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sheepofdumb wrote:I'm not scum, just a threat to the town. There's a difference, thank you very much.
ga7 wrote: I'll keep my vote where it should be but just in case Vote Strike Wolf AND f*ck FLAMINGOS f*ck THEM HARD
dustn64 wrote:WalrusesRN wrote:Right, I am aware that you have to be dead to go there. The argument I'm making is that, since Christianity is not true, it was invented by man, and that this is simply a loop that was invented to keep the faithful faithful without ever having to have any real proof. You cannot explain to me how there cannot be evil in heaven or how there cannot be good in hell or give me any reason for it, because no one with whom I can talk has ever been there.
You state that it is not true right there; there is no scientific proof that either is true.
Jehan wrote:interesting thought, walrus, are you suggesting that Christianity is a giant conspiracy and if so who does it lead to?
sheepofdumb wrote:I'm not scum, just a threat to the town. There's a difference, thank you very much.
ga7 wrote: I'll keep my vote where it should be but just in case Vote Strike Wolf AND f*ck FLAMINGOS f*ck THEM HARD
please elaborate and cite examplesWalrusesRN wrote:Jehan wrote:interesting thought, walrus, are you suggesting that Christianity is a giant conspiracy and if so who does it lead to?
I am not suggesting that it is a conspiracy, merely a fallacy that has been widely accepted as truth do to the loophole that it can't be disproven. People overlook the glaring truths that man, not God, wrote the bible, and that it reflects man's beliefs, such as women and other races being inferior.
The Weird One wrote:and that , if it is true (I will say neither one way or the other) what goes in the bible was decided by the victors of a power struggle that erupted between two sects of christianity after the fall of the roman empire.
WalrusesRN wrote:Jehan wrote:interesting thought, walrus, are you suggesting that Christianity is a giant conspiracy and if so who does it lead to?
I am not suggesting that it is a conspiracy, merely a fallacy that has been widely accepted as truth do to the loophole that it can't be disproven. People overlook the glaring truths that man, not God, wrote the bible, and that it reflects man's beliefs, such as women and other races being inferior.
magneticgoop wrote:please elaborate and cite examplesWalrusesRN wrote:Jehan wrote:interesting thought, walrus, are you suggesting that Christianity is a giant conspiracy and if so who does it lead to?
I am not suggesting that it is a conspiracy, merely a fallacy that has been widely accepted as truth do to the loophole that it can't be disproven. People overlook the glaring truths that man, not God, wrote the bible, and that it reflects man's beliefs, such as women and other races being inferior.
magneticgoop wrote:The Weird One wrote:and that , if it is true (I will say neither one way or the other) what goes in the bible was decided by the victors of a power struggle that erupted between two sects of christianity after the fall of the roman empire.
oh please that is from the da vinci codebtw i read the book it was good but totally inaccurate biblically and historically
sheepofdumb wrote:I'm not scum, just a threat to the town. There's a difference, thank you very much.
ga7 wrote: I'll keep my vote where it should be but just in case Vote Strike Wolf AND f*ck FLAMINGOS f*ck THEM HARD
Norse wrote:Christianity is an evil faith, and to be fair so is Islam and Judaism.
You guys should seriously learn to chill the f*ck out and lighten up a bit.
I'm going for a wank.
Norse wrote:I'm not particularly interested in what you have to say about anything, since Christians are extremely annoying and have a tendancy of twisting a logical debate into a profound, god-bothering mission statement.
Norse wrote:I'm suprised that you are so vehemently against masturbation, you seem like a 'grade A' wanker to me.
Jehan wrote:WalrusesRN wrote:Jehan wrote:interesting thought, walrus, are you suggesting that Christianity is a giant conspiracy and if so who does it lead to?
I am not suggesting that it is a conspiracy, merely a fallacy that has been widely accepted as truth do to the loophole that it can't be disproven. People overlook the glaring truths that man, not God, wrote the bible, and that it reflects man's beliefs, such as women and other races being inferior.
hmm,I think you should look at that statement. I think you underestimate people, your right that no one can prove or disprove the bible's divine inspiration, yet many have still found truth in its words and have chosen to believe, i guess my point is that people don't just follow things for no reason, it is true that many Christians are Christians because of the family they were brought up in, but there are equally many people who have chosen Christianity as adults, because that is where they found their Saviour. If you can believe that so many have been fooled or have fooled themselves then you must have a low opinion of the intelligence and free will of the human race, of which you yourself are a part. If these truths are so glaring how can those who have found them later turn to Christ? you should also examine your own hostility to the Bible and ask yourself why you find it so reprehensible, i have my belief but i would really like to hear yours.
WalrusesRN wrote:Jesus of Nazareth returns a slave to his owner. 1 Timothy 2:12, "But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet."
magneticgoop wrote:WalrusesRN wrote:Jesus of Nazareth returns a slave to his owner. 1 Timothy 2:12, "But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet."
this is referring to women preaching in the church. this is not because women are inferior to men they just have different roles. men were created to govern the family and church but they are not superior. the reason why is because the man is responsible to God for the church and family, and if the woman over steps her bounds the man is responsible to God. also the man is required to listen, love and care for their wives and if they abuse their power they are also accountable
WalrusesRN wrote: I also find it hard to believe that people who were good would be banished to hell for simply not believing in God, who, supoosedly, created them and the way they think in the first place.
magneticgoop wrote:WalrusesRN wrote: I also find it hard to believe that people who were good would be banished to hell for simply not believing in God, who, supoosedly, created them and the way they think in the first place.
