Why are christians so annoying?

[CrazyAnglican]

*watches intensely as a brawl might be about to occure*

Yep, I'm just waiting for someone to say "Here, hold my beer"

No beer, but, you wanna hold my Pepsi?

Sure, knock yourself out. Doh! I mean break a leg. No um good luck? Happy debating.

[muy_thaiguy]

*watches intensely as a brawl might be about to occure*

Yep, I'm just waiting for someone to say "Here, hold my beer"

No beer, but, you wanna hold my Pepsi?

Sure knock yourself out.

I'll try. **heads over to the nearest wall**

[Fircoal]

All religion is annoying. nothing but problems.

Now THAT is quite a generalization there.

a very truth one though.

But would you care to explain it though?

Ok, religion has caused fights, and many wars. People always fight over religion and just hold it too close to them. And look at the amount of debates there has been on CC about it. It just seems like a long boring subject that brings people apart. Also it's a waste of time. I don't need religion to tell me about what's right and wrong, and how I "might" die.

[muy_thaiguy]

All religion is annoying. nothing but problems.

Now THAT is quite a generalization there.

a very truth one though.

But would you care to explain it though?

Ok, 1) religion has caused fights, and many wars. People always fight over religion and just hold it too close to them. And 2) look at the amount of debates there has been on CC about it. It just seems like a long boring subject that brings people apart. Also it's a waste of time. I don't need religion to tell me about what's right and wrong, and 3) how I "might" die.

1. Religion has not been the cause for most wars, actually, very few in comparison with other thngs (racial supierority for example,) not to mention money, power, and culture.
2. What is wrong with debates? All they do is inform people on what some people's stance on certain issues are and why they believe them.
3. Nothing I have seen says how someone might die, it tells you that if you lead a life without being a good person, at the worst, you get sent to hell, at the best, Heaven (if you repent).

You have made some sweeping generalizations, which makes me think you haven't read much of thread.

[MR. Nate]

Ok, religion has caused fights, and many wars. People always fight over religion and just hold it too close to them. And look at the amount of debates there has been on CC about it. It just seems like a long boring subject that brings people apart. Also it's a waste of time. I don't need religion to tell me about what's right and wrong, and how I "might" die.

So you're arguing that we should stop caring about any potential afterlife and start following your path to peace?

Sounds like your 3/4 of the way into forming your own religion.

Good luck with that.

[CrazyAnglican]

Also it's a waste of time. I don't need religion to tell me about what's right and wrong, and how I "might" die.

So, were you born with this knowledge or did someone teach it to you?

And yeah, the motivations for most wars can be summed up as "You got it, we want it, and we think were big enough to take it"

[daddy1gringo]

Religion has not been the cause for most wars, actually, very few in comparison with other thngs (racial supierority for example,) not to mention money, power, and culture.

That's not to say that religion hasn't been an excuse or a smokescreen for a lot of them, But there's a difference between that and it being the actual cause.

[Fircoal]

Ok, religion has caused fights, and many wars. People always fight over religion and just hold it too close to them. And look at the amount of debates there has been on CC about it. It just seems like a long boring subject that brings people apart. Also it's a waste of time. I don't need religion to tell me about what's right and wrong, and how I "might" die.

So you're arguing that we should stop caring about any potential afterlife and start following your path to peace?

Sounds like your 3/4 of the way into forming your own religion.

Good luck with that.

no, I'm saying no one will know what will happen when we die, and it's not something to worry about. It's going happen.

[Fircoal]

All religion is annoying. nothing but problems.

Now THAT is quite a generalization there.

a very truth one though.

But would you care to explain it though?

Ok, 1) religion has caused fights, and many wars. People always fight over religion and just hold it too close to them. And 2) look at the amount of debates there has been on CC about it. It just seems like a long boring subject that brings people apart. Also it's a waste of time. I don't need religion to tell me about what's right and wrong, and 3) how I "might" die.

1. Religion has not been the cause for most wars, actually, very few in comparison with other thngs (racial supierority for example,) not to mention money, power, and culture.
2. What is wrong with debates? All they do is inform people on what some people's stance on certain issues are and why they believe them.
3. Nothing I have seen says how someone might die, it tells you that if you lead a life without being a good person, at the worst, you get sent to hell, at the best, Heaven (if you repent).

You have made some sweeping generalizations, which makes me think you haven't read much of thread.

1. BUT! All of those are needed. Regilion is just an extra and wastes time.
2. Nothing is. Debates are awesome. But when it's between retards that blindly follow their faith and won't change their opinion on their religion if payed 1,000,000 dollars to, is just retarded.
3. yes exactly, who knows if heaven exists? NO ONE! So why try to prove the unprovable?

