What does President Trump do NOW?

[jusplay4fun]

Kill more Narco-Terrorists.

[jusplay4fun]

Trump has already accomplished MORE in less than one year than Biden did in FOUR years.

Yup, he's destroyed the lives of something well over a million immigrants.

Are you referring to ILLEGAL immigrants?

You like to throw that big word around, "ILLEGAL" especially in all caps.

Makes you feel like you're talking about criminals.

But in actual fact, the majority of deportees have only trivial offenses on their record. Many have simply overstayed their visa or made some technical error on their application. Some have traffic offenses. Only a minority have any kind of criminal record, and even in that group, the majority have ridiculous things like simple shoplifting arrests 20 years ago.

And of course, since ICE focuses on raiding workplaces, the overwhelming majority are people have been living productive lives at present, even if they had some minor tangle with the law years ago.

Okay, let me continue what I started with Duk. I think Duk tries to engage in meaningful and fair discussions, so let us re-convene.

First question: Are they here illegally? Did the wait in line like many others?

Now, as to whether the USA needs most immigrants to WORK? Yes? Are most OTHERWISE law-abiding citizens? Yes, most are. I think I have answered such matters and questions already. I see no need to restate ALL that (see the immigration thread).

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=235685&p=5367344&hilit=immigration#p5367344

Hyperbole on nearly everyone of these points. As I recall, Trump is still talking to the Prime Minister of Canada to work out differences, especially as they relate to tariffs.

He grudgingly agreed to permit peace between Israel and Hamas, in a settlement which his predecessor negotiated a year ago, and which Trump initially quashed on taking office.

Assuming this is true, Biden accomplished NOTHING. Biden MAY have had a plan, but it never got any real progress under sleepy old Joe. It took the energy, commitment, and Time by Trump AND negotiations and efforts of MANY (nations and persons) to make this happen. It also took Israel (with some US Assistance) to take out other Iranian proxies, making Hamas vulnerable to pressure from Israel. This WOULD NOT have happened without Trump. PERIOD.

Duk or others can try to allege otherwise. I have seen nothing to contradict this.

Short memory. The Biden-negotiated ceasefire in Gaza wasn't some "plan", it was an agreement that had been signed by both sides and was IN EFFECT at the start of Trump's term. Trump encouraged Nutty Yahoo to abrogate the agreement and caused the war to reignite.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/really-happened-between-gaza-ceasefires-180001337.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

Please enlighten me, Duk. I recall NO such agreement, and EVEN IF THERE were, NOTHING came of it. Tell me what Biden accomplished in the Middle East, except to let Anthony Blinken accumulate miles on his frequent flier program

Have I missed any "accomplishments"?

YES: 1) Economic (many parts), including decrease in energy costs,
2) the border, reduction in illegal immigration, deporting criminal illegal aliens;
3) increase in Pride by many Americans for America;
4) ending DEI and cutting back on the influence of WOKE culture;
5) ending Transgender folks in the US Military;

He signed executive orders to protect minors from "gender-affirming care" and to ensure that only two sexes (male and female) are recognized by the federal government.

6) cutting a bloated Federal work force;
7) cutting funding of many things that have gone beyond their intent, such as CPB.
8 ) I am sure I missed MORE accomplishments by Trump.
9) He did present Charlie Kirk the Presidential Medal of Freedom, posthumously, earlier today, to his widow, on what would have been Charlie Kirks 32nd birthday.

Trump posthumously awards Charlie Kirk the Presidential Medal of Freedom a month after his killing
Kirk’s widow, Erika Kirk, accepted the medal on his behalf on what would have been his 32nd birthday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-posthumously-awards-charlie-kirk-presidential-medal-freedom-mont-rcna237660

Oh, yes, by all means, give a medal to some jerk who's claim to fame was that he could humiliate little girls. Hey, if I come beat up your daughter, do I get a medal too?

The other stuff on your list is mostly culture wars nonsense. If you take pride in kicking around trannies, so be it, but don't pretend it's some kind of "accomplishment". It's a bully being himself, nothing to write home about.

"Energy" prices being down is misleading. Oil prices are down this year, but electricity prices are up. Oil prices cycle up and down constantly, so nothing dramatic there, but electricity prices have generally been less cyclical, so the rise is probably a little more alarming than the up-and-down of oil.

