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Re: The 2024 Elections in the US, mostly for the POTUS

Postby Votanic on Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:56 pm

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Votanic wrote:Once again...
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If you're not sure about the context, it's safer to simply remain silent, Zeke.

This was about geography. :roll:

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Re: The 2024 Elections in the US, mostly for the POTUS

Postby GaryDenton on Fri Jun 21, 2024 12:05 am

We now have the greatest economy ever. I’m saying that because President Biden won’t, and everyone knows damn well that if Donald Trump was in the White House and we had the same economic situation, he would be boasting about the greatest economy ever all the time. Every Republican politician in the country would be touting the greatest economy ever. And all the political reporters would be writing stories about how the strong economy will make it difficult for the Democrats to beat Trump in the next election.[1]

Incredibly, we are seeing stories about how the economy is a liability for Biden and the Democrats. We don’t know what is in people’s heads and how they think about the economy, but the basic points are very straightforward.

Starting with unemployment, the current unemployment rate of 3.4 percent is the lowest in more than half a century. More than at any time in this period, people who want a job can get one. The unemployment rate for Black workers is at 4.7 percent, the lowest number on record. The unemployment rate for Black teens stands at 12.9 percent, which, unfortunately, is the lowest on record.

We can flip this over and also talk about the good news with people getting jobs. Many people left the labor market during the pandemic, but we are now seeing comparable or higher rates of labor force participation and employment for most demographic groups.

The overall employment-to-population rate (EPOP) for prime-age workers (ages 25 to 54) stood at 80.8 percent in April, 0.2 percentage points above its pre-pandemic peak. For prime-age women, the EPOP stood at 75.1 percent last month. This is not just higher than its pre-pandemic peak, it is the highest EPOP for prime-age women ever.

Not only can people get jobs, but they have had an unprecedented ability to leave jobs they don’t like. The percentage of workers quitting their job in a month increased to 3.0 percent In October of 2021 and again last April. Its prior peak was 2.4 percent. It is now down to 2.5 percent, which is probably a more sustainable rate, but still above the previous peak.

There also was a huge boom in mortgage refinancing since the pandemic. Before interest rates rose last year, more than 20 million people could refinance their mortgages. The average interest saving from refinancing was over $2,000 a year.

We have also seen an explosion in the number of people working from home. Before the pandemic, roughly 5 percent of the workforce worked from home. Now the figure is close to 30 percent. That comes to more than 45 million people. These people are saving themselves thousands of dollars a year in commuting costs and related expenses. In addition, they are saving hundreds of hours a year they would have otherwise spent commuting.

While working from home is a benefit largely restricted to more educated and higher-paid workers, lower-paid workers have also been doing well in the recovery. Research by Arin Dube, David Autor, and Annie McGrew shows that much of the growth in wage inequality over the last four decades has been reversed in the last three years. While there is still far to go, workers in the bottom 20 percent of the wage distribution are seeing their pay grow far more rapidly than those at the middle or top of the wage distribution.

The broader wage picture is more mixed. Workers were hit by the worldwide inflation resulting from the pandemic but are again coming out ahead of inflation. For all workers, the average hourly wage, adjusted for inflation, just reached its pre-pandemic level last month, but over the last six months, it has been growing at a 0.9 percent annual rate. In keeping with the Autor, Dube, and McGrew findings, the average hourly wage for production and non-supervisory workers, a category that excludes roughly 20 percent of mostly higher-paid workers, is 1.3 percent above its pre-pandemic level. It has risen at a 1.9 percent annual rate over the last six months.

We also have seen a large increase in homeownership from the period just before the pandemic. The overall rate of homeownership stood at 66.0 percent in the first quarter of this year, up from 65.1 percent in the fourth quarter of 2019, just before the pandemic. For people under age 35, the increase was 1.6 percentage points, from 37.6 percent to 39.3 percent in the most recent quarter. The homeownership rate for Black households increased by 1.8 percentage points from 44.0 percent to 45.8 percent.

