[OFFICIAL] Charle's Fun Mafia - "Game On" Day 2

[Extreme Ways]

I saw a world in which Ragian is a Town Vigilante, but I dont see why he would have played it the way he did then. If he is a town vigilante, Rag would just shut up and kill Sonic in the night. That world doesn't make sense.

[SoN!c]

The Bus Driver swaps their targets for that night so investigative results often get scrambled, since who you targeted and who you actually got a result on may not match.

But i confirm EW.

Lets say I’m the town Bus Driver (or mafia who needs to claim a believable story saying he is the town Bus driver). I would claim N1 I swapped Halrob with another player to protect Halrob if scum tried to NK him (which is a classic town protective/disruption play). Bus driving Halrob means any actions aimed at Halrob actually hit the other person i swapped him with, and vice versa.

This way I could have explained to have “visited” Halrob in a non protective way— because my power targets two people each night, and Halrob was one of them. I could say i would not name the second name because Im not sure if revealing it would hurt town or whatever, just saying i would explain later if needed..or i would claim to have have Halrob swapped with Kingm or Ragian, two of the D1 suspects. Or Darin whatever..Bus Driver is very swingy afterall but it’s a common role in setups and especially here in Charle's Fun Mafia. It would create exactly the kind of chaos we’re seeing — results not matching, visits being misread, etc. Probably the best role to claim if scum.

[SoN!c]

I saw a world in which Ragian is a Town Vigilante, but I dont see why he would have played it the way he did then. If he is a town vigilante, Rag would just shut up and kill Sonic in the night. That world doesn't make sense.

Neither does having a town vigilante in Ragian of all people vig firing knowing chances of a misfire N1 are extreme im pretty sure you know.

[Ragian]

What bugs me is Ragian pushing this so hard like it’s case closed. if anything, that looks like scum trying to frame me on half info. I get it why im the scum target. But if anything its not smart town play to go all in on a gamble which is not Ragians style when town in the first place.

What looks more off to me is how fast Ragian wanted to paint me as 100% scum without even considering other options like bodyguard or what Loose did questioning EW, or even considering sonic just playing along with EW. That’s not careful town logic — that’s pushing a narrative. Nothing a town thinking Ragian would do on such an important day.

so yeah, i’m putting this down:

Vote Ragian

And now an OMGUS vote

Moreover, you're misrepresenting how I play as town. Luckily, both EW and Loose will understand that. And how I play as town also varies depending on my role. For obvious reasons.

Rag, you've virtually counterclaimed a town protective role - haven't you?

Is there a possibility here of bus driving by mafia re you/sonic visiting Halrob.

And I must confess here I've raised a possibility of bus driving without really understanding the mechanics of that role.

There might be a bus driver involved. There might be other roles involved that meddles with night actions. It's just more logical to assume that that's not the case. Even if you have to change your opinion/read on someone.

I think you know - and everyone else will know - what knowledge I bring to the table, Loose. We don't have to spell it out.

EW is town. Im very sure on that assesment.

For all the rest i will have to take a leap of faith i guess. EW is the chess grand master..

I was breadcrumbing too D1 by posting the right songs.

One ACDC hard rock song (live at river plate argenitina 2009 is very famous by the hard core fans because the quote "i have one more in me")

And the name of the song seems very spot on after N1. When breadcrumbing i chose it because that was how i'd be playing the game. Hard and fast. Not thinking bout tomorrow

I figured this was a hard doc claim.

@EW, explain to me why you read this as Son!c claims doc here. I don't see an, "I'm town doc," in that post. Look, obviously I cannot be 100% sure that Son!c is scum. I don't have the luxury of knowing who's scum and who's town. What I do know is this:
1) Son!c visited halrob.
2) Son!c does not have a protective role (of course, I can't KNOW this, but from where I sit that is HIGHLY unlikely).

Make Son!c claim. As in a real claim. Not all that "my favourite song is blah blah blah" beating about the bush nonsense.

I saw a world in which Ragian is a Town Vigilante, but I dont see why he would have played it the way he did then. If he is a town vigilante, Rag would just shut up and kill Sonic in the night. That world doesn't make sense.

You've answered this yourself.

The Bus Driver swaps their targets for that night so investigative results often get scrambled, since who you targeted and who you actually got a result on may not match.

But i confirm EW.