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Sounds like sour grapes to me, Duk. Did I fuss when Obama handed out Medals of Freedom to ANY ONE?

And transgender "policies" are JUST CRAP, by demented or confused persons who are riding the FAD of the moment. Liberals are all over that one, as if that is a REAL issue. That is NOT BIOLOGY. If you perceive that is bullying, OH WELL.

As far as energy prices, I agree; they are up, now that I have had time TO THINK about it. There is more demand for electricity, and it continues to grow. OF COURSE. IN VA, one data center did not get approval, but many others did and they USE LOTS of electricity. AND Power companies are trying to switch AWAY or at least offer alternative sources of energy, besides fossil fuels, especially away from coal and fuel oil (Petroleum). The building and installation of Wind Mills and solar (photovoltaic) cells is NOT CHEAP. There was opposition to build a natural gas plant where a coal fire plant was being shut down. The gas plant is about the CLEANEST fossil fuel avaiable and I think it was to be a BACK UP and not primary plant.

There is HOPE if we can get FUSION going; there are plans to build one in Central VA, near RIchmond.

AI Overview
The world's first': Startup plans multibillion-dollar fusion ...
Commonwealth Fusion Systems (CFS) will build the world's first grid-scale commercial fusion power plant in Chesterfield County, Virginia. The facility, named ARC, will be located at the James River Industrial Center, is expected to produce about 400 megawatts of clean, zero-carbon power, and is projected to begin operations in the early 2030s.
Company: Commonwealth Fusion Systems (CFS)
Location: James River Industrial Center in Chesterfield County VA

btw: I assume I got most quotes correct, but I may have missed one here or there.

[Pack Rat]

When will the pro-pedophiles give in and release the Epstein Files?

Bad enough they gave a pedophile and human sex trafficker a sweet heart deal and set her up in a minimum security club.

[Dukasaur]

Trump has already accomplished MORE in less than one year than Biden did in FOUR years.

Yup, he's destroyed the lives of something well over a million immigrants.

Are you referring to ILLEGAL immigrants?

You like to throw that big word around, "ILLEGAL" especially in all caps.

Makes you feel like you're talking about criminals.

But in actual fact, the majority of deportees have only trivial offenses on their record. Many have simply overstayed their visa or made some technical error on their application. Some have traffic offenses. Only a minority have any kind of criminal record, and even in that group, the majority have ridiculous things like simple shoplifting arrests 20 years ago.

And of course, since ICE focuses on raiding workplaces, the overwhelming majority are people have been living productive lives at present, even if they had some minor tangle with the law years ago.

Okay, let me continue what I started with Duk. I think Duk tries to engage in meaningful and fair discussions, so let us re-convene.

First question: Are they here illegally? Did the wait in line like many others?

Some didn't. Many did.

Some came as children, with their parents. Some came as legitimate refugees and have been waiting years for their cases to be heard. Some snuck across the border because it was the only way. Many came on work visas and simply overstayed the expiration because the pay was good and whoever they were working for was happy to have them.

A great many have been people from Cuba or Venezuela or Afghanistan.

Cuba and Venezuela are countries the U.S. has been waging economic war on for a long time, and people were encouraged to leave those countries in order to weaken them. In the case of Cuba, refugees have been encouraged have been encouraged to come to the U.S., as a more-or-less official policy, for 70 years, and suddenly the welcome mat has been jerked away. Venezuela is much more recent, but a similar situation.

The Afghanis in most cases are people who actively co-operated with the American puppet regime and are therefore as good as dead back home. They were brought to the U.S. with the active co-operation of the U.S. government, because of their previous status as collaborators. Now they too are suddenly being removed, and those that go back to Afghanistan will be jailed or killed for having helped your forces. Nobody on earth who is less evil than Trump thinks these people should be sent back to their death.

Similar situations existed for Vietnamese and Cambodian and Kurdish and Nicaraguan Contra refugees, former allies of yours that have previously been welcomed by your government due to their collaboration with your forces, and suddenly forgotten. Those are smaller groups, the first two because they have mostly aged out and the last two because they were always tiny groups.

Now, as to whether the USA needs most immigrants to WORK? Yes? Are most OTHERWISE law-abiding citizens? Yes, most are. I think I have answered such matters and questions already. I see no need to restate ALL that (see the immigration thread).