The homeownership rate for Hispanics increased by 1.6 percentage points, from 48.1 percent to 49.7 percent. And, for households with incomes below the median, the homeownership rate increased by 2.0 percentage points, from 51.4 percent to 53.4 percent.

We are also seeing a hugely accelerated transition to clean energy. Electric car sales in the U.S. are up more than 70 percent from their year-ago level. Solar energy installations in 2023 are expected to exceed their previous peak in 2021 by 40 percent. Wind power generation capacity is also increasing rapidly.

These are all really good stories that we can tell about the economy. They are especially impressive given that we have gone through a worldwide pandemic and are seeing the largest war among wealthy countries since World War II.

Does this amount to the greatest economy ever? That’s a tough call. We expect living standards to improve over time as technology improves, people become better educated, and we get a larger and better capital stock.

The real question is the rate of improvement. By that score, it would be hard to beat the decades of the fifties, sixties, and early seventies. We saw a quarter century of generally low unemployment and rapid economic growth, from which the gains were widely shared.

Also, while we have seen some gains for those in the bottom half of the income distribution, we still see falling life expectancies for this group. That is not due to strictly economic factors, but economics plays an important role.

But these realities would not have stopped Donald Trump from proclaiming the “greatest economy ever.” They certainly didn’t before the pandemic. So, grading on a curve, we can declare Biden’s economy the greatest ever.

https://www.cepr.net/joe-biden-has-given-us-the-greatest-economy-ever/
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Re: The 2024 Elections in the US, mostly for the POTUS

Postby GaryDenton on Fri Jun 21, 2024 12:19 am

Record-Breaking Accomplishments On Jobs And Unemployment Under Biden

The Biden Administration’s robust and durable track record on jobs and unemployment is breaking records, putting up some of the best results we’ve seen in half a century.

First, the numbers. The federal Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reports that May saw an additional 272,000 jobs created, above most forecasters’ expectations. Unemployment ticked up from 3.9% to 4%, although such slight single-month changes are statistically meaningless (if the rate rises for several months in a row, then you have a trend.)

These are very strong numbers, especially this far into an economic recovery. The White House took a justified victory lap, with President Biden noting “unemployment has been at or below 4% for 30 months—the longest stretch in 50 years.”
Jobs increased in several sectors—health care, leisure and hospitality, and professional services. And wages continued rising, with average hourly earnings moving upward. BLS notes that “over the past 12 months, average hourly earnings have increased by 4.1%.”

Should we worry that higher wages are causing inflation? No. Although wage gains are positive, their rate of increase is slowing. And our inflation is driven by structural factors in supply chains, housing, and aggressive pricing by companies. Even Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell has moderated his views, saying in March that wages are not the main reason for persistent inflation.

For those who care about inequality and fairness, wage trends of the last several years have been strong for lower-wage workers. The Economic Policy Institute (EPI) has documented that “real wages” (adjusted for inflation) “of low-wage workers grew 12.1% between 2019 and 2023.” If Republicans in Congress would support increasing the federal minimum wage, which has been stuck at $7.25 per hour since 2009, we’d see even stronger gains for low-wage workers

These gains for low-wage workers come from the continuing tight labor market and economic growth, but also state increases in the minimum wage. 30 states now have minimum wages higher than the federal level. The 20 laggards are mostly traditional red states like Texas, Oklahoma, Mississippi, and South Carolina, although some “purple” states like Wisconsin and Pennsylvania haven’t raised their minimums due to Republican control of at least one state legislative house.

Biden’s economic track record is particularly strong when you consider that many economists were expecting a recession by now. Former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers spoke for many economists in 2022, saying a recession was “almost inevitable,” while in 2023 Summers predicted a “meaningful and significant slowdown” for the economy, again like many other forecasters.

Biden’s policies have focused not only on sustaining overall growth, but on finding ways to get growth’s benefits to lower-wage workers and economically troubled regions of the country. Based on today’s jobs and employment numbers, so far, so good.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardmcgahey/2024/06/07/record-breaking-accomplishments-on-jobs-and-unemployment-under-biden/
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Re: The 2024 Elections in the US, mostly for the POTUS

Postby jusplay4fun on Fri Jun 21, 2024 2:27 am

The key point I have been making is that, despite the claims of Democrats and Biden supporters, MANY Americans, as evidenced by MANY Polls, do not think Biden is managing the US Economy well.

