[OFFICIAL] Charle's Fun Mafia - "Game On" Day 2

[Ragian]

I don't know what more you want. I can't get you a guilty verdict. I got this so far on Son!c:
- D1: Voted EW Devon without reason and then scolded EW for asking about the vote.
- D1: When I did the same, he didn't acknowledge the vote at all.
- D1: When I mentioned him not acknowledging the vote, he didn't react.
- N1: Visited halrob.
- D2: Has, according to EW, claimed to be town doc.
- D2: Refuses to engage in clearing whether or not he did in fact claim town doc/protective role.

EBWOP

At no point have I generalised that you vote without reason.

[SoN!c]

i didn't got your vote or stab D1 at me at all and its one of the things that later sticked to me as one of many "huh i didnt say thaties".. this happened when the patern became visible but "Ragian is misreading it or his memory is messy" was my D1 town (just town paranoid) feel on you.

So D1 i must have fast read it, either not thinking much of it or i scrolled over completely thinking its a misread or thinking this is not were the focus must be at that time.

I still don't know your question or what it was but if you rephrase now always happy to answer.

Also to lazy to read back because i dont care but there were a lot of "i didnt say thaties", hence the "old man and memory remarks" i made (which i shouldnt have but i was trying to get a angry reaction emotion out of you) and then later the "elfendust dorc poops" remarks when the pattern got too stinky for me to believe it to be town. Like now im pretty sure i never voted anybody without a stated reason (if not following somebody like loose to add pressure for good reasons). Its just not my style to do so.

[SoN!c]

I don't know what more you want. I can't get you a guilty verdict. I got this so far on Son!c:
- D1: Voted EW Devon without reason and then scolded EW for asking about the vote.
- D1: When I did the same, he didn't acknowledge the vote at all.
- D1: When I mentioned him not acknowledging the vote, he didn't react.
- N1: Visited halrob.
- D2: Has, according to EW, claimed to be town doc.
- D2: Refuses to engage in clearing whether or not he did in fact claim town doc/protective role.

EBWOP

At no point have I generalised that you vote without reason.

Didnt see the FP

[chanakam2020]

Hm, This is becoming very interesting and also very complex.
Trying to understand the long confrontation of EW, Sonic, Ragian & (Loose Cannon ?) My head is spinning like a spinnign top in a roller coaster

D2 is flying and it seems we are nowhere near to agree for one thing or other.
On D-1 we found virtually nothing
(We got COP claim form halrob. But at D-2 did not have chance to verify it because of stewpid higher authority)
If we finish the D-2 also without clear plan and agreement to find some useful info I think we will be in very bad shape when another 2 die at night.
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Earlier on this game some wise man said "lynching is the towns only weapon"
(cannot remember who said it and lazy and not feeling well and not in mood to dig down deep in thread to find it)
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If we lynch some one today there is 4/11 = 0.36 chance we will bust a Bad Boy
Going to N2 with no lynch D-2 = We had 0.00% chance of busting a Bad Boy on D-2 and we go to night without any new solid info.
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Now at the moment in D-2 we have 4 Bad boys and 7 Good Boys.
If we luckey to lynch a correct target today, then at the begining of D-3 after 2 night deaths there will be 3 Bad Boys vs 5 Good Boys & 5 votes enough to lynch.
If we mislynch a Good Boya today then at the begining of D-3 there will be 4 Bad Boys vs 4 Good Boys & 5 votes to lynch (Mission impossible !!!)

Am I doing correct math here ?
If I am correct we cannot risk to mislynch a Good Boy today.

I have to cast my vote very carefully and have to read and think more.
It seems there is no interest about getting Kingm to L-2 and getting his role claim.
So till I see some hope of light at the end of the tunnel

Unvote

[SoN!c]

I don't know what more you want. I can't get you a guilty verdict. I got this so far on Son!c:
- D1: Voted EW Devon without reason and then scolded EW for asking about the vote.
- D1: When I did the same, he didn't acknowledge the vote at all.
- D1: When I mentioned him not acknowledging the vote, he didn't react.
- N1: Visited halrob.
- D2: Has, according to EW, claimed to be town doc.
- D2: Refuses to engage in clearing whether or not he did in fact claim town doc/protective role.

EBWOP

At no point have I generalised that you vote without reason.

And you said it before in the "ground mud" post too

Ragians tin foil mafia its just too funny

[Loose Canon]

Trying to work out if I need to rethink here.