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=235685&p=5367344&hilit=immigration#p5367344

You see no reason to restate it all, but tomorrow you'll go right back to using the pejorative "Illegals!" as if none of our previous conversations took place. And after long and strenous argument, you'll again admit that most of them are law-abiding hard-working people. And the next day you'll again be smearing them.

You're like a reformed alcoholic who breaks down the moment there's a bottle within reach. Admit they're decent people one day, go back to slandering them the next.

He grudgingly agreed to permit peace between Israel and Hamas, in a settlement which his predecessor negotiated a year ago, and which Trump initially quashed on taking office.

Assuming this is true, Biden accomplished NOTHING. Biden MAY have had a plan, but it never got any real progress under sleepy old Joe. It took the energy, commitment, and Time by Trump AND negotiations and efforts of MANY (nations and persons) to make this happen. It also took Israel (with some US Assistance) to take out other Iranian proxies, making Hamas vulnerable to pressure from Israel. This WOULD NOT have happened without Trump. PERIOD.

Duk or others can try to allege otherwise. I have seen nothing to contradict this.

Short memory. The Biden-negotiated ceasefire in Gaza wasn't some "plan", it was an agreement that had been signed by both sides and was IN EFFECT at the start of Trump's term. Trump encouraged Nutty Yahoo to abrogate the agreement and caused the war to reignite.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/really-happened-between-gaza-ceasefires-180001337.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

Please enlighten me, Duk. I recall NO such agreement, and EVEN IF THERE were, NOTHING came of it. Tell me what Biden accomplished in the Middle East, except to let Anthony Blinken accumulate miles on his frequent flier program

Like I said, you seem to have a very short memory. It was less than a year ago. Or maybe your memory is just very selective. I posted one link to refresh your memory. If you need more, you can go do your own homework. I'm sure you can look through a newspaper archive as well as I can. Or quite likely there's a wikipedia article.

You can smear Blinken if you want. I've listened to a couple interviews with him, and he struck me as one of the most thoughtful and objective people to try to deal with the situation. Not like Trump &Co who only go to the Middle East to collect bribes and line their pockets.

I think if you wanted to be honest, you do remember. The Biden ceasefire was a good framework. But when Trump entered the White House, Nutty Yahoo knew he could get away with anything, and he knowingly and deliberately resumed the conflict, with Trump's knowledge and approval.

Sounds like sour grapes to me, Duk. Did I fuss when Obama handed out Medals of Freedom to ANY ONE?

You're the one who listed given a medal to some abusive punk as an "achievement." I know awards are sometimes given to the undeserving, but I've never seen someone crow about it as if it was an "achievement".

Gotta go.

[jusplay4fun]

Let's streamline some key issues for Duk and me.

A) Immigration:

Did those folks who crossed the border without official status of any sort do an illegal act? YES. Are most of them here for ECONOMIC reasons? YES. Do they also enjoy the FREEDOM and the OPPORTUNITY to be successful in this country, one that provides such opportunity for ALL who arrive here legally? YES. I am a LEGAL immigrant and have been relatively successful. YES. Do I understand the plight of many immigrants? YES, more so than most who post here. If I call them ILLEGAL Aliens, does that make me EVIL? I do not think so. I can a spade a spade and I call a diamond a diamond.

Most all protests are about Mexicans and those from Central America. I do not hear about those from Vietnam or Afhghanistan protesting. The number of such immigrants are relatively small. Your arguments about immigrants from other nations are basically irrelevant.

I am not aware of Afghanis sent back; show me evidence that there is a signficant number or even more than 10. So much for the evil of Trump on this point, until you can offer any evidence to the contrary.

As far as Biden opening the Southern border to Venezuelan and other "oppressed" people merely proves my point: That Biden made a bigger mess of that issue by giving special status for those from Venezuela and Haiti and at least one more nation that I do not recall at the moment.

B) Middle East:

I do not recall the accord that GOT ANYWHERE. It was unimportant then and is NOW. I am not going to look for something irrelevant. If my memory is faulty, my apologies. I do not keep track of useless or trivial information.

C) Medals:

jusplay4fun wrote:
Sounds like sour grapes to me, Duk. Did I fuss when Obama handed out Medals of Freedom to ANY ONE?