NO DA, I haven't read the thread. Why do you think I posted on Page 12. You really think I'd read that much.

Also the biggest thing of religion that sucks. IT WASTES TIME!

[muy_thaiguy]

All religion is annoying. nothing but problems.

Now THAT is quite a generalization there.

a very truth one though.

But would you care to explain it though?

Ok, 1) religion has caused fights, and many wars. People always fight over religion and just hold it too close to them. And 2) look at the amount of debates there has been on CC about it. It just seems like a long boring subject that brings people apart. Also it's a waste of time. I don't need religion to tell me about what's right and wrong, and 3) how I "might" die.

1. Religion has not been the cause for most wars, actually, very few in comparison with other thngs (racial supierority for example,) not to mention money, power, and culture.
2. What is wrong with debates? All they do is inform people on what some people's stance on certain issues are and why they believe them.
3. Nothing I have seen says how someone might die, it tells you that if you lead a life without being a good person, at the worst, you get sent to hell, at the best, Heaven (if you repent).

You have made some sweeping generalizations, which makes me think you haven't read much of thread.

1. BUT! All of those are needed. Regilion is just an extra and wastes time.
2. Nothing is. Debates are awesome. But when it's between retards that blindly follow their faith and won't change their opinion on their religion if payed 1,000,000 dollars to, is just retarded.
3. yes exactly, who knows if heaven exists? NO ONE! So why try to prove the unprovable?

NO DA, I haven't read the thread. Why do you think I posted on Page 12. You really think I'd read that much.

Also the biggest thing of religion that sucks. IT WASTES TIME!

1. No, not all of those are needed, and wars have been started that had nothing to do with religion.
2. Why should people change what they believe in just because someone offers alot of money. Money (in my opinion and many other people's that I know) does not make people happy. So, it is retarded to follow ones faith? Even though you seem to be doing just that?
3. I can easily say that about a few things that has to do with science, but I will not.

I do suggest you read at least some of the previous posts so as not to be so ignorant in your posts.

[OnlyAmbrose]

no, I'm saying no one will know what will happen when we die, and it's not something to worry about. It's going happen.

And where, pray, does this presumption come from?

[Fircoal]

All religion is annoying. nothing but problems.

Now THAT is quite a generalization there.

a very truth one though.

But would you care to explain it though?

Ok, 1) religion has caused fights, and many wars. People always fight over religion and just hold it too close to them. And 2) look at the amount of debates there has been on CC about it. It just seems like a long boring subject that brings people apart. Also it's a waste of time. I don't need religion to tell me about what's right and wrong, and 3) how I "might" die.

1. Religion has not been the cause for most wars, actually, very few in comparison with other thngs (racial supierority for example,) not to mention money, power, and culture.
2. What is wrong with debates? All they do is inform people on what some people's stance on certain issues are and why they believe them.
3. Nothing I have seen says how someone might die, it tells you that if you lead a life without being a good person, at the worst, you get sent to hell, at the best, Heaven (if you repent).

You have made some sweeping generalizations, which makes me think you haven't read much of thread.

1. BUT! All of those are needed. Regilion is just an extra and wastes time.
2. Nothing is. Debates are awesome. But when it's between retards that blindly follow their faith and won't change their opinion on their religion if payed 1,000,000 dollars to, is just retarded.
3. yes exactly, who knows if heaven exists? NO ONE! So why try to prove the unprovable?

NO DA, I haven't read the thread. Why do you think I posted on Page 12. You really think I'd read that much.

Also the biggest thing of religion that sucks. IT WASTES TIME!

1. No, not all of those are needed, and wars have been started that had nothing to do with religion.
2. Why should people change what they believe in just because someone offers alot of money. Money (in my opinion and many other people's that I know) does not make people happy. So, it is retarded to follow ones faith? Even though you seem to be doing just that?
3. I can easily say that about a few things that has to do with science, but I will not.

