Formerly the Map Ideas Thread, now CLOSED

Telvannia · Post by **Telvannia** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:08 pm

gimil wrote:what is that?

spaceshipy thing, Coleman wanted one with blades things on, so i obliged

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:11 pm

on my monitor it looks like a black shape thats pixalated . . .sorry

Telvannia · Post by **Telvannia** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:16 pm

gimil wrote:on my monitor it looks like a black shape thats pixalated . . .sorry

it is alright, i admit it is very dark, could do with lightening up, but that can be done later.

by the way any sort of alien you particularly want to see?
i can see if i can make a spaceship for them if you describe in a detailed way.

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:23 pm

Im not fussed about anything lol. But here the scale you have to work with at the moment.

Since this is colemans project ill be deleting this image once you see it tel

***image deleted***

Telvannia · Post by **Telvannia** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:33 pm

seen it.

i will begin to make moons and things to fit that scale.

Is that a copyrighted background?
(the nightsky over london)

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:36 pm

anybody could of took that image.

it could of been me

we'll deal with it later its just to get the feel of the map

hatterson · Post by **hatterson** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:57 pm

I still think this map has potential and would like to see more discussion

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:08 pm

the moons need to be made much smoother like the planet.

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:33 pm

holy crap. 4 more pages to read. grrrr.

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:52 pm

k done reading.

i really like the idea and it's somewhat similar to the trilogy me and gimil are working on.

here are my thoughts.

so 1 planet 6 space stations 6 races.

i'm gonna go ahead here and suggest some things i'm also planning for the trilogy. 6 races = 6 different powers. some can have higher bonus some can bombard some can teleport others cause attrition, etc. i'm sure each race could have a unique xml feature. make the map mission based. goal is to take 2 other ships (to form a triangle) and the middle terit which can be the place of an alien artifact. the artifact will be neutral and will have autodeploying armies on it. so it starts with 3 and adds 2 neutrals each turn (not yet possible but hopefully lack will introduce this feature).

i'd like the map planet to have "dig sites" that provide constant bonus, and perhaps "lesser artifacts" that provide one time bonuses (not yet possible but already suggested by me). each space station also has 2 fleets (to add some space wars). on the planet there are also portals that can connect to wormholes in space (for lots of movement options).

i'll post more thoughts when i'm less tired

PS: i can help with graphics both 2D and 3D. i'd actually prefer to do some more 3D modeling as i haven't done that in a while. (since life in prison map).

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:20 pm

DiM wrote:k done reading.

If you read my whole Corporation thing I'm impressed.

DiM wrote:I'm gonna go ahead here and suggest some things i'm also planning for the trilogy. 6 races = 6 different powers. some can have higher bonus some can bombard some can teleport others cause attrition, etc. i'm sure each race could have a unique xml feature.

I was already planning on this a bit, my only concern here is the legend. I know my work with mibi suggests otherwise, but I don't like giant legends. Still, I'm going to do whatever game play ideas seem the most interesting and feasible to me, so I may do it anyway. One idea in mind was one was going to have a shield made up of 10 (or some other number) neutrals on their ship/station.

DiM wrote:make the map mission based. goal is to take 2 other ships (to form a triangle) and the middle terit which can be the place of an alien artifact. the artifact will be neutral and will have autodeploying armies on it. so it starts with 3 and adds 2 neutrals each turn (not yet possible but hopefully lack will introduce this feature).

That would be interesting. I thought about a center artifact before, may still happen. The mission we had in mind now was either taking the whole planet or taking everyone's stations. Yours is an interesting possibility too however. We'll see what looks like the right idea.

DiM wrote:i'd like the map planet to have "dig sites" that provide constant bonus, and perhaps "lesser artifacts" that provide one time bonuses (not yet possible but already suggested by me). each space station also has 2 fleets (to add some space wars). on the planet there are also portals that can connect to wormholes in space (for lots of movement options).

That's a lot of stuff. I'm not sure about the fleets, maybe. Same with all that stuff, all maybes for me right now.

DiM wrote:PS: i can help with graphics both 2D and 3D. i'd actually prefer to do some more 3D modeling as i haven't done that in a while. (since life in prison map).

What ever happened to that map? I wouldn't mind some more station/ship/fleet graphics. That's what we are doing right now anyway, each race has its own way of getting there and receiving their reinforcements so it isn't all stations although the general idea is the same.