Lets say I’m the town Bus Driver (or mafia who needs to claim a believable story saying he is the town Bus driver). I would claim N1 I swapped Halrob with another player to protect Halrob if scum tried to NK him (which is a classic town protective/disruption play). Bus driving Halrob means any actions aimed at Halrob actually hit the other person i swapped him with, and vice versa.

This way I could have explained to have “visited” Halrob in a non protective way— because my power targets two people each night, and Halrob was one of them. I could say i would not name the second name because Im not sure if revealing it would hurt town or whatever, just saying i would explain later if needed..or i would claim to have have Halrob swapped with Kingm or Ragian, two of the D1 suspects. Or Darin whatever..Bus Driver is very swingy afterall but it’s a common role in setups and especially here in Charle's Fun Mafia. It would create exactly the kind of chaos we’re seeing — results not matching, visits being misread, etc. Probably the best role to claim if scum.

No way a town busdriver chooses the uncontered town cop N1

FP'ed by Son!c

[SoN!c]

What bugs me is Ragian pushing this so hard like it’s case closed. if anything, that looks like scum trying to frame me on half info. I get it why im the scum target. But if anything its not smart town play to go all in on a gamble which is not Ragians style when town in the first place.

What looks more off to me is how fast Ragian wanted to paint me as 100% scum without even considering other options like bodyguard or what Loose did questioning EW, or even considering sonic just playing along with EW. That’s not careful town logic — that’s pushing a narrative. Nothing a town thinking Ragian would do on such an important day.

so yeah, i’m putting this down:

Vote Ragian

And now an OMGUS vote

Moreover, you're misrepresenting how I play as town. Luckily, both EW and Loose will understand that. And how I play as town also varies depending on my role. For obvious reasons.

Rag, you've virtually counterclaimed a town protective role - haven't you?

Is there a possibility here of bus driving by mafia re you/sonic visiting Halrob.

And I must confess here I've raised a possibility of bus driving without really understanding the mechanics of that role.

There might be a bus driver involved. There might be other roles involved that meddles with night actions. It's just more logical to assume that that's not the case. Even if you have to change your opinion/read on someone.

I think you know - and everyone else will know - what knowledge I bring to the table, Loose. We don't have to spell it out.

EW is town. Im very sure on that assesment.

For all the rest i will have to take a leap of faith i guess. EW is the chess grand master..

I was breadcrumbing too D1 by posting the right songs.

One ACDC hard rock song (live at river plate argenitina 2009 is very famous by the hard core fans because the quote "i have one more in me")

And the name of the song seems very spot on after N1. When breadcrumbing i chose it because that was how i'd be playing the game. Hard and fast. Not thinking bout tomorrow

I figured this was a hard doc claim.

@EW, explain to me why you read this as Son!c claims doc here. I don't see an, "I'm town doc," in that post. Look, obviously I cannot be 100% sure that Son!c is scum. I don't have the luxury of knowing who's scum and who's town. What I do know is this:
1) Son!c visited halrob.
2) Son!c does not have a protective role (of course, I can't KNOW this, but from where I sit that is HIGHLY unlikely).

Make Son!c claim. As in a real claim. Not all that "my favourite song is blah blah blah" beating about the bush nonsense.

I saw a world in which Ragian is a Town Vigilante, but I dont see why he would have played it the way he did then. If he is a town vigilante, Rag would just shut up and kill Sonic in the night. That world doesn't make sense.

You've answered this yourself.

The Bus Driver swaps their targets for that night so investigative results often get scrambled, since who you targeted and who you actually got a result on may not match.

But i confirm EW.

Lets say I’m the town Bus Driver (or mafia who needs to claim a believable story saying he is the town Bus driver). I would claim N1 I swapped Halrob with another player to protect Halrob if scum tried to NK him (which is a classic town protective/disruption play). Bus driving Halrob means any actions aimed at Halrob actually hit the other person i swapped him with, and vice versa.

This way I could have explained to have “visited” Halrob in a non protective way— because my power targets two people each night, and Halrob was one of them. I could say i would not name the second name because Im not sure if revealing it would hurt town or whatever, just saying i would explain later if needed..or i would claim to have have Halrob swapped with Kingm or Ragian, two of the D1 suspects. Or Darin whatever..Bus Driver is very swingy afterall but it’s a common role in setups and especially here in Charle's Fun Mafia. It would create exactly the kind of chaos we’re seeing — results not matching, visits being misread, etc. Probably the best role to claim if scum.