So rag sonic I think on rereading you have both virtually claimed town protective roles.

Correct?

If so I need to consider if both (say bodyguard and doc) are possible and if so how...?

And Sonic I think you have also confirmed you visited Halrob - correct?

[SoN!c]

Trying to work out if I need to rethink here.

So rag sonic I think on rereading you have both virtually claimed town protective roles.

Correct?

If so I need to consider if both (say bodyguard and doc) are possible and if so how...?

And Sonic I think you have also confirmed you visited Halrob - correct?

Yes 100%. I think my posts are very clear on that subject, at least for the comprehensive. Its Ragian who does not wanna answer anything on the matter.

[SoN!c]

As much as you hate it Sonic, I think there is an onus on you to make a full claim.

No its not. Its Ragian who needs to. He soft claimed a protective role. Me too, so one of us is lying. I already confirmed EW and im no bus driver.

And why if scum would i make this a Ragian OR SoNic thing? I could of easily pivoted to a silent player instead.

If this is not clear enough what is?

[Ragian]

Cool. If you also agree that one of us is lying, let's lynch one of us. I don't mind taking a bullet if I trade it for a scum hit.

[SoN!c]

Cool. If you also agree that one of us is lying, let's lynch one of us. I don't mind taking a bullet if I trade it for a scum hit.

Yes im pretty sure you would say that but im also 100% sure you don't wanna go first right

The entire play is D2 is crucial based.

I have no problem with town lynching me after lynching you first.

[Loose Canon]

Ew on the other hand claims to have correctly identified and so tracked a visitor sonic to halrob and it just so happens happened upon rag as the other player in his one of the two of you visited Halrob play.

And as a supposed town ew felt it worth outing his own pr and 50/50 outing another town pr to mafia.

There's a lot of coincidence and risking a lot for no guaranteed result in that.

A lot of a lot.

Fpd

[SoN!c]

Cool. If you also agree that one of us is lying, let's lynch one of us. I don't mind taking a bullet if I trade it for a scum hit.

If Rag is saying the truth here and wanna be lynched first i will believe him. Anybody can see this is bluff poker otherwise.

[Loose Canon]

And a mafia extreme with a mafia watcher of players visiting Halrob would see sonic and I think that would put sonic as the more likely of the 2 of you to be town.

Wouldn't it rag?

Wouldn't it sonic?

[SoN!c]

Rag, your poker bluff has been called.

Your pockets are empty by now but you can still gamble your tin foil hat.

Are you gonna go all in and agree to be lynched first? :Taking a bullet for the team first to trade in".

Or lets hear it - can't wait tbh what you will come up now

[Extreme Ways]

I hate this.

@Rag, can you explain why you weren't forward with your visit to Halrob when I asked you about it? I want to understand your process.

@Loose me calling out rag/sonic as my potential investigation targets was a bit of luck. I knew Rag was active enough to interact with, and I also didn't want to 100% out a potential town doc when I wasnt yet sure. Yet not outing that someone visited our Cop would be even worse, as they could very likely be scum. I felt that Sonic was more forward/open with his visit, and Rag wasn't. That made me think Sonic was town-aligned and why I didnt understand Rag's hesitancy.

Rag's play is exactly how I would play it as scum - until recently at least. It's very likely both visited Halrob and it's indeed 1 scum 1 town and realistically we should eliminate outside of it as the serial killer can go for both slots, aiming to hif mafia.

I am not 100% sold on Sonic/Rag being town. Sonic appeasing me can very well be scum Sonic, Rag not hardclaiming any role either is not satisfying me. I dont like both responses at this point

[SoN!c]

EW, im a bit drunk here but could you explain why Rag and you could not both in it together? The reason i ask you is because you would have been extremely lucky and mostly because Ragian was explaining it so well with my alledged D1 vote on you. Except it was Ragians vote..ooops?

[hjelp]

And whilst you 2 are having this standoff how the hell would a Town Extreme know that you 2 specifically would be having this standoff?
Thats what I'm asking myself.
What town role would know something funny had happened between you 2 AND at the same time know that one of you visited Halrob?
Thats 2 pieces of weird knowledge for 1 town player from 1 night.
And from 1 town player who has outed his power to Mafia.

So am I being stupid or what but doesn't it mean Extreme at least cannot be Town?

As I see it, EW is Town but a traitor. That's how a Town Extreme would know.

[Loose Canon]

Extreme, why did you do the 50/50 thing at all?