Romans 3:24
24 Yet God, with undeserved kindness, declares that we are righteous. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins. 25 For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past, 26 for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he declares sinners to be right in his sight when they believe in Jesus.
God does not send us to hell, we do. He did everything to get us to heaven but the only thing is that we must believe what he did for us.
WalrusesRN wrote:magneticgoop wrote:WalrusesRN wrote:Jesus of Nazareth returns a slave to his owner. 1 Timothy 2:12, "But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet."
this is referring to women preaching in the church. this is not because women are inferior to men they just have different roles. men were created to govern the family and church but they are not superior. the reason why is because the man is responsible to God for the church and family, and if the woman over steps her bounds the man is responsible to God. also the man is required to listen, love and care for their wives and if they abuse their power they are also accountable
Are you frickin' serious? Do you really believe that women should not have the same opportunities as a man? Why should men govern the family and church? These are outdated things that MEN made up when they wrote the bible. Why should a man be responisible to God for a woman "overstepping her bounds"? Blaming one person for another's misdeeds is wrong, (not to mention anything about killing first-born sons). I would not expect someone to seriously accept what you said. Look at it! At best you are arguing that women have DIFFERENT ROLES! Are you saying that women have "separate but equal" opportunities. Oh, come on!
WalrusesRN wrote: You follow Christianity or you go to hell
The Weird One wrote:magneticgoop wrote:The Weird One wrote:and that , if it is true (I will say neither one way or the other) what goes in the bible was decided by the victors of a power struggle that erupted between two sects of christianity after the fall of the roman empire.
oh please that is from the da vinci codebtw i read the book it was good but totally inaccurate biblically and historically
BULL SHIT
I got that from multiple sources, one, a history channel documentary
two: a New York Times Up Front [a magazine distributed by the new york times] article
magneticgoop wrote:WalrusesRN wrote: You follow Christianity or you go to hell
basically. he did the hard part all you have to do is believe. he could force you but he wants you to make that decision on your own
magneticgoop wrote:no women and men have different but equal roles. the man and woman have almost the same role but the man is accountable to God. an example would be if a lieutenant was being commanded by a sargent the lieutenant is answerable to a court marshal is anything goes wrong, even though the sargent was the one who made the decisions. but the man is equal to the woman. the woman can do anything a man can do except head the household or church.
whaer did you get killing first born from?
Neutrino wrote:magneticgoop wrote:WalrusesRN wrote: You follow Christianity or you go to hell
basically. he did the hard part all you have to do is believe. he could force you but he wants you to make that decision on your own
So life is like Russian Roulette: Make the right choice on 0% information or burn in hell forever.![]()
All religions offer approxomatly the same amount of proof for their own correctness. Most have a holy book, maybe a prophet or two, but none offer any more information for their own truthfulness than the opposition. If it is true that God actually does want us to live in heaven forever (but is compelled by circumstances beyond his control to turn the entire thing into a game of chance) then why does he permit the existince of other religions? Billions upon billions of people will supposedly burn in hell forever because they chose a different religion.
And what of the Aztecs and such who lived and died for thousands of years without hearing 'the word of god'? Are they all doomed to burn in hell because they were burn at the wrong place and the wrong time?
magneticgoop wrote:God gave us freedom to govern ourselves he lets us do what we want and believe what we want but we must pay the penalty. if the penalty is heaven or hell it was that persons choice of religion. as for aztecs and such their ancestors chose to turn from judaism and they are accountable to all of those lives in hell. unfortunately that is the price we pay for free will
magneticgoop wrote:WalrusesRN wrote:magneticgoop wrote:WalrusesRN wrote:Jesus of Nazareth returns a slave to his owner. 1 Timothy 2:12, "But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet."
this is referring to women preaching in the church. this is not because women are inferior to men they just have different roles. men were created to govern the family and church but they are not superior. the reason why is because the man is responsible to God for the church and family, and if the woman over steps her bounds the man is responsible to God. also the man is required to listen, love and care for their wives and if they abuse their power they are also accountable
Are you frickin' serious? Do you really believe that women should not have the same opportunities as a man? Why should men govern the family and church? These are outdated things that MEN made up when they wrote the bible. Why should a man be responisible to God for a woman "overstepping her bounds"? Blaming one person for another's misdeeds is wrong, (not to mention anything about killing first-born sons). I would not expect someone to seriously accept what you said. Look at it! At best you are arguing that women have DIFFERENT ROLES! Are you saying that women have "separate but equal" opportunities. Oh, come on!
no women and men have different but equal roles. the man and woman have almost the same role but the man is accountable to God. an example would be if a lieutenant was being commanded by a sargent the lieutenant is answerable to a court marshal is anything goes wrong, even though the sargent was the one who made the decisions. but the man is equal to the woman. the woman can do anything a man can do except head the household or church.
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whaer did you get killing first born from?
Neutrino wrote:magneticgoop wrote:no women and men have different but equal roles. the man and woman have almost the same role but the man is accountable to God. an example would be if a lieutenant was being commanded by a sargent the lieutenant is answerable to a court marshal is anything goes wrong, even though the sargent was the one who made the decisions. but the man is equal to the woman. the woman can do anything a man can do except head the household or church.
whaer did you get killing first born from?
I would have assumed that you would avoid using an example that uilizes military ranks, because they are designed on the very fact that some are superior to others![]()
One is a Sergeant and the other a Lieutenant and they are equal? Ssssuuuurrrreeeee![]()
What is wrong with a woman heading a household or church? What about these two things makes them man-only jobs?
Anyway, if a man can do anything and a woman can do anything-2, it makes it rather difficult to call them equal
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