No way a town busdriver chooses the uncontered town cop N1

FP'ed by Son!c

[SoN!c]

Look, obviously I cannot be 100% sure that Son!c is scum. I don't have the luxury of knowing who's scum and who's town.

This is exactly the case on you Ragian.

[Ragian]

That, because I'm town, I don't know who is scum or town? Solid case.

[Ragian]

Did you, as EW seems to think, claim town doc, Son!c?

[Loose Canon]

As much as you hate it Sonic, I think there is an onus on you to make a full claim.

[SoN!c]

As much as you hate it Sonic, I think there is an onus on you to make a full claim.

No its not. Its Ragian who needs to. He soft claimed a protective role. Me too, so one of us is lying. I already confirmed EW and im no bus driver.

And why if scum would i make this a Ragian OR SoNic thing? I could of easily pivoted to a silent player instead.

[Ragian]

So, you're defo stating that you're a protective role, then, right?

[SoN!c]

So, you're defo stating that you're a protective role, then, right?

Aren't you defo stating that you're a protective role too?

[Ragian]

There will be no answers from you. Only dancing around the fire. If you are not a protective role, you'd have corrected EW. Unless, of course, you're scum. In that case, you'd love for EW to think you're a protective role. He's caught you visiting the cop. That looks bad, so it's best to a) keep it vague enough for you to have an escape route should you be countered or b) if the shit hits the fan, then at least make sure you identify the remaining protective role.

It could also be a cool cahoots scenario where you and EW are scum together, but that seems a bit too far-fetched for me at the moment. However, I'm convinced that you, Son!c, is scum. Despite your attempts at misrepresenting my alleged play when town.

[Loose Canon]

And whilst you 2 are having this standoff how the hell would a Town Extreme know that you 2 specifically would be having this standoff?
Thats what I'm asking myself.
What town role would know something funny had happened between you 2 AND at the same time know that one of you visited Halrob?
Thats 2 pieces of weird knowledge for 1 town player from 1 night.
And from 1 town player who has outed his power to Mafia.

So am I being stupid or what but doesn't it mean Extreme at least cannot be Town?

[Ragian]

That baffles me too, Loose. I cannot tell you what EW is thinking. Maybe he didn't want to out himself, so he made up something to see who bites. Son!c bit. Maybe he's not even a tracker. I don't see how you must think that he's necessarily scum. Not that he's high on my town list.

[Devante]

I'm getting very confused here seems like there are too many role claims flying around, someone in that mix is not telling the truth but there's no counter claims. Feels like the blind leading the blind

FP Ragian

[Ragian]

Well, one thing is that he would know from D1 that I was suspicious of Son!c... You'd be not reading the thread to miss that.

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Rabbit hole possibility: Was it EW or you, Loose, that Son!c voted for without any reasons D1? If it was EW (I'll have to go back to check that), it could be a nice attempt at distancing themselves from each other and then N1 agree to "confirm" each other's towniness through their actions. I need my tinfoil hat soon.

FP'ed by Devante

Brief notes for you: According to EW, Son!c has claimed town doc. Son!c himself has neither confirmed nor denied this despite being asked if he claimed/breadcrumbed/whatever a protective role. I maintain that Son!c cannot be a protective role.

[Loose Canon]

That baffles me too, Loose. I cannot tell you what EW is thinking. Maybe he didn't want to out himself, so he made up something to see who bites. Son!c bit. Maybe he's not even a tracker. I don't see how you must think that he's necessarily scum. Not that he's high on my town list.

I too was at EW was probable town earlier in D2, I too thought there might be a bluff and that everything would be revealed - probably.
But apart from anything else how the hell did EW come to choose (correctly if town) that Rag and Sonic would be the players to play the bluff on?

My vote is sticking on EW for factual reasons (I think) , I hope I'm open minded enough and intelligent enough to vomit on humble pie if you Rag and/or Sonic can show me something better, and so switch my vote if so.

I have self doubts about both my open mindedness and intelligence but hey my tummy is brave.