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- With Americans less optimistic about the state of the U.S. economy than they have been in recent months and concern about inflation persisting, their confidence in President Joe Biden to recommend or do the right thing for the economy is among the lowest Gallup has measured for any president since 2001. (...)

While political independents are not overly confident in any of the leaders, they have the most confidence in Trump.

These findings are from Gallup's Economy and Personal Finance poll, conducted April 1-22. During the poll’s field period, the Bureau of Labor Statistics released the latest Consumer Price Index data showing that inflation remains stubbornly elevated, though nowhere near the 40-year highs seen in 2022.

(...)
Biden has fared much worse as confidence in his economic management dropped precipitously in 2022 from 57% to 40% amid sharply higher inflation, and it has been below 40% since then.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/644750/confidence-biden-economic-stewardship-historically-low.aspx#:~:text=WASHINGTON%2C%20D.C.%20%2D%2D%20With%20Americans,measured%20for%20any%20president%20since

And this source, ABC News, makes the same argument and suggests that OTHER polls support the same Conclusion: Biden is not doing that part of his job well.

Americans have been sour on the economy since President Joe Biden was sworn into office. As we head into an election season that is likely to be a 2020 rematch between Biden and former President Donald Trump, voters give Republicans and Trump an edge on economic issues. An April 12-14 poll from Echelon Insights found that 57 percent of all voters somewhat or strongly disapproved of the way Biden is handling the economy, and favored Trump on making the economy work better by 48 percent to 40 percent. That's only a recent example of what surveys have routinely shown: Voters aren't happy with Biden's handling of the economy.

https://abcnews.go.com/538/voters-bidens-economy/story?id=109749510

I could have put this post in the Inflation thread, but GaryD wanted to make his economic point here, so here is my rebuttal to what he posted. And note that the Economy is very much tied to the Election of 2024.

The first source had an interesting graph, btw.
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Re: The 2024 Elections in the US, mostly for the POTUS

Postby DirtyDishSoap on Fri Jun 21, 2024 6:03 am

Votanic wrote:
KoolBak wrote:
Votanic wrote:Once again...
Thread supposedly about U.S. election, ends up being about which drugs people are on...


If you're not sure about the context, it's safer to simply remain silent, Zeke.

This was about geography. :roll:

Back to the thread......

booger sugar... wine slurping... Methcouverite... Not to mention the Gateway Drug Church.
I rest my case.

Gateway Drug Church? The devils lettuce?
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Re: The 2024 Elections in the US, mostly for the POTUS

Postby KoolBak on Fri Jun 21, 2024 6:38 am

Another tool.

Thot there may be hope for V, but apparently not. Oh well...my prediction remains. And now I'll have much less reading forced on me :lol:

And for the record, I don't give a squirt what the fucking thread's about, and noobs don't get to lecture those with tenure :D
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Re: The 2024 Elections in the US, mostly for the POTUS

Postby Pack Rat on Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:56 am

Tenure? That's silly.

Just cause I'm older than you...I'm right?

But, if you mean "clique" that would be more like it. Some of you can actually cry to a moderator (old trusted internet friend) and whine that the new kid on the block has hurt your feelings.

Tenure really Mr. College Professor, lol
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Re: The 2024 Elections in the US, mostly for the POTUS

Postby Votanic on Fri Jun 21, 2024 1:54 pm

DirtyDishSoap wrote:
Votanic wrote:
KoolBak wrote:
Votanic wrote:Once again...
Thread supposedly about U.S. election, ends up being about which drugs people are on...


If you're not sure about the context, it's safer to simply remain silent, Zeke.

This was about geography. :roll:

Back to the thread......

booger sugar... wine slurping... Methcouverite... Not to mention the Gateway Drug Church.
I rest my case.