You're the one who listed given a medal to some abusive punk as an "achievement." I know awards are sometimes given to the undeserving, but I've never seen someone crow about it as if it was an "achievement".

Gotta go.

You have not changed your opinion of Charlie Kirk; that is evident. You continue to misrepresent what Charlie Kirk was about and you missed THE Major Point. What you call "abuse" is Charlie Kirk willing to engage in dialogue of those who think they KNOW something and who volunteer to engage and debate with him. I think your entire characterization of such dialogue and exchange as abuse shows how closed minded you are on this topic.

It is NOT ABUSE of someone volunteers to try to engage in a dialogue. You twist the facts to advance your agenda.

D) You omitted anything on energy policies and matters.

E) The same on the issues of self proclaimed "trans" individuals. They are:

1) mentally off ("crazy" or "mental" or have a mental condition of some sort) and/or
2) lying to themselves and are trying to have others accept their lies and/or self-induced confusion.

To be frank about this, there is a VERY SMALL (signficantly less than ONE percent**) of truly gender dysphoric persons. The media and others who want to oppose, denigrate, and ultimately destroy our widely accepted values have advanced a false agenda and narrative. They overstate the extent of gender dysphoria and allow a few confused and weak-minded individuals to advance a totally false narrative that there a more than TWO genders.

Doing a bit of "research" I found this small gem worth quoting from Mookie:

Re: Trans-Runner in Cal. Advances to Girl’s Championship
Postby mookiemcgee on Sun Jun 18, 2023 4:43 pm

I understand Saxi and others have REALLY STRONG opposition to body mutilation on underage persons (even if the kid wants it) before they turn 18.

Well in 2021 there were 282 'top' surgeries among minors across the whole country. Of a rough number of 27million minors between 12-17 that is .001%

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=239356&p=5288624&hilit=0.001#p5288624

[Dukasaur]

Let's streamline some key issues for Duk and me.

A) Immigration:

Did those folks who crossed the border without official status of any sort do an illegal act? YES. Are most of them here for ECONOMIC reasons? YES. Do they also enjoy the FREEDOM and the OPPORTUNITY to be successful in this country, one that provides such opportunity for ALL who arrive here legally? YES. I am a LEGAL immigrant and have been relatively successful. YES. Do I understand the plight of many immigrants? YES, more so than most who post here. If I call them ILLEGAL Aliens, does that make me EVIL? I do not think so. I can a spade a spade and I call a diamond a diamond.

I would never call you evil. If I thought you were evil, I wouldn't waste this much time talking to you.

But you do suffer from a terrible psychic split. On the one hand, you admit you know most of them are good, hard-working citizens, and not the murderers and rapists that Trump calls them. And yet, you smear them with the term "Illegals", which is technically true but still a smear. It's the choice between calling someone a senior citizen or a decrepit old fart.

Most all protests are about Mexicans and those from Central America. I do not hear about those from Vietnam or Afhghanistan protesting. The number of such immigrants are relatively small. Your arguments about immigrants from other nations are basically irrelevant.

I am not aware of Afghanis sent back; show me evidence that there is a signficant number or even more than 10. So much for the evil of Trump on this point, until you can offer any evidence to the contrary

LOL! Such low-hanging fruit you give me!

Here you go, from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (I hope that passes your test of "evidence"):

That's the A's and B's. You can look up other countries at your leisure.

As far as Biden opening the Southern border to Venezuelan and other "oppressed" people merely proves my point: That Biden made a bigger mess of that issue by giving special status for those from Venezuela and Haiti and at least one more nation that I do not recall at the moment.

And what would you do? Fleeing from a civil war is pretty much the classic refugee situation.

C) Medals:

jusplay4fun wrote:
Sounds like sour grapes to me, Duk. Did I fuss when Obama handed out Medals of Freedom to ANY ONE?

You're the one who listed given a medal to some abusive punk as an "achievement." I know awards are sometimes given to the undeserving, but I've never seen someone crow about it as if it was an "achievement".

Gotta go.

You have not changed your opinion of Charlie Kirk; that is evident. You continue to misrepresent what Charlie Kirk was about and you missed THE Major Point. What you call "abuse" is Charlie Kirk willing to engage in dialogue of those who think they KNOW something and who volunteer to engage and debate with him. I think your entire characterization of such dialogue and exchange as abuse shows how closed minded you are on this topic.