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:24 pm

Coleman wrote:
DiM wrote:PS: i can help with graphics both 2D and 3D. i'd actually prefer to do some more 3D modeling as i haven't done that in a while. (since life in prison map).
What ever happened to that map? I wouldn't mind some more station/ship/fleet graphics. That's what we are doing right now anyway, each race has its own way of getting there and receiving their reinforcements so it isn't all stations although the general idea is the same.

k then i'll work on something as soon as i have some spare time.

and life in prison just like the 300 terit map or the freaks unleashed and evolver (the last 2 not yet presented to the public) are on vacation because i lack xml features. no point in working on them if they can't be done with the current xml

Drunk_Idiot · Post by **Drunk_Idiot** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:59 am

Sports Teams or Stadiums

What about a map of like the NFL Stadiums...you could break in up into divisions like the NFL each division is worth 3 or 4 bonus..You could also do one for baseball and basketball even hockey

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:27 am

You know, all I really want is one planet that looks similar to earth. Mountains, rivers, valleys, oceans, deserts, ect.

KEYOGI · Post by **KEYOGI** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:39 am

Guys, if you want to share your images with Coleman, do it via PM. All it's doing in the meantime is cluttering up the thread.

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:45 am

KEYOGI wrote:Guys, if you want to share your images with Coleman, do it via PM. All it's doing in the meantime is cluttering up the thread.

Yeah, then I'll just have to post it myself so everyone can see them or mass pm the people that have been talking.

Molacole · Post by **Molacole** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:11 am

yeah no sharing map ideas in the map ideas forum....

what in the hell are you guys thinking! heh

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:37 am

Katarians (Cat-are-e-ins)

(My expected reader base is human so I will be replacing Katarian terms with human ones for ease of understanding. For example, when I use the word year I am referring to a human year. The Katarian year is roughly 57 earth days shorter, although their days are longer by a few hours.)

Before starting the history of the Katarian race as it is today it is important to help you understand what a Katarian is. Katarians are what humans would classify as reptile/mammal hybrids. They have live birth and breast feeding like mammals, but their skin is reptilian in nature. They would be considered warm blooded but they are capable of taking over their blood temperature by thinking about it much they way a human can regulate their breathing even though it is a normally automatic process.

The typical Katarian has a similar bone structure to a human and tends to stand on two legs as humans do. Although when they are younger they assume a stance similar to Gorillas, which as adults they also assume when they run. Their claws help them dig into the ground as they run for extra traction and speed, and are strong enough to help them climb up most surfaces without losing much speed. They live about 80 to 120 years.

What makes the Katarian very different from humans are their blades and claws. Katarians have blades in several places on their body that they can send out and retract back into them selves from slits in their skin. The typical Katarian male has 10 blades, 2 wrist blades, 2 scapula (shoulder) blades, 2 femur blades, 2 fibula blades, and 2 arm blades just above their wrist blades. The male blades are sickle shaped and go out about 2 to 3 inches from their bodies; their other dimensions depend on the blade in question. The female has only 4 blades, 2 on where the human radius bones would be that go out through their wrists above the hand, and 2 that rest over their femurs they can send out through their knees. These blades are about twice or sometimes 3 times as long as the male blades and are sword shaped.

Katarian history is sketchy as they didn't feel the need to record it until their feudal stage, and that was mostly blood lines and not what was happening in their world. It is believed that after a tribal stage they formed blood clans that fought with each other for over a hundred thousand years. During this course of time the Katarian male was considered lower class and not permitted to fight, and stayed home with few rights. Females were considered more effective due to their increased attack range and agility.

About 1000 years before the end of their feudal era in what was considered a renascence stage, more history was beginning to be recorded. It is said a Katarian male known as Gyrigo (Jie-re-go) appeared, the son of one of the greatest Katarian soldiers of the era. Gyrigo fled home and the life as a farmer and gatherer to train on his own to fight. Discovered by the royalty of his region they intended to put him to death in the arena to be made an example of. Gyrigo displayed unheard of speed and strength in the arena nearly killing his single female combatant, their current captain of the guard, although she managed to defeat him in the end.

Instead of killing him their Matriarch decided to use him as a shock troop in guerilla warfare. Most males were frail, he was strong and frightening in appearance, but still being male their enemies wouldn't expect him to be a good fighter, or a fighter at all. He served under the very captain he fought in the arena and led his nation to complete victory over their rivals. His precedent introduced the males as possible soldiers and soon it was acceptable and many followed in his footsteps.

Although the infighting never stopped, the introduction of males into warfare also was the introduction to women scientists and more women in non-combatant roles. Technology began to advance. Eventually the Katarians achieved space flight and related technologies. They discovered a way to teleport over short distances and equipped their ships with the ability to allow deep space travel by repeatedly teleporting. This was mostly done for exploration purposes only.

Disaster struck about 400 years ago. Another alien race referred to as The Plague by most sentient alien races discovered the Katarian home world and quickly assimilated it. The only Katarians left alive were those with fleets away from the planet, and they fled in all directions. This situation forced the Katarians to come together as a race and stop fighting each other. It was on this day that Katarians began to refer to themselves as such, named after their lost planet Kataria, so they never forget the tragedy and the joys of having a world to their own.

