Justice or murder?

[2dimes]

He also apparently left a glowing review on goodreads for Industrial Society and Its Future... Was Kazinsky effectively maga and just ahead of his time?

A lot of lunatics are fans of Kaczynski - see: viewtopic.php?p=5287878#p5287827

I prefer Kazansky.

[saxitoxin]

Update on Mangioni family: In addition to his cousin sitting in the House of Delegates, Luigi's parents own the conservative talk radio station WCBM-AM, two country clubs, and Lorien Health Services - an assisted living healthcare company with 12 facilities across Maryland. He attended a $40,000/year private school through 12th grade.

Also, he has absolutely amazing eyebrows.

https://nypost.com/2024/12/09/us-news/l ... -lawmaker/

[Dukasaur]

Listening to the radio last couple days. It's pretty amazing how broad the sympathy for this guy is, and on all sides of the political spectrum.

Almost every caller has a horror story to share about how their insurance company found some obscure rule on Page 83 of their policy to disqualify their claim, or even for minor procedures, made them spend over four hours on the phone to get a simple blood test covered.

There's a watershed of anger out there, and it seems to be bubbling to the surface.

[saxitoxin]

There's anger percolating about Mazda dealerships and how they charge a premium for heated seats. Inspired by the UHC killer, people are striking back!

Today's hero was in Utah ---

[ConfederateSS]

There's anger percolating about Mazda dealerships and how they charge a premium for heated seats. Inspired by the UHC killer, people are striking back!

Today's hero was in Utah ---

--------Screw foreign cars...Like I said in the Pearl Harbor Thread...The Japanese pissed off Americans one time with a commercial, near Pearl Harbor week......
---------BUY AMERICAN...ONLY AMERICAN.... AMERICA 1st ... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[jonesthecurl]

What, like Trump Bibles?

[Pack Rat]

What, like Trump Bibles?

Tariff or not to Tariff?

[ConfederateSS]

What, like Trump Bibles?

------ ....
------ Will he be sworn in on January 20th, 2025 A.D...With his own Bible???...Another Historic 1st... Sworn in...With your own Bible... Maybe GOD will run in 2028 A.D... ... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[jonesthecurl]

...printed in China.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Listening to the radio last couple days. It's pretty amazing how broad the sympathy for this guy is, and on all sides of the political spectrum.

Almost every caller has a horror story to share about how their insurance company found some obscure rule on Page 83 of their policy to disqualify their claim, or even for minor procedures, made them spend over four hours on the phone to get a simple blood test covered.

There's a watershed of anger out there, and it seems to be bubbling to the surface.

I'm pretty against killing people for just doing their job. I think there is an inherent problem with insurance companies in general, but if it takes shooting folks over it, i draw a line.
I'm on the personal belief of voting with your wallet. If a company is inherently going to f*ck you over left, right and center, move on. Negotiate a service afterwards. I'm also on the lines of thinking, however, that insurance companies have way too much power, especially in the automobile industry. Big time lobbyists that pretty much dictate law. Again, something needs to be done, but without murder involved.

[mookiemcgee]

Listening to the radio last couple days. It's pretty amazing how broad the sympathy for this guy is, and on all sides of the political spectrum.

Almost every caller has a horror story to share about how their insurance company found some obscure rule on Page 83 of their policy to disqualify their claim, or even for minor procedures, made them spend over four hours on the phone to get a simple blood test covered.

There's a watershed of anger out there, and it seems to be bubbling to the surface.

I'm pretty against killing people for just doing their job. I think there is an inherent problem with insurance companies in general, but if it takes shooting folks over it, i draw a line.
I'm on the personal belief of voting with your wallet. If a company is inherently going to f*ck you over left, right and center, move on. Negotiate a service afterwards. I'm also on the lines of thinking, however, that insurance companies have way too much power, especially in the automobile industry. Big time lobbyists that pretty much dictate law. Again, something needs to be done, but without murder involved.