I mean I think it was to lure people into Extreme is making a very clever play here must be town, with a touch of I don't want them to realise it is such a reckless play, with a touch of this is going to be so beautiful, with a touch of if they lynch the mafia I'll look town.
You could have just come straight out and said you tracked Sonic and not done the 50/50 thing.

If thats not it what was it?


FPd by hjelp

[Loose Canon]

It appears I would have lost my charity bet as Rag now appears to be mafia and not vanilla town.

So I'll withdraw that offer and make another one instead.

If I'm right to any takers you pay £100 to your favourite charity.
If I'm wrong I'll pay £100 to my favourite charity and £100 to yours.

The new proposition I'll make is.
Extreme is mafia
Ragian is mafia
I'm Vanilla town
Chanakam is vanilla town too
I have to be right on all 4 to be right, otherwise I'm wrong.

[Loose Canon]

I can imagine the chat in mafia right now:

PLAYER X: you idiot extreme
EXTREME: you idiot ragian
RAGIAN: I'm not the idiot you got us into this mess
EXTREME: no I'm not blaming you for the mess in the game
RAGIAN: huh
EXTREME: this is torture
RAGIAN: yes but how does that make me an idiot
EXTREME: you gave Loose the bloody nipple twisters

(Joke from a previous game when rag was the moderator and gave me nipple twisters)

[chanakam2020]

I can imagine the chat in mafia right now:

PLAYER X: you idiot extreme
EXTREME: you idiot ragian
RAGIAN: I'm not the idiot you got us into this mess
EXTREME: no I'm not blaming you for the mess in the game
RAGIAN: huh
EXTREME: this is torture
RAGIAN: yes but how does that make me an idiot
EXTREME: you gave Loose the bloody nipple twisters

(Joke from a previous game when rag was the moderator and gave me nipple twisters)

If this is from previous game, then who is the player X on this game ?

[chanakam2020]

Rag's play is exactly how I would play it as scum - until recently at least. It's very likely both visited Halrob and it's indeed 1 scum 1 town and realistically we should eliminate outside of it as the serial killer can go for both slots, aiming to hif mafia.

Wait.
So you did not know (Before Sonics acceptance of visiting Halrob) exactly the number of players and who visited Halrob ?
But you only knew someone visited him & that could be single player or multiple players ?
Am I interpreting your above sentence correctly ?
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[Loose Canon]

Chana the nipple twisters were a joke gift from mod Rag in a previous game to me.

I don't know who player X - the third mafia is in this game - and feel personally its not productive for me to hazard guesses at this point.
They'd detract from the more concrete points I'm trying to drive home if I started hazarding.

And on a serious point is it possible we have 2 x town protectives but no detective?
It would sorta be a balance to 3 mafia 1 sk and so 2 potential town dead each night.
Self questioning my own logic for rigour.

Makes me wanna get Extreme rather than Rag today when I was swaying - either - don't care.

???

[Loose Canon]

Sorry I'm flooding the post - I'm excited - my mind is buzzing - and I'm going on holiday tomorrow.

IF one of the claimed town protective roles is fake it has to be called as Rag being the fake one - to me anyway for reasons set out - show that fails a rigour test if it does - I'll admit I haven't tried to self give it one.
A town protective Sonic suspects a claimed town protective Rag, and a town protective Rag suspects a town protective Sonic thats natural.
There's lots of town signals from both from where I'm sitting even though both are suspicious of each other.
Rag - Sonics eureka jubilation was I suggest genuine.
Where does that leave you though Rag - I mean a town Rag knows he is town as much as a town Sonic knows he is town?

Consider the below for 2 town protective roles.

If we mislynched either Rag or Sonic the suspicion would fall on the other.
In fact that in itself is part self balancing for having 2 town protectives - arguably very self balancing because as soon as one is eliminated or one claims the other either suspects or becomes a suspect..
But it would probably need something else too.
Halrob as Cop - didn't he go down the line of saying he'd tried to investigate Rag?
Yes Halrob as Cop but Mafia Cop who did investigate Rag.
You may think its farfetched and a massive leap of faith but its possible and balanced and kinda FUN.
I'm not saying it IS as above,
Night 2 will either show it more or less likely.

The correct play today is lynch Extreme - I've given you all the reasons for that.

[Loose Canon]

I amend my last charity bet offer.

My proposition now is

Mafia Extreme
Vanilla Town - Me
Vanila Town - Chana
Town Protective - Sonic