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pmchugh wrote:
No result is definitely roleblock speak: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=No_result
pmchugh wrote:swang918 wrote:re pmc, I agree that votanic's defensiveness is weird after two joke votes. But I've played 2 games w vot and have not seen him get pressured much at all, so maybe this is just how he deals with heat. but its something to keep an eye on and consider for sure.
re voting charle, this is just how charle plays, I don't see anything scummy there either.
so from me, no real reads yet. I'm in favor of another randwagon. Vote DDS for going back to his no lynch d1 thing.
This is sticking out to me, I voted charle and swang jumps to the defence. Fusi puts a well thought out explanation together pointing to charle and swang jumps to attack me.
Poison doctor sounds a reasonable claim, but an easy one to make when you go last and there is zero provable actions that come from it when posioner died so early.
swang918 wrote:So the above was my theory on D1 through N3. Now we are in D4. the main thing to start us off today is Fusi's solve post. However, the problem with fusi's solve is that he confuses the 'no result' investigation results from king and ewe with 'innocent' or 'stayed home' results. And the rest of his theory flows from that misconception and so is built on faulty ground. Fusi appears to think that 'no result' on himself from King's N3 tracking means that he showed up as having stayed home, when in fact no result means king got no result--king got no answer as to whether fusi stayed home or visited someone, king didn't get the answer that fusi stayed home. And so on for sonic. So these are very different things.
Would a town fusi honestly make this mistake? possibly--I looked through fusi's games, and they have not involved a roleblocker or rolestopper. except for the Tick, where he got killed early. So he may honestly not have known.
in any case, you know who for sure knows the difference between a 'no result' and an innocent result? Pmc!! In fact I was not the first to correct fusi--pmc was. earlier he posted thatpmchugh wrote:
No result is definitely roleblock speak: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=No_result
in response to fusi floating the possibility that king's no result means the same as taking no night action. So pmc definitely knows what 'no result' means.
however--he then kind of attacks me for pointing out that he is not cleared:pmchugh wrote:swang918 wrote:re pmc, I agree that votanic's defensiveness is weird after two joke votes. But I've played 2 games w vot and have not seen him get pressured much at all, so maybe this is just how he deals with heat. but its something to keep an eye on and consider for sure.
re voting charle, this is just how charle plays, I don't see anything scummy there either.
so from me, no real reads yet. I'm in favor of another randwagon. Vote DDS for going back to his no lynch d1 thing.
This is sticking out to me, I voted charle and swang jumps to the defence. Fusi puts a well thought out explanation together pointing to charle and swang jumps to attack me.
Poison doctor sounds a reasonable claim, but an easy one to make when you go last and there is zero provable actions that come from it when posioner died so early.
this is most suspicious to me:
1. Based on his balanced posting so far, I believe pmc would not actually believe that I was attacking him, when I merely pointed out that he wasn't yet cleared.
but more importantly:
2. pmc definitely knows that 'no result' does not mean 'no night action' or 'innocent', yet describes fusi's theory as a well thought explanation despite it falling apart by N2.
I think pmc is scum.
and then there's one scum between fusi and charle.
Vote pmc
swang918 wrote:I think its fine to end up with a no lynch but we should at least get some wagons going and some pressure applied and get some vote history to look back on for later days. And with random odds the chances of hitting scum is higher than hitting cop.
swang918 wrote:re pmc, I agree that votanic's defensiveness is weird after two joke votes. But I've played 2 games w vot and have not seen him get pressured much at all, so maybe this is just how he deals with heat. but its something to keep an eye on and consider for sure.
re voting charle, this is just how charle plays, I don't see anything scummy there either.
so from me, no real reads yet. I'm in favor of another randwagon. Vote DDS for going back to his no lynch d1 thing.
swang918 wrote:Loose, why Pixar?
swang918 wrote:I was thinking about pressuring the inactives but in this case they are fusi and kingm, and i donāt really want to actually lynch either of them today because fusi has gotten bounced early for every game recently, and kingm is new. So any presssure on them from me would be pretty toothless
swang918 wrote:I say pixar. A couple people wanted to take votās lynch slower, pix came in with the hammer and ended the day.
Vote Pixar
Iliad wrote:The upside of calling everyone scum and making 1000 predictions is that statistically you should get a few right.
Charle wrote:The nonsense from fusi that you will get "no result" because he did not do anything is very far fetched. It was clearly because Kingm was roleblocked and fusi knew that all along.
fusibaseball wrote:I have no idea why Charle and Swang think my conclusion that King getting no result on tracking me = staying home is far-fetched.
I'm Vanilla Town. I stayed home. Am I missing something here? If you track a Vanilla Town, they take no actions at night, you should get no result. End of story.
My preferred vote is definitely Charle, so I'd most like to see him out today. The other scum is most likely swang based on how conversation has flowed. If we can't get the 4th vote to lynch today and I have to be the one to do it, I'll switch my vote, but my preference is Charle because I think he's the bus driver.
And just for clarity purposes, I don't think there's any role blocker or deflector or any of that other nonsense in play anymore. It's just a bus driver. All of the weird results can be derived from that one role if you read my last long post.
swang918 wrote:Re devante--before you give anything away, consider that there is a deflector still. so if they target your target they might be able to deflect the action to themselves. Not that big a deal with medicine, but something to consider with your roleblocker and compass.
fusibaseball wrote:I have no idea why Charle and Swang think my conclusion that King getting no result on tracking me = staying home is far-fetched.
No result" is what investigative roles receive for their action if they are roleblocked or similar. While in the majority of cases players are not informed that they have been blocked, if the player is expecting a result, it is terrible form to simply not tell the player anything (they may assume the mod missed their action or forgot to give their result). Therefore it is necessary to tell the player they obtained no results from their investigation.
It should generally not be possible to obtain a "no result" when not blocked; if a role learns that nothing happened, that's not a "no result", it's a result of "nothing happened". For example, a Tracker should be told that his target did not visit anyone
swang918 wrote:Wait a minute. I've been making this needlessly complicated. Here is a simple solve:
On N3, King got no result on fusi, and Ewe got a guilty result on pmc.
So the tracking of fusi was manipulated by scum--roleblocked or rolestopped. and, either pmc was scum or his result was also manipulated (deflector or bus driver).
But--also on N3, scum killed DDS.
Scum generally cannot perform a night kill and also use their role power.
So we know their rolestopper/roleblocker was used on fusi. And a kill was performed on DDS. This means the deflector/bus driver power was not used on N3.
Therefore Ewe's guilty result on pmc was not manipulated. It is a true result.
vote pmc
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