Gateway Drug Church? The devils lettuce?

Satan's soup.
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Re: The 2024 Elections in the US, mostly for the POTUS

Postby Pack Rat on Fri Jun 21, 2024 2:28 pm

Devil's lettuce is a recreational use that is legal in Arizona.
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Re: The 2024 Elections in the US, mostly for the POTUS

Postby Votanic on Fri Jun 21, 2024 2:54 pm

Pack Rat wrote:Devil's lettuce is a recreational use that is legal in Arizona.

Get back to you shit-sewer, drug-whore.
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Re: The 2024 Elections in the US, mostly for the POTUS

Postby Pack Rat on Fri Jun 21, 2024 4:05 pm

Votanic wrote:
Pack Rat wrote:Devil's lettuce is a recreational use that is legal in Arizona.

Get back to you shit-sewer, drug-whore.


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Re: The 2024 Elections in the US, mostly for the POTUS

Postby jusplay4fun on Fri Jun 21, 2024 11:30 pm

Trump outraises Biden again and erodes president’s financial edge
Fredreka Schouten David Wright
By Fredreka Schouten, David Wright and Alex Leeds Matthews, CNN
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Updated 8:34 AM EDT, Fri June 21, 2024
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Former President Donald Trump and his political operation outraised President Joe Biden for the second month in a row in May, as a flood of donations after Trump’s criminal conviction quickly eroded the financial advantage Biden held for much of the campaign cycle.

Biden and the Democrats raised $85 million in May, his campaign said in a statement, a figure that is well short of the staggering $141 million that Trump and his political operation said it collected last month, fueled by tens of millions of dollars collected in the immediate aftermath of his May 30 conviction in a New York criminal case for falsifying business records.

Biden’s campaign said Thursday that his committees entered June with a massive $212 million cash stockpile. The Trump campaign has not yet disclosed cash-on-hand figures for all of its committees.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/20/politics/fundraising-biden-trump-billionaire-donors/index.html
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Re: The 2024 Elections in the US, mostly for the POTUS

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Jun 23, 2024 10:25 pm

AMISH COUNTRY IS TRUMP COUNTRY!

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Re: The 2024 Elections in the US, mostly for the POTUS

Postby GaryDenton on Mon Jun 24, 2024 1:33 am

We have many idiots in this country. Just look at the polls and interviews with Trump supporters.
Meanwhile, look at what educated people say.

On Thursday, Moody’s Analytics, which evaluates risk, performance, and financial modeling, compared the economic promises of President Joe Biden and presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump. Authors Mark Zandi, Brendan LaCerda, and Justin Begley concluded that while a second Biden presidency would see cooling inflation and continued economic growth of 2.1%, a Trump presidency would be an economic disaster.
Trump has promised to slash taxes on the wealthy, increase tariffs across the board, and deport at least 11 million immigrant workers. According to the analysts, these policies would trigger a recession by mid-2025. The economy would slow to an average growth of 1.3%. At the same time, tariffs and fewer immigrant workers would increase the costs of consumer goods. That inflation—reaching 3.6%—would result in 3.2 million fewer jobs and a higher unemployment rate.
Trump’s proposed tariffs would not fully offset his tax cuts, adding trillions to the national debt.
Michael Strain, director of economic policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank, said that Trump’s tariff policy “would be bad for workers and bad for consumers.” Chief Economist of Moody’s Analytics Mark Zandi said: “Biden’s policies are better for the economy.”
In the New York Times today, Jeffrey Sonnenfeld, the president of the Yale Chief Executive Leadership Institute at the Yale School of Management, debunked the notion that corporate leaders support Trump. Sonnenfeld notes that he works with about 1,000 chief executives a year and speaks with business leaders almost every day. Although 60 to 70 percent of them are registered Republicans, he wrote, Trump “continues to suffer from the lowest level of corporate support in the history of the Republican Party.”

What do our marching morons have to say about this?