You're the one misrepresenting the situation. A "dialogue" is an open exchange of ideas, where both parties are willing to consider the ideas of the other.

What the Kirk punk did is not dialogue. Getting untrained speakers to (badly) express their feelings and then ambushing them with well-rehearsed rhetorical tricks is not in any way a dialogue. It's like if the British Bulldog ambushed old ladies on the street and put them down with a Suplex. Maybe entertaining for a vulgar kind of crowd but certainly not an equal contest, especially since Kirk did not post the "dialogues" in their entirety but only heavily-edited excerpts precisely designed to make him look good and others look bad. It's about as far from dialogue as you can get. He was a very disgusting person, and partisan as you may be, I'm really surprised to see you defending him.

D) You omitted anything on energy policies and matters.

There's not much to say. The world is moving away from dirty fuels like oil and coal. Trump is doing some kabuki theatre for a certain part of his following that beleives the 1950s were the "good old days" and if only we'd all go back to coal-fired furnaces and cars with monstrous V8s burning a gallon a minute that everything would be wonderful again.

There's a glut of oil on the market and prices are falling. In the midst of this, Trump is chanting "Drill Baby Drill!!" Nobody needs more oil, but he's going to demand more production anyway. Deliberately repealing environmental protection, a kind of right-wing virtue signalling. Reminds me of Saruman, sending his orcs out to cut down trees even though they already had more firewood than they would ever need, just out of spite.

E) The same on the issues of self proclaimed "trans" individuals. They are:

1) mentally off ("crazy" or "mental" or have a mental condition of some sort) and/or
2) lying to themselves and are trying to have others accept their lies and/or self-induced confusion.

To be frank about this, there is a VERY SMALL (signficantly less than ONE percent**) of truly gender dysphoric persons. The media and others who want to oppose, denigrate, and ultimately destroy our widely accepted values have advanced a false agenda and narrative. They overstate the extent of gender dysphoria and allow a few confused and weak-minded individuals to advance a totally false narrative that there a more than TWO genders.

Doing a bit of "research" I found this small gem worth quoting from Mookie:

Re: Trans-Runner in Cal. Advances to Girl’s Championship
Postby mookiemcgee on Sun Jun 18, 2023 4:43 pm

I understand Saxi and others have REALLY STRONG opposition to body mutilation on underage persons (even if the kid wants it) before they turn 18.

Well in 2021 there were 282 'top' surgeries among minors across the whole country. Of a rough number of 27million minors between 12-17 that is .001%

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=239356&p=5288624&hilit=0.001#p5288624

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I can partially agree with you. The number of people with true gender dysphoria is quite small. Some of the people getting sex reassignment surgery are undoubtedly confused individual.

And no, although in the normal course of development there are basically two sexes, there are legitimate intermediate states. There are people with a variety of chromosomal crossover states, not just XX or XY but XXYY or XYY or X with a damaged half-Y.

Even so, despite the existence of real intermediate genders, I will agree with you that the majority of cases are not biological but mental in origin.

Still, so what? You think public humiliation is the answer? You think a dishonourable discharge for soldier who has served well is justified, just because he or she has gender dysphoria?

No matter what the problem, public humiliation is not likely a good answer. Trump is a scumbag, playing to a very vulgar element among his followers. Compassion is almost always a better treatment than humiliation.

[jusplay4fun]

This discussion has become a MESS again, and it is difficult to respond to properly without LOTS of clean up of nested quotes. Let me spend a bit of time on Clean UP.

I did not clean this up entirely, but I will leave this for now. I have Clan Duties that require my time, and I have Leadership Duties (here on CC and in RL) that require my limited time.

I will say I enjoy the back and forth with Duk, and find him good at discussion, unlike most who thoughts are "a mile wide and only an inch deep."

Now I "gotta go."

Let's streamline some key issues for Duk and me.

