia's invasion of Ukraine is Ukraine and the West's fault for provoking Russia.

Actually, I have strongly criticized the reckless NATO expansion which partly set the stage for the war in Ukraine. The most recent example was a discussion with Votanic in this forum, probably not more than two weeks ago. You can't have forgotten already.

The thing is, while NATO's expansionism did help set up the dominoes there, they didn't ultimately pull the trigger. If Putin wasn't an egotist who sees himself as the conqueror who will restore the glory of the Soviet Empire, the tanks would not have rolled. If a less power-mad president was in the Kremlin, he might have campaigned for a diplomatic agreement that would end Nato's expansion. He might even have done some sabre-rattling, but stopped short of outright war.

Hamas has never even made a pretense of diplomacy. Violence is always their first, second, and third choice. Even in times of complete calm they are busy launching their rockets at Israeli neighbourhoods.

NATO was never a threat to the Soviet Union or Russia. The alliance was/is a alliance to defend itself against Russia. NATO expansion is the result of Russian threat to its neighbors.

Putin thought he could gobble up Ukraine in a couple of weeks, but failed. The entire world saw Russia as the aggressor. To try to put any blame on NATO is ridiculous.

[Votanic]

All the casualties on both sides are ultimately caused by Hamas. This was a completely unprovoked war started by them, for strategic reasons purely their own, and every person killed, wounded, or left homeless can thank Hamas for it.

And yet you don't similarly believe that Russia's invasion of Ukraine is Ukraine and the West's fault for provoking Russia.

Actually, I have strongly criticized the reckless NATO expansion which partly set the stage for the war in Ukraine. The most recent example was a discussion with Votanic in this forum, probably not more than two weeks ago. You can't have forgotten already.

The thing is, while NATO's expansionism did help set up the dominoes there, they didn't ultimately pull the trigger. If Putin wasn't an egotist who sees himself as the conqueror who will restore the glory of the Soviet Empire, the tanks would not have rolled. If a less power-mad president was in the Kremlin, he might have campaigned for a diplomatic agreement that would end Nato's expansion. He might even have done some sabre-rattling, but stopped short of outright war.

Hamas has never even made a pretense of diplomacy. Violence is always their first, second, and third choice. Even in times of complete calm they are busy launching their rockets at Israeli neighbourhoods.

NATO was never a threat to the Soviet Union or Russia. The alliance was/is a alliance to defend itself against Russia. NATO expansion is the result of Russian threat to its neighbors.

Putin thought he could gobble up Ukraine in a couple of weeks, but failed. The entire world saw Russia as the aggressor. To try to put any blame on NATO is ridiculous.

Totes!
Those Russians just stormed into the Ukraine...like a swarm of... like...like... like what?
Like a wild herd of Jewish settlers rushing in and setting up illegal settlements in the West Bank. Just like that.

[saxitoxin]

Putin thought he could gobble up Ukraine in a couple of weeks, but failed. The entire world saw Russia as the aggressor. To try to put any blame on NATO is ridiculous.

"the entire world" ... AKA NATO, Australia, and Lichtenstein

[Votanic]

Putin thought he could gobble up Ukraine in a couple of weeks, but failed. The entire world saw Russia as the aggressor. To try to put any blame on NATO is ridiculous.

"the entire world" ... AKA NATO, Australia, and Lichtenstein

Yeah, but a lot of that is by second-rate, countries that don't do anything unless its a direct threat to their own small ruling class.
Basically, a lot of them are analaogus to desperate 2-bit whores. They want/need to stay open for service to anyone who might give them a quarter.
Some of those hungry 'service providers' are big gals too, like India and China... but that just means they need more quarters.
Yeah, they're too big to be sanctioned themselves... but also too poor to make sanctions.

Trade or War is another false dichotomy... more like Trade is War.

[Pack Rat]

Putin thought he could gobble up Ukraine in a couple of weeks, but failed. The entire world saw Russia as the aggressor. To try to put any blame on NATO is ridiculous.

"the entire world" ... AKA NATO, Australia, and Lichtenstein

Did I type, the entire world sanctioned Russia, nope.