You want the link?
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Re: The 2024 Elections in the US, mostly for the POTUS

Postby GaryDenton on Mon Jun 24, 2024 1:42 am

BTW, CNN is not a great source. I thought conservatives knew that.
In this case, CNN just took the Trump campaign at their word at how much money they are raising when they are constant liars. Wait for the campaign reports, although they also have a history of mistakes there.
Still, if it gives you a brief thrill and a hardon, take your excitement while you can.
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Postby jusplay4fun on Mon Jun 24, 2024 6:29 am

I found the actual Moody's Analytics report. I have not read ALL of it; the conclusions of GaryD's source is based on data buried DEEP in the report, in Tables 1 & 2 at the end of the report. The summary he provides makes it look like a "sure thing" conclusion; NOT so, as they give a much more thorough analysis, based on 4 election scenarios and based on MANY assumptions.

Assessing the Macroeconomic Consequences of
Biden vs. Trump
1
BY MARK ZANDI, BRENDAN LA CERDA AND JUSTIN BEGLEY2
President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump will pursue very different economic
policies if reelected. In this analysis, we assess the macroeconomic consequences of the policies
proposed by the presidential candidates. Both have put forward a wide range of proposals to
change the tax code, government spending, and trade, immigration and regulatory policies that if
implemented could have significant impacts on the economy’s performance for years to come.
Of course, what ultimately becomes law and is implemented depends in significant part on the
makeup of Congress. We thus consider four scenarios. We deem the most likely scenario to be
that Biden wins reelection, but that he will need to negotiate with a divided Congress. The Senate
will flip to Republican control and the Democrats will narrowly win control of the House (see
Chart 1).3
This Biden & Divided Congress scenario (40% probability) is our baseline scenario and
is largely consistent with the policy status quo.


The report also provides two other less likely scenarios. It looks to me that GaryD, again, overstates his case, and thus offers obfuscation.

https://www.economy.com/getfile?q=EA99E998-560D-4A12-85DE-3727A7EBE9A8&app=download
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Re: The 2024 Elections in the US, mostly for the POTUS

Postby jusplay4fun on Mon Jun 24, 2024 6:38 am

GaryDenton wrote:BTW, CNN is not a great source. I thought conservatives knew that.
In this case, CNN just took the Trump campaign at their word at how much money they are raising when they are constant liars. Wait for the campaign reports, although they also have a history of mistakes there.
Still, if it gives you a brief thrill and a hardon, take your excitement while you can.


Since GaryD does not like CNN, I will provide more sources:

Trump Is Raking in Cash. How Will it Affect the Race Against Biden?
The former president has been closing the fundraising gap since he was convicted in late May. One analyst says the momentum has indeed shifted.

By Elliott Davis Jr.
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June 21, 2024, at 4:43 p.m.

President Joe Biden, left, speaks on Aug. 10, 2023, in Salt Lake City, and former President Donald Trump speaks on June 13, 2023, in Bedminster, N.J. Trump outraised Biden by about $60 million in May.

Key Takeaways
Trump raised tens of millions more than Biden in May, according to FEC filings and media reports.
With still several months left until the election, the narrowing financial gap bodes well for the former president’s ability to compete in November, one expert notes.

https://www.usnews.com/news/elections/articles/2024-06-21/as-trump-rakes-in-campaign-donations-bidens-fundraising-advantage-slips#:~:text=Key%20Takeaways,in%20November%2C%20one%20expert%20notes.

Trump Is ‘Broke Don’ No More as
Fundraising Race Shifts His Way
Biden team stressed cash advantage as key for winning election
Trump’s massive haul in May gets him closer in the money race

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-06-22/trump-raises-more-money-than-biden-for-second-straight-month

One more, for the FUN of it:

Trump campaign's fundraising boost helps erase Biden's cash advantage
Trump's war chest gives him cash to potentially spend on ads after the debate.