A) Immigration:

Did those folks who crossed the border without official status of any sort do an illegal act? YES. Are most of them here for ECONOMIC reasons? YES. Do they also enjoy the FREEDOM and the OPPORTUNITY to be successful in this country, one that provides such opportunity for ALL who arrive here legally? YES. I am a LEGAL immigrant and have been relatively successful. YES. Do I understand the plight of many immigrants? YES, more so than most who post here. If I call them ILLEGAL Aliens, does that make me EVIL? I do not think so. I can a spade a spade and I call a diamond a diamond.

I would never call you evil. If I thought you were evil, I wouldn't waste this much time talking to you.

But you do suffer from a terrible psychic split. On the one hand, you admit you know most of them are good, hard-working citizens, and not the murderers and rapists that Trump calls them. And yet, you smear them with the term "Illegals", which is technically true but still a smear. It's the choice between calling someone a senior citizen or a decrepit old fart.

[/quote]

But they are indeed here in this country ILLEGALLY. It is NOT meant by me as a smear but as a statement of FACT. If you want to intrepret that label as a SMEAR, so be it. I cannot control your interpretations of the FACTS, Duk.

Most all protests are about Mexicans and those from Central America. I do not hear about those from Vietnam or Afhghanistan protesting. The number of such immigrants are relatively small. Your arguments about immigrants from other nations are basically irrelevant.

I am not aware of Afghanis sent back; show me evidence that there is a signficant number or even more than 10. So much for the evil of Trump on this point, until you can offer any evidence to the contrary

LOL! Such low-hanging fruit you give me!

Here you go, from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (I hope that passes your test of "evidence"):

That's the A's and B's. You can look up other countries at your leisure.

[/quote]
[/quote]

Proves NOTHING. Yes, of course this is good evidence, BUT Those nations A-B have relatively LOW stats and numbers. I saw listed (same source) 155+ K arrested or detained from Mexico, as expected AND as predicted. Listing nations whose first letter is A or B proves NOTHING, especially without context. You try to hide the message under a mountain of data that really is factual but proves nothing.

As far as Biden opening the Southern border to Venezuelan and other "oppressed" people merely proves my point: That Biden made a bigger mess of that issue by giving special status for those from Venezuela and Haiti and at least one more nation that I do not recall at the moment.

And what would you do? Fleeing from a civil war is pretty much the classic refugee situation.[/quote]
[/quote]


No Doubt. It does NOT mean that Biden HAD to open the border to them without a MEANS TO PAY for all that care that would be needed, not with California and other states trying to HOUSE and FEED and provide them medical care and PROVIDING NO way to PAY for all that care. Classic Liberal and IRRESPONSIBLE approach: Spend Money and provide no means to actually pay, other than printing money or adding to the US Debt to be paid by my (and OTHER) children and grandchildren.

C) Medals:

jusplay4fun wrote:
Sounds like sour grapes to me, Duk. Did I fuss when Obama handed out Medals of Freedom to ANY ONE?

You're the one who listed given a medal to some abusive punk as an "achievement." I know awards are sometimes given to the undeserving, but I've never seen someone crow about it as if it was an "achievement".

Gotta go.

You have not changed your opinion of Charlie Kirk; that is evident. You continue to misrepresent what Charlie Kirk was about and you missed THE Major Point. What you call "abuse" is Charlie Kirk willing to engage in dialogue of those who think they KNOW something and who volunteer to engage and debate with him. I think your entire characterization of such dialogue and exchange as abuse shows how closed minded you are on this topic.

You're the one misrepresenting the situation. A "dialogue" is an open exchange of ideas, where both parties are willing to consider the ideas of the other.

What the Kirk punk did is not dialogue. Getting untrained speakers to (badly) express their feelings and then ambushing them with well-rehearsed rhetorical tricks is not in any way a dialogue. It's like if the British Bulldog ambushed old ladies on the street and put them down with a Suplex. Maybe entertaining for a vulgar kind of crowd but certainly not an equal contest, especially since Kirk did not post the "dialogues" in their entirety but only heavily-edited excerpts precisely designed to make him look good and others look bad. It's about as far from dialogue as you can get. He was a very disgusting person, and partisan as you may be, I'm really surprised to see you defending him.[/quote]

One point I will make for NOW is that Kirk was willing to exchange ideas and be willing to HEAR and respond to the opposing view. MOST speakers merely TALK and Speak and do not offer a chance for questions or opposing views to be EVEN EXPRESSED. I call that exchange with Kirk dialogue and you call that "ambush" and "abuse." Those terms you use show you biases, Duk.