It's a really tough one... at the end of the day this CEO is just a by product of a system. He may have been among the worst offenders in his field but his existence is about as predicatable as the idea that at some point the people will violently revolt against 30+ years of growing inequality. Inequality in of itself isn't bad, its necessary but you'd be very hard pressed to think of an example that ends well where the rich keep getting richer directly at the cost of the lower class where it doesn't end with violent revolt.

Came across this Ted talk today the really resonated

https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/c ... rich_from/


american's right now

[kentington]

I don’t condone killing anyone, but I am surprised it took this long.

The non 1% are being pushed around by government, media, groceries, cars, employers, healthcare. Everyone believes they deserve a piece of you for just existing.

[kennyp72]

Listening to the radio last couple days. It's pretty amazing how broad the sympathy for this guy is, and on all sides of the political spectrum.

Almost every caller has a horror story to share about how their insurance company found some obscure rule on Page 83 of their policy to disqualify their claim, or even for minor procedures, made them spend over four hours on the phone to get a simple blood test covered.

There's a watershed of anger out there, and it seems to be bubbling to the surface.

I'm pretty against killing people for just doing their job. I think there is an inherent problem with insurance companies in general, but if it takes shooting folks over it, i draw a line.
I'm on the personal belief of voting with your wallet. If a company is inherently going to f*ck you over left, right and center, move on. Negotiate a service afterwards. I'm also on the lines of thinking, however, that insurance companies have way too much power, especially in the automobile industry. Big time lobbyists that pretty much dictate law. Again, something needs to be done, but without murder involved.

It's a really tough one... at the end of the day this CEO is just a by product of a system. He may have been among the worst offenders in his field but his existence is about as predicatable as the idea that at some point the people will violently revolt against 30+ years of growing inequality. Inequality in of itself isn't bad, its necessary but you'd be very hard pressed to think of an example that ends well where the rich keep getting richer directly at the cost of the lower class where it doesn't end with violent revolt.

Came across this Ted talk today the really resonated

https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/c ... rich_from/


american's right now

The TED talk.

Hannaur or something like that is it?

Tech rich guy calling for a wealth tax before the pitchforks come out?

Did you know his original TED talk was pulled?

[KoolBak]

My niece has been on a Ted talk. That's the extent of my input

[mookiemcgee]

My niece has been on a Ted talk. That's the extent of my input

was it good? link via DM so you don't have to doxx yourself

[KoolBak]

I was impressed...but that's not saying much

I'll get the info and send!

[KoolBak]

Sent!

[Pack Rat]

Back to the title...

CEO ‘killer’ Luigi Mangione is now going to be defended by top shelf lawyers that only the rich can afford. People all over America is helping to fund his defense.


https://share.newsbreak.com/ahq5jvbd

They state, “When the rich rob the poor it’s called business . When the poor fight back it’s called violence.”

[Pack Rat]

The rich ruling class will always put their finger on the scales of justice.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTYgpyEcS/

Who is terrorizing who?

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTYgGSxaa/

[jusplay4fun]

I think the Daniel Penny Trial did not get enough attention in this Forum. Did I miss that discussion?

--------Shouldn't this be about the Daniel Penny case on trial in NYC???...
--------- Crazy nut job, hops on the subway... Threatening everyone, he is going to kill someone...
--------- Marine(X, maybe) Daniel Penny steps in...Stops crazy, from heading twords a mother and baby stroller...Penny holds crazy in a choke hold...Some other passenger helps..
-------- Subway stops...Doors open..Penny let's go....Crazy still breathing/alive...But on the ground...Then cops can't get crazy up...They refuse to give him CPR...They don't want to touch a homeless man... Sounds like Crazy died because of police, besides threatening people...
-------- Radical Left Wing DA Bragg...Yes, the one vs...TRUMP...That Bragg...Let criminals rob and kill those who voted for him all over NYC...
-------- Jury still debating the outcome of Trial...
-------- The American who stopped a Terrorist Attack on a Paris/France train in 2015 A.D...Who was highly decorated for bravery By FRANCE...Now a U.S. Representative...Says America is in trouble...When people can't step up and stop those hurting others...Etc...For fear...The Radical Left will throw them in jail...While criminals do what ever they want...If arrested...Get out of jail the same day...[/size]... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[Dukasaur]

What's to discuss? Vigilante, started out right by disabling a nutjob, but then went overboard and killed him.