I do suggest you read at least some of the previous posts so as not to be so ignorant in your posts.

dude I'm not being ignorant at all. You seem to be missing my point.
1. Let's see money. How else will we trade things, fairly. There is no other way. With out the money system even more fights would be breaking out. Power, someone is going to be in power. As good as it sounds that everyone can be equal. It's never going to happen. So quests for power and going to happen. Culture, is how someone lives their life. It's just how humans are that they pick on some cultures just because they are different. Unless we had something that could change our DNA, there isn't much of a way to stop it.
2. YOU COMPLETELY MISSED MY POINT! I'll admire that people won't change their views for money. And following faith isn't that dumb, though it is useless. I said Blindly following. Following without any proof at all is dumb. Also debates are meant to inform people on the issue and to be entertaining. Religion debates cancel out the productivity due to the people who are so very stuck up on their topic and won't accept any ideas, that are not of their faith. Not only that but most of the speakers are the ones that blindly follow.
3. Why because you know it's not true? Sure you could say some stuff, but why does it matter.

[Fircoal]

no, I'm saying no one will know what will happen when we die, and it's not something to worry about. It's going happen.

And where, pray, does this presumption come from?

It comes from my experience that's where.

Why should you worry about it? I find myself a lot happier, if I just live life happy, and not worry about death, instead of thinking about what happens once I die. It just makes me feel bad.

[muy_thaiguy]

dude I'm not being ignorant at all. You seem to be missing my point.
1. Let's see money. How else will we trade things, fairly. There is no other way. With out the money system even more fights would be breaking out. Power, someone is going to be in power. As good as it sounds that everyone can be equal. It's never going to happen. So quests for power and going to happen. Culture, is how someone lives their life. It's just how humans are that they pick on some cultures just because they are different. Unless we had something that could change our DNA, there isn't much of a way to stop it.
2. YOU COMPLETELY MISSED MY POINT! I'll admire that people won't change their views for money. And following faith isn't that dumb, though it is useless. I said Blindly following. Following without any proof at all is dumb. Also debates are meant to inform people on the issue and to be entertaining. Religion debates cancel out the productivity due to the people who are so very stuck up on their topic and won't accept any ideas, that are not of their faith. Not only that but most of the speakers are the ones that blindly follow.
3. Why because you know it's not true? Sure you could say some stuff, but why does it matter.

My point for number two was this

2. Nothing is. Debates are awesome. But when it's between retards that blindly follow their faith and won't change their opinion on their religion if payed 1,000,000 dollars to, is just retarded.

In essence, you were calling everyone who stood up for their beliefs here retards, and now you contradict yourself with the above statement. You were NOT stating otherwise.
For the first one, I was simply stating that there were other reasons why wars have started.
And for the 3rd, that would have taken this debate off topic.

[Fircoal]

dude I'm not being ignorant at all. You seem to be missing my point.
1. Let's see money. How else will we trade things, fairly. There is no other way. With out the money system even more fights would be breaking out. Power, someone is going to be in power. As good as it sounds that everyone can be equal. It's never going to happen. So quests for power and going to happen. Culture, is how someone lives their life. It's just how humans are that they pick on some cultures just because they are different. Unless we had something that could change our DNA, there isn't much of a way to stop it.
2. YOU COMPLETELY MISSED MY POINT! I'll admire that people won't change their views for money. And following faith isn't that dumb, though it is useless. I said Blindly following. Following without any proof at all is dumb. Also debates are meant to inform people on the issue and to be entertaining. Religion debates cancel out the productivity due to the people who are so very stuck up on their topic and won't accept any ideas, that are not of their faith. Not only that but most of the speakers are the ones that blindly follow.
3. Why because you know it's not true? Sure you could say some stuff, but why does it matter.

My point for number two was this

2. Nothing is. Debates are awesome. But when it's between retards that blindly follow their faith and won't change their opinion on their religion if payed 1,000,000 dollars to, is just retarded.

In essence, you were calling everyone who stood up for their beliefs here retards, and now you contradict yourself with the above statement. You were NOT stating otherwise.
For the first one, I was simply stating that there were other reasons why wars have started.
And for the 3rd, that would have taken this debate off topic.

meh I said #2 wrong. I didn't mean it that way. -_- I mean some, I don't like stereotyping.

[luns101]

Your puns notwithstanding, Backglass, I'll try to respond to your comments provided I can stop laughing and take a deep breath.

Inst this the purpose of all the aforementioned public displays? To "get the good word out" and save a few souls?

I'm not going to quote everything you wrote because I think this is the crux of what your stance is. These symbols aren't evangelizing anyone. Many times they commemorate something of historical significance or honor someone. Of course, religion is going to be included within that as it's part of our history. On the way to Phoenix I drove past a Muslim crescent symbol on the 10 Freeway. It was meant to honor Hadji "Hi Jolly" Ali. I never felt like I was being preached at. Perhaps this reflects more on atheists' uncomfortableness with the Christian message more than what the symbol is there for in the first place.