BySoo Rin Kim, Gabriella Abdul-Hakim, Lalee Ibssa , and Kelsey Walsh
June 21, 2024, 3:53 PM

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-campaigns-fundraising-boost-helps-erase-bidens-cash/story?id=111310108
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Re: The 2024 Elections in the US, mostly for the POTUS

Postby GaryDenton on Mon Jun 24, 2024 2:45 pm

The problem isn't with CNN. It is with the ONLY source for this info are known liars from the Trump campaign. All other media are not getting verified official statements either. We will know when the reports come out.
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Re: The 2024 Elections in the US, mostly for the POTUS

Postby Dukasaur on Wed Jun 26, 2024 4:47 am

https://apnews.com/article/bowman-latimer-democratic-primary-congress-new-york-f751616f7f69df439a6080dc6c23e385

One of the consequences of the Gaza war is that ultra-left wokey nuts will fall to the ground, and a more moderate and centrist Democratic party will be on offer in November.

George Latimer, a pro-Israel centrist, defeated U.S. Rep. Jamaal Bowman on Tuesday in a Democratic primary in suburban New York that highlighted the party’s deep divisions over the war in Gaza.
Bowman was first elected in 2020 after running as a liberal insurgent against moderate U.S. Rep. Eliot Engel, a 16-term congressman who chaired a House committee on foreign affairs. Bowman, 48, embraced the political outsider strategy this year as well, depicting Latimer as a tool of Republican donors and pro-Israel groups.

Latimer said Bowman’s criticism of Israel was only part of the reason why he decided to challenge the incumbent. He said Bowman hasn’t been attentive to the needs of the district, maintained few relationships with its leaders, and was more interested in getting spots on cable news than he was in helping people.
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Re: The 2024 Elections in the US, mostly for the POTUS

Postby Pack Rat on Wed Jun 26, 2024 11:38 am

Dukasaur wrote:https://apnews.com/article/bowman-latimer-democratic-primary-congress-new-york-f751616f7f69df439a6080dc6c23e385

One of the consequences of the Gaza war is that ultra-left wokey nuts will fall to the ground, and a more moderate and centrist Democratic party will be on offer in November.

George Latimer, a pro-Israel centrist, defeated U.S. Rep. Jamaal Bowman on Tuesday in a Democratic primary in suburban New York that highlighted the party’s deep divisions over the war in Gaza.
Bowman was first elected in 2020 after running as a liberal insurgent against moderate U.S. Rep. Eliot Engel, a 16-term congressman who chaired a House committee on foreign affairs. Bowman, 48, embraced the political outsider strategy this year as well, depicting Latimer as a tool of Republican donors and pro-Israel groups.

Latimer said Bowman’s criticism of Israel was only part of the reason why he decided to challenge the incumbent. He said Bowman hasn’t been attentive to the needs of the district, maintained few relationships with its leaders, and was more interested in getting spots on cable news than he was in helping people.


Wrong Duk,

Bowman showed he was just a publicity hound and pulled a fire alarm. I and other lefties have guard rails, unlike the MAGA monkees. Bowman supported radical Palestinians in a district populated with jews. He forgot that he represented all the people in his district.

Duk plays both sides by saying there's extremists on both sides of the aisle. You can't compare the MAGA insurrectionists to the progressive side of the Democratic Party. Right now, we have a large minority of Americans who will support a dictatorship led by Trump who will go after his political enemies.
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Postby jusplay4fun on Wed Jun 26, 2024 3:19 pm

Pack Rat wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:https://apnews.com/article/bowman-latimer-democratic-primary-congress-new-york-f751616f7f69df439a6080dc6c23e385

One of the consequences of the Gaza war is that ultra-left wokey nuts will fall to the ground, and a more moderate and centrist Democratic party will be on offer in November.

George Latimer, a pro-Israel centrist, defeated U.S. Rep. Jamaal Bowman on Tuesday in a Democratic primary in suburban New York that highlighted the party’s deep divisions over the war in Gaza.
Bowman was first elected in 2020 after running as a liberal insurgent against moderate U.S. Rep. Eliot Engel, a 16-term congressman who chaired a House committee on foreign affairs. Bowman, 48, embraced the political outsider strategy this year as well, depicting Latimer as a tool of Republican donors and pro-Israel groups.