You can twist words and meanings, but you are a failing troll. Stick to what entertains us, not what makes you look pathetic.

[Pack Rat]

All the casualties on both sides are ultimately caused by Hamas. This was a completely unprovoked war started by them, for strategic reasons purely their own, and every person killed, wounded, or left homeless can thank Hamas for it.

And yet you don't similarly believe that Russia's invasion of Ukraine is Ukraine and the West's fault for provoking Russia.

Actually, I have strongly criticized the reckless NATO expansion which partly set the stage for the war in Ukraine. The most recent example was a discussion with Votanic in this forum, probably not more than two weeks ago. You can't have forgotten already.

The thing is, while NATO's expansionism did help set up the dominoes there, they didn't ultimately pull the trigger. If Putin wasn't an egotist who sees himself as the conqueror who will restore the glory of the Soviet Empire, the tanks would not have rolled. If a less power-mad president was in the Kremlin, he might have campaigned for a diplomatic agreement that would end Nato's expansion. He might even have done some sabre-rattling, but stopped short of outright war.

Hamas has never even made a pretense of diplomacy. Violence is always their first, second, and third choice. Even in times of complete calm they are busy launching their rockets at Israeli neighbourhoods.

NATO was never a threat to the Soviet Union or Russia. The alliance was/is a alliance to defend itself against Russia. NATO expansion is the result of Russian threat to its neighbors.

Putin thought he could gobble up Ukraine in a couple of weeks, but failed. The entire world saw Russia as the aggressor. To try to put any blame on NATO is ridiculous.

Totes!
Those Russians just stormed into the Ukraine...like a swarm of... like...like... like what?
Like a wild herd of Jewish settlers rushing in and setting up illegal settlements in the West Bank. Just like that.

Very true Votanic.

[HitRed]

Sanctions don’t work. Cuba, North Korea, Iran, Russia, …..

[Dukasaur]

NATO was never a threat to the Soviet Union or Russia. The alliance was/is a alliance to defend itself against Russia. NATO expansion is the result of Russian threat to its neighbors.

Putin thought he could gobble up Ukraine in a couple of weeks, but failed. The entire world saw Russia as the aggressor. To try to put any blame on NATO is ridiculous.

I'm not going to rehash the entire argument. I've already made the definitive post on the subject. If you want to review it, click Here.

I agree with you. Putin definitely is the aggressor. That doesn't mean that others haven't done wrong. Just because one side is wrong, does NOT mean the other side is automatically right..

Russian paranoia is a real thing. But the west's decision to expand Nato and encircle Russia was definitely inflammatory and gave confirmation to paranoid Russians who predicted that's what the west would do.

And never forget that our greed created the Russian oligarchy. The proper way to wind down a communist state is to convert its state-owned enterprises to employee co-operatives and distribute shares directly to the employees. A direct transition to capitalism which preserves the core principles of socialism while introducing a nascent market economy. It was the Western banks that piled in there and insisted that the employees should get sweet f*ck all, and that the assets of the state-owned industries should be sold off at fire sale prices to immediately generate cash. Of course the only people in Russia who had ready cash were corrupt apparatchiks, mostly KGB members, who had robbed the collapsing Soviet state and sold some of its assets on the black market. With the proceeds, they bought the rest of the assets at sweetheart prices and became multibillionaires. Our governments watched and did nothing while Russia and the other shards of the former Soviet empire were robbed by their own most crooked officials, at the behest of our parasitical banks. Almost everything that has happened since then stems from that original sin.

[ConfederateSS]

Sanctions don’t work. Cuba, North Korea, Iran, Russia, …..

-----What sanctions on Iran???...Like Obama, Biden is licking Iran's ASS ....Money for Hostages, Restoring the Nuclear deal, and lifting sanctions Trump put on Iran...Iran is free to sell all the oil they want...
-------- I don't hear the protesters complaining about the gas pricing drop...Since the War between Hamas(Iran) and Israel began...As Iran floods the market , spends on weapons, that pass to The forces fighting in the Middle East, Against Israel and the West...... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...