D) You omitted anything on energy policies and matters.

There's not much to say. The world is moving away from dirty fuels like oil and coal. Trump is doing some kabuki theatre for a certain part of his following that beleives the 1950s were the "good old days" and if only we'd all go back to coal-fired furnaces and cars with monstrous V8s burning a gallon a minute that everything would be wonderful again.

There's a glut of oil on the market and prices are falling. In the midst of this, Trump is chanting "Drill Baby Drill!!" Nobody needs more oil, but he's going to demand more production anyway. Deliberately repealing environmental protection, a kind of right-wing virtue signalling. Reminds me of Saruman, sending his orcs out to cut down trees even though they already had more firewood than they would ever need, just out of spite.[/quote]

I think you have a point, Duk. I will say that Biden TRIED to move the country away from Petroleum and fossil fuels, but DID NOT sell his ideas to the American People. He merely signed Executive Orders without realizing what he was signing and to engage in virtue signaling. I heard him say, to himself, but on a HOT microphone "What am I signing here?"

Oil prices (i.e., energy prices) ROSE sharply under Biden. I was prepared to pay, but I still think Biden NEVER explained what he was attempting and doing and never let the American people know that his actions were going to lead to higher prices for energy and gasoline. I think that he and his advisors KNEW that such policies would cause short-term pain and an increase in gasoline prices, was politically unpopular. BUT Biden WAS NOT willing to spend political capital on this issue. I knew, but I doubt many others understood what Biden was attempting. I also think he used "Green Energy" Policies to reward his economically reward his political friends and try to win and BUY votes, that ULTIMATELY FAILED since he was so INCOMPETENT as POTUS.

E) The same on the issues of self proclaimed "trans" individuals. They are:

1) mentally off ("crazy" or "mental" or have a mental condition of some sort) and/or
2) lying to themselves and are trying to have others accept their lies and/or self-induced confusion.

To be frank about this, there is a VERY SMALL (signficantly less than ONE percent**) of truly gender dysphoric persons. The media and others who want to oppose, denigrate, and ultimately destroy our widely accepted values have advanced a false agenda and narrative. They overstate the extent of gender dysphoria and allow a few confused and weak-minded individuals to advance a totally false narrative that there a more than TWO genders.

Doing a bit of "research" I found this small gem worth quoting from Mookie:

Re: Trans-Runner in Cal. Advances to Girl’s Championship
Postby mookiemcgee on Sun Jun 18, 2023 4:43 pm

I understand Saxi and others have REALLY STRONG opposition to body mutilation on underage persons (even if the kid wants it) before they turn 18.

Well in 2021 there were 282 'top' surgeries among minors across the whole country. Of a rough number of 27million minors between 12-17 that is .001%

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=239356&p=5288624&hilit=0.001#p5288624

[/quote]
I can partially agree with you. The number of people with true gender dysphoria is quite small. Some of the people getting sex reassignment surgery are undoubtedly confused individual.

And no, although in the normal course of development there are basically two sexes, there are legitimate intermediate states. There are people with a variety of chromosomal crossover states, not just XX or XY but XXYY or XYY or X with a damaged half-Y.

Even so, despite the existence of real intermediate genders, I will agree with you that the majority of cases are not biological but mental in origin.

Still, so what? You think public humiliation is the answer? You think a dishonourable discharge for soldier who has served well is justified, just because he or she has gender dysphoria?

No matter what the problem, public humiliation is not likely a good answer. Trump is a scumbag, playing to a very vulgar element among his followers. Compassion is almost always a better treatment than humiliation.[/quote]

I agree that

Compassion is almost always a better treatment than humiliation

in most cases, but the "Biden" and Liberal approach went TOO FAR and endorsed what was mostly MENTAL, and NOT ACTUAL, sex dysphoria. You basically admitted, Duk, that this is mostly MENTAL, and not in just with the negative connotations of "mental". Most of those CLAIMING sexual dysphoria believe it without any real biological basis; they are mostly ALL confused persons. That is what I mean here with the term "mental" in this discussion. And since it is a mental, and not biological issue, it approaches mental as mentally OFF.

[Pack Rat]

Why are Republicans protecting pedophiles?

Release the Epstein Files!