The Katarian race as it exists today is a rag tag collection of these escaped space fleets. Usually only comprised of a few ships (3 to 4), the largest current fleet, controlled by Admiral Andomodoas (An-dom-o-doe-iss) has 11 ships and there are about 70 recorded fleets, although the exact number is not known to outsiders.

These fleets meet together once every 50 years for the great gathering. During this time the fleets intermingle and share their discoveries with each other, as well as their sons and daughters.

In addition there is a census and any fleets lost since that last gathering are mourned for These gatherings also include discussion concerning possible locations for a new home planet, but to this day they have never agreed on a location, and many prefer this new kind of lifestyle.

One of these fleets is currently under the command of Alderian (Al-dare-e-an) who has 4 ships. Alderian can trace his blood back to Gyrigo and considers himself the greatest warrior of his whole race. It has been 30 Katarian years since the last gathering to this day. Alderian's Fleet stumbled across a new potential home world without really setting out to do so. The people of Alderian's Fleet viewed this discovery and that date on which it happened, the 30th anniversary of the last gathering, as a sign.

Alderian himself noticed a few other races in position around the planet, but his fleet, being one of the most fanatical about finding a new home world could not be held back from this opportunity. Alderian decided to succumb to the wills of his people despite the risk and prepared some exploration teams into the planet, which his people were already referring to as New Kataria.

Afterward
Sorry, no pictures this time. This race and the Corporation are the only ones I insist on being in the game. I was hoping to do the stories for all of them but DiM has already finished very impressive stations himself and seems to have some race story plans. So I'll respect the work he's done and wait to see what he has going on.

These guys need a fleet of one large ship and 3 smaller ones for their starting territory. The corporation needs a human looking station still. If you want to be funny I don't mind if it has McDonalds or other huge corporation stuff on it.

jako · Post by **jako** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:35 pm

great idea coleman, at first i was thinking sorta along the lines of the current space map, where it would a solar system of planets with stations connecting, but this new idea off one planet seems interesting as well. loving the pics of planets and DiM's totally wicked space stations.

keep it up guys, this is map will definitely get more interesting if u keep on this track.

ps coleman, i love ur race histories. ever thought about a career in sci-fi fantasy?

snufkin · Post by **snufkin** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:03 pm

I think you should add Shell, BP, Toyota or something to the corporation ship so that the humans aren´t all-American.

Largest corps 2007:

1 Wal-Mart Stores 351,139.0 11,284.0
2 Exxon Mobil 347,254.0 39,500.0
3 Royal Dutch Shell 318,845.0 25,442.0
4 BP 274,316.0 22,000.0
5 General Motors 207,349.0 -1,978.0
6 Toyota Motor 204,746.4 14,055.8

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:08 pm

jako wrote:ps coleman, i love ur race histories. ever thought about a career in sci-fi fantasy?

Not sure if you are serious or not, but I'm a writer in my spare time. Although I don't take myself very seriously or act like anything will ever get published. For instance I write something called Jake vs Jack, which is essentially a constant battle between famous good and evil characters and my few original characters Jacob Florance "the Dreamer" (good guy) and Jackson Lee "the Shifter" (bad guy) as well as some others. It will never get published because I break nearly every copyright ever created, but its fun to write anyway. I do a television anime script style with it and I'm up to Season 3. (about 22 episodes per season).

Now that I'm done trying to hijack my own topic. I am really looking forward to what DiM has going with his space stations. I hope he's not upset if we don't use all of them.

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:10 pm

snufkin wrote:I think you should add Shell, BP, Toyota or something to the corporation ship so that the humans aren´t all-American.

Well, I appreciate that idea. I used that picture (which I didn't make) to kind of outline the history I made up. That is an old style American NASA space shuttle that is intended in the story to be a historical reference to when it went to corporate funding, so that's why it is covered in American products.

If we do something funny with the space station I am 100% for having those logos or others on it. It would fall under parody material so we should be alright copyright wise if we do.

snufkin · Post by **snufkin** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:18 pm

..as long as logo´s have "web resolution", using them is under the "fair use" and should be ok.

the toyota logo almost look like a klingon ship

jako · Post by **jako** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:32 pm

lets get some Petro-canada in there as well, i want a little canadian touch to this

ps yes i love canada, and yes im canadian

tim02 · Post by **tim02** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:34 pm

I think it should be like the pirates map, there (or in this case at least) is something like a lazer in the middle to destroy the space stations and there should be native alien camps you can hold for rienforcements
that way it's not complete luck, also I think the stations should be able to bombard places in a certian section