Super Mario Mafia - TOWN WIN!

[willis]

LSU one question before I go. You said you switched random people last night, but were against switching random people the first night. Why the change in tactics?

You mean kwan right?

I can back up ga7's statement about LSU trying to recruit exile, because LSU recruited me(fircoal) the night before, which is why I voted exile already.

[kwanton]

LSU one question before I go. You said you switched random people last night, but were against switching random people the first night. Why the change in tactics?

I'm assuming you meant me. Well like I said I almost never use a power night one. Unless it's an investigative role or something that can't screw anyone else up. Night one especially I just didn't want to take the chance of making a bad switch since I had next to no information. After night one, I saw that 2 town had been killed so I decided to take action. Pretty much the same with the next night. There's no point in having a power if you don't use it. Night one, I decided that there was a higher chance of screwing up town than screwing up mafia, but the other nights I just said "I'll go for it."

[Serbia]

Wow. Well I have to say I'm not all that keen on exile or kwanton right now. But ga7 put up a real strong arguement, and I tend to believe him. I'm going to gamble that ga7 is right, and VOTE: Exile. You'd better be right on though ga7.

[Koesen]

OK I've verified with the scum wiki site that a rec. mason will die if recruiting scum.

LSU's theory + the quote above + Exile's avoidance of the question of whether he saw Kwanton kill Freezie or just visit him + Exile's bailing out to play freaking Warcraft make me

Vote Exile

Come back with a better story and I'll unvote. But don't pretend you're absolutely sure when in fact it looks like you couldn't be, set up a bandwagon and then leave to play other games so you don't have to answer difficult questions.

[The1exile]

I, unfortunately, can't claim to being responsible for saving anybody.

This is all very confusing, but I find myself leaning more towards voting Exile, on the basis of LSU's theory. LSU, when he isn't scum, is often pretty accurate with his suspicions.

It isn't much more than a hunch, since both roleclaims basically cancel each other out. Exile's announcement that he's off to play Warcraft doesn't make him look better. Work, family business etc. I understand, but Warcraft means you're not really interested in what's going on.

fos Exile

Would you prefer me to say that I'm off to roam the styreets in the dark?

Ask your questions and I'll answer them, but it looks like it's either me or kwanton, and I've said my piece.

[Koesen]

fastposted by Serbia

Get your ass in here, Exile.

[Koesen]

Oh, and fastposted by Exile

You don't have to go and roam the streets, but the way you went off looks suspicious to me. I asked my question already.

For now, since you're at -1, I think:

unvote

I'll give it a little more thought.

[The1exile]

fastposted by Serbia

Get your ass in here, Exile.

being fastposted your theme of the day?

[kwanton]

Would you prefer me to say that I'm off to roam the styreets in the dark?

Ask your questions and I'll answer them, but it looks like it's either me or kwanton, and I've said my piece.

I think his point was that you left for an umimportant reason. But no one was forcing you to stay. If you wanted to leave to play a game that's your choice. I'm just saying that instead of making it look like you were running away, you should have stayed like I did.

i agree that we both have made our points. There's really nothing else either of us can say and I am comfortable leaving this up to everyone's judgment.

[The1exile]

I also don't see why LSU trying to recruit me and dying necessarily means I'm scum. He's a good player anyway, you would expect him to be killed about now anyway.

[Koesen]

That and occasionally fastposting people myself

So what did it say: Kwanton killed Freezie or Kwanton visited Freezie? Or something else?

[ga7]

Guys, what did we say about voting?
You know, I start to think Exile's the good guy more and more looking at this. Don't hammer him town.

[The1exile]

I think his point was that you left for an umimportant reason. But no one was forcing you to stay. If you wanted to leave to play a game that's your choice. I'm just saying that instead of making it look like you were running away, you should have stayed like I did.

Sorry. i'm not trying to run away, but I spent the better part of half an hour looking for that damn disk, so rather than being accused of vanishing, I thought I'd tell everyone I wouldn't be looking at the forums for a while. Me = lazy

[The1exile]

That and occasionally fastposting people myself

So what did it say: Kwanton killed Freezie or Kwanton visited Freezie? Or something else?

Visited. but I'm also sure he's scum (the fact that he claimed the same name as me convinces me entirely, though I don't expect the rest of the town to take that at face value).

[Koesen]

I also don't see why LSU trying to recruit me and dying necessarily means I'm scum.

OK I've verified with the scum wiki site that a rec. mason will die if recruiting scum.

It isn't 100% watertight evidence, but it is something that we have a good reason to take into consideration.

[wicked]

That and occasionally fastposting people myself

So what did it say: Kwanton killed Freezie or Kwanton visited Freezie? Or something else?

Visited. but I'm also sure he's scum (the fact that he claimed the same name as me convinces me entirely, though I don't expect the rest of the town to take that at face value).

BUt you said Kwan killed freezie. At the time he had not claimed a name yet. You saw Kwan visit LSU, you said that alone meant he killed LSU. You didn't take into account Kwan could've been visiting for a number of different reasons.

Wait just had a thought, brb...

[The1exile]

I did. I'd convinced myself, running through the options, that he would not have visited freezie (and freezie would not have died) if he hadn't been scum.

Later developments just convinced me further that I was, and am, right.

[wicked]

OK let's relive night two based on claims...


Kwanton: switched LSU & Freezie
Exile: tracked kwan
Freezie died.

The big question here is this, and Nag, some mods will answer this question, some won't, it's up to you if you answer part, whole or none. In your games, does a bus driver "visit" both people he switches?

If Nag doesn't answer, does anyone else know?

[Koesen]

I was a bus driver in Batman mafia, trading places myself with the people I targetted. In that game, the day scenes said I was seen talking to them, so I guess that suggests a visit.

For whatever it's worth... That was modded by Talapus, by the way.

[Koesen]

I obviously don't know for sure how Nagerous does it, but that's what Talapus did.

[Koesen]

Oops, sorry. I see your question was if he visits both people. That, I don't know.

[ga7]

That's a good question. It depends a lot on the mod on this one I think though, cause if he tells the tracker two people were visited it'd identify instantly as bus driver the target. So, not sure if it's that relevant

[wicked]

OK so I guess a better question for Nag is this.... how would you handle a tracker following a bus driver? Would you show one visit or two?

[Koesen]

I hadn't thought of that, but it would be a reason for me to make a bus driver visit only one person, if I modded.

Can't read Nag's mind though

[ga7]

Denounce err... sorry, I saw red for a moment