Public opinion breaks along predictable extremist lines. Lefties call him a murderer, righties call him a hero.

I believe he's neither. He didn't set out to kill the guy, but he definitely went too far. Something along the lines of 2nd degree manslaughter would be the appropriate charge.

[jusplay4fun]

Discuss? Let's.

Penny claimed that he kept the hold on the man, Jordan Neely, (insane, record of crimes on the subway, harassing folks that day on the subway) becaused he kept up the struggle. Once he stopped the struggle, Penny let up. Was that too far? The fact that he died says yes, BUT, there are other factors.

And, most important to me, is that a Good Samaritan is not punished for his actions to help and protect others.

For those who are unfamiliar with the case, Penny, 26, took action on May 1, 2023, after a mentally ill homeless man with a lengthy criminal record, 30-year-old Jordan Neely, boarded the subway train and proceeded to act aggressively and threateningly toward other passengers, according to witnesses.

The Marine Corps veteran put Neely in a submission hold as two other riders also helped subdue him to try and neutralize the threat. After officers and other first responders arrived on the scene, Neely was transferred to a nearby hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

(...)
For some trial observers, it appeared the fix was in, that both the judge and the prosecutors were trying to make it easier for the jury to convict Penny.

But that following Monday, Dec. 9, the jury returned with a unanimous “not guilty” verdict. And for those who believed Penny did what any concerned citizen would do in taking action after seeing the people around them endangered, a sigh of relief was breathed.

Deputy Wall Street Journal Editorial Page Editor Daniel Henninger explained it this way: “(Big Apple) residents are basically OK with this result, since the alternative would have been to confirm Mr. Bragg’s determination to imprison Mr. Penny for preventing yet another act of random, often fatal, violence.”

“The verdict is a clear dissent from the progressive criminal-justice theories of Mr. Bragg and his local allies,” Henninger also wrote, hinting at Bragg’s soft-on-crime reputation except in cases where convictions (like President-elect Donald Trump’s) earn him back pats and high-fives from social justice warriors.

https://nsjonline.com/article/2024/12/matthews-the-daniel-penny-not-guilty-verdict-was-the-right-call/

Neely was a street performer and Michael Jackson impersonator who was experiencing homelessness and had struggled with mental illness after his mother was murdered in 2007.

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/daniel-penny-verdict-nyc-subway-chokehold-jordan-neely/

The police are reluctant to get involved as they risk punishment (or severe discipline), lawsuits, bad publicity, and shaming. The DA has shown a propensity to not prosecute men like Jordan Neely for his crimes. Neely's father is an absentee and has now swooped in, hoping for a big cash payment for his dead son, whom he clearly did not assist and did not help raise.

Then I recently learned that Jordan’s father, Andre Zachary, filed a lawsuit against Daniel Penny that "demands judgment awarding damages in a sum which exceeds the jurisdictional limits of all lower Courts which would otherwise have jurisdiction."

Now, I was incensed. Where the heck was Zachary all these years? What did he do for his son who had to witness an abusive relationship? Where was he when his son was shipped off to the foster care system? Where was he all those years his son was in the system — did he visit even once? Where was he when his son got out? Where the heck was he when his son was dealing with his demons all by himself and drifting in and out of homelessness?

And now he shows up when his son is cold and buried? To be clear, he didn’t show up for Jordan. He showed up for himself. Andre Zachary was never a father in any meaningful way and does not deserve that precious title.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/jordan-neelys-father-played-role-his-death-dont-ignore-americas-fatherhood-crisis?intcmp=fb_fnc

[mookiemcgee]

[Pack Rat]

We have the best medical care that money can buy in the world!

Other than that, good luck.