[Ragian]

I don't know what more you want. I can't get you a guilty verdict. I got this so far on Son!c:
- D1: Voted EW without reason and then scolded EW for asking about the vote.
- D1: When I did the same, he didn't acknowledge the vote at all.
- D1: When I mentioned him not acknowledging the vote, he didn't react.
- N1: Visited halrob.
- D2: Has, according to EW, claimed to be town doc.
- D2: Refuses to engage in clearing whether or not he did in fact claim town doc/protective role.

[Ragian]

Meanwhile we have a handful of players not really participating...

[hjelp]

Town has lost unless we can unite to lynch one player.

[SoN!c]

I don't know what more you want. I can't get you a guilty verdict. I got this so far on Son!c:
- D1: Voted EW without reason and then scolded EW for asking about the vote.
- D1: When I did the same, he didn't acknowledge the vote at all.
- D1: When I mentioned him not acknowledging the vote, he didn't react.
- N1: Visited halrob.
- D2: Has, according to EW, claimed to be town doc.
- D2: Refuses to engage in clearing whether or not he did in fact claim town doc/protective role.

Your so funny Ragian. Everytime i read your "influencing others posts" i was thinking "huh i didnt say that?". . This is total mud he throws at me.. And then a few posts later you always self confirm your own elfen dork arse pulled mud

The previous post you did it again, the one your influencing Loose, and here is the self-confirmation already. Nice psy-op scum tactic

But okay im on holiday so perhaps i have it wrong so to be 100% sure on the matter: im pretty sure i never voted EW D1 like you just "looked up".

Could you be so kind and quote my EW vote D1 that you "looked up" and bring that tin foil hat that you wear?

[SoN!c]

Well, one thing is that he would know from D1 that I was suspicious of Son!c... You'd be not reading the thread to miss that.

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Rabbit hole possibility: Was it EW or you, Loose, that Son!c voted for without any reasons D1? If it was EW (I'll have to go back to check that), it could be a nice attempt at distancing themselves from each other and then N1 agree to "confirm" each other's towniness through their actions. I need my tinfoil hat soon.

FP'ed by Devante

Brief notes for you: According to EW, Son!c has claimed town doc. Son!c himself has neither confirmed nor denied this despite being asked if he claimed/breadcrumbed/whatever a protective role. I maintain that Son!c cannot be a protective role.

that Son!c voted for without any reasons D1?

This is the "ground work mud" im talking about. Also nicely done to weave in that "SoN!c votes without any reasons".

"Charle's fun mafia" should be called Ragian fun mafia!

[SoN!c]

Also nicely done to weave in that "SoN!c votes without any reasons" now my vote is on you.

And you voted EW D1 in exactly the way you describe here as saying it was me.. Pinning your night actions on me clearly messes with your head. No tin foil hat will be big enough im afraid

[Ragian]

Fine. Your vote was on Devon, but you yelled at EW. My point remains: You never reacted to me voting you. You know perfectly well what happened, but rather than clearing things up and move the game forward, you want the waters to stay muddy.

Unvote DDS

Vote Devon

Any particular reason why Devon in particular?

Well after the story about throwing a stone in the pond where DDS was: it's not that hard to believe i would throw a new stone in another pond. A inexperienced pond this time..

Adding pressure to your vote. Because D1 is not that long anymore and this would be the last call / last shot at anybody getting real friction.

Pretty predictable i would do that.

But then, after the predictable outcome you go throwing shades on that comradery action.And while doing that you are defusing debunking your own vote action on Devon? Pretty sure Devon won't feel the heat now.

Was it a genius level last D1 moment voting for your scum buddy in order to have seemingly no ties attached for the rest of the game EW? Making sure you and him are seemingly opposite alligned? It's pretty late D1 so this would be you. Knowing you can defuse any action this late into D1.. Hmmmm?

Because: why would you throw shades on your matey following you otherwise?

Vote Son!c

So, my vote on Son!c was really meant as a stab at how Son!c turned it around saying that his vote following EW without any explanation is the way to go. The point was that Son!c should ask about my vote and I would quote him. That didn't work. However, Son!c hasn't even acknowledged the vote, which I find far more interesting. Instead, he has flooded the thread Son!c style with irrelevant albeit amusing posts. I feel he's trying to drown out something.

I'd like Son!c to be the second claim D1. We have to hurry up a bit in order to choose between lynching halrob, any second claim (I advocate for Son!c), or not lynching (and thus just letting scum make their first move).