Latimer said Bowman’s criticism of Israel was only part of the reason why he decided to challenge the incumbent. He said Bowman hasn’t been attentive to the needs of the district, maintained few relationships with its leaders, and was more interested in getting spots on cable news than he was in helping people.


Wrong Duk,

Bowman showed he was just a publicity hound and pulled a fire alarm. I and other lefties have guard rails, unlike the MAGA monkees. Bowman supported radical Palestinians in a district populated with jews. He forgot that he represented all the people in his district.

Duk plays both sides by saying there's extremists on both sides of the aisle. You can't compare the MAGA insurrectionists to the progressive side of the Democratic Party. Right now, we have a large minority of Americans who will support a dictatorship led by Trump who will go after his political enemies.


WRONG. p-rat shows his lack of comprehension of the facts and does not understand politics. He throws around the MAGA insult as if that is the definitive answer. That too shows he does not understand much.
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Re: The 2024 Elections in the US, mostly for the POTUS

Postby Pack Rat on Wed Jun 26, 2024 3:56 pm

Go pound sand jusplay4MAGA.

Your replies are repetitive and sounds like a girl scratching a blackboard.


Are you trying to get some brownie points from Duk, lol.
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Re: The 2024 Elections in the US, mostly for the POTUS

Postby Dukasaur on Wed Jun 26, 2024 7:46 pm

Pack Rat wrote:Are you trying to get some brownie points from Duk, lol.

Nobody needs to get brownie points by agreeing with me. I'm just as happy talking to people I disagree with, as long as they're actually making sense and not just throwing shit.

Pack Rat wrote:Duk plays both sides by saying there's extremists on both sides of the aisle. You can't compare the MAGA insurrectionists to the progressive side of the Democratic Party. Right now, we have a large minority of Americans who will support a dictatorship led by Trump who will go after his political enemies.

Well, as Tom Robinson said, “I've got no illusions about the political left any more than I've got about the political right, but I do have a shrewd idea which of the two is going to stomp on us first”

Do I agree that the Right is more dangerous than the Left? Yes, actually I do.

Does that mean the extremists on the Left should get a free pass? No, it does not.

Coddling trannies and the character assassination posses on Twitter does a better job recruiting for the right than the right does. Just as an example, when someone whose liberal credentials are undeniable, like J. K. Rowling, makes a perfectly reasonable assertion that being a woman is a real thing, and gets a kiloton of shit thrown at her, it makes moderates move over to the other side of the room. Similarly when people see tranny athletes beating the shit out of normal women. And of course normal, moderate liberals don't support that, but they keep their mouth shut for fear of getting the J.K. Rowling treatment, and the lunatic fringe is allowed to set the agenda.
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Re: The 2024 Elections in the US, mostly for the POTUS

Postby jusplay4fun on Fri Jun 28, 2024 11:34 pm

I think this article, from the UK, summarizes many of my view of Trump vs. Biden:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/biden-is-a-danger-to-the-west/ar-BB1p3bOW?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=92a0b95400194611870ee6ac508b055c&ei=34

Please read the entire (and short) piece before rendering an opinion about the article.
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Re: The 2024 Elections in the US, mostly for the POTUS

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:37 am

jusplay4fun wrote:I think this article, from the UK, summarizes many of my view of Trump vs. Biden:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/biden-is-a-danger-to-the-west/ar-BB1p3bOW?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=92a0b95400194611870ee6ac508b055c&ei=34

Please read the entire (and short) piece before rendering an opinion about the article.


I did read it. It's not wrong. Having a doddering old man at the helm is a risk, of course. It's not an unmanageable risk, however. Reagan was definitely senile towards the end, but it didn't prevent his administration from functioning effectively.

Overall, it doesn't do anything to change my opinion on the election. Having a man in charge who's senile, but basically well intentioned, is still somewhat better than having a man in charge whose entire life has been devoted to grift and fraud, and whose only desires are to enrich himself without any ethical boundaries, and to feed his monumental ego by humiliating others.
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