This will come across as harsh I am sure but if, as an adult, you honestly in your heart of hearts believe there are gods in the clouds who know our every move, winged angels delivering messages to earthlings, men parting ocean waters and that two of every living creature on the planet were collected and transported on a wooden boat then YES. You have a hard time distinguishing what is reality and what is fantasy. These ancient stories and hundreds more like them are just that. Stories. Good ones intended to teach a particular way of living, but stories nonetheless.

Of course that comes off as harsh and is in fact insulting. If you are as intelligent as I believe, then you would at least consider the fact that a number of Christians have made solid contributions within a variety of disciplines. How were they able to accomplish this since they had not the discernment or mental fortitude to distinguish between the real & unreal? You can't judge someone's mental abilities solely on the criteria of whether they subscribe to your skepticism, come on! Your assertion doesn't hold water.

I don't believe in gods, but rather one true God who has revealed himself through creation, the Bible, and His Son - Jesus Christ. Trust me when I tell you it didn't happen overnight and used to make arguments that are similar to yours. The biggest "proof" I would submit to you is how Christ changed my heart & life. It probably doesn't seem like that from some of my previous posts, but I'm a lot different than before I trusted Christ. I must admit to you that a major factor in my decision to convert was reading the auto-biographies of people who were former skeptics.

If you look at a crack addict and say "I think your an idiot for doing that, but it's your life", are you coming from a position of self righteousness?

Coming to faith in Christ is not doing harm to oneself...unless you come to that position through a presupposed atheistic outlook.

And thats not you Luns. You are more level headed...I know that.

You just wait...the Cubs will blow it once again. We'll see if I can handle it yet again! I'm surprised that this is the one area of my faith that you haven't challenged the most.

[Skittles!]

Okay okay. I wouldn't normally ask a question in a thread like this, but I'm really not bothered to go look for the logic dictates thread.

If Adam and Eve were the first humans on the earth, and their children would have the same gene types and such, then why does so many people have different gene types if we all came from the same two people? Our gene types would be very, very close (closer than they are now) if that were true.

I know it is believed by some Christians that there were other humans after Adam and Eve in different parts in the world, where the sons and daughters went off to start families to not partake in incest.

[Neutrino]

I know it is believed by some Christians that there were other humans after Adam and Eve in different parts in the world, where the sons and daughters went off to start families to not partake in incest.

If there were originally only 2 humans, then the second generation would have to be incestous.

Any children of Adam and Eve would have to impregnate eachother if humanity was to survive.

[Skittles!]

I know it is believed by some Christians that there were other humans after Adam and Eve in different parts in the world, where the sons and daughters went off to start families to not partake in incest.

If there were originally only 2 humans, then the second generation would have to be incestous.

Any children of Adam and Eve would have to impregnate eachother if humanity was to survive.

Oh, I meant that Adam and Eve were the first humans on earth, but then God made some other ones in a different area so we wouldn't be inbred.

[High Guard]

Who wants to help me write a bible? I can do the first chapter if someone does the 2nd, then we can translate and give it to some isolated tribe, if they buy it, then this proves religion is a load of crap.

[Anarchy Ninja]

Who wants to help me write a bible? I can do the first chapter if someone does the 2nd, then we can translate and give it to some isolated tribe, if they buy it, then this proves religion is a load of crap.

And after we have our holy doctorine we need only 10 000 people to follow to be classed as religion

[Skittles!]

Who wants to help me write a bible? I can do the first chapter if someone does the 2nd, then we can translate and give it to some isolated tribe, if they buy it, then this proves religion is a load of crap.

I remember making a Furbie religion.

No one believed except for me. I made a book name and Gospels and everything! A real story too.

You could obviously tell I was bored.

[Neutrino]

I wasn't objecting to people choosing to convert on their own at all. What I was objecting too are the people who, insted of letting people choose their own religion, go out and do a little active recruiting. The "Repent lest ye spend eternity in Hell" type people. I don't care what religion you are, but when you start to push it on me and others, thats when I start objecting.

I don't know what you're referring to when you say 'people who won't let other people choose their own religion'. How is that even possible? Do you know of groups of evangelicals that are going around not permitting people to believe what they want to believe? How does someone perform this miraculous feat? They must indeed be powerful in order to be able to enter the mind of someone else and prevent them from exercising their free will.

Has anyone physically been able to capture you or your friends, force them to attend a church service, and somehow force a conversion out of them? Yeah, it's true that my church teaches about hell being a place of punishment for sin. Anyone who doesn't want to believe that is free to not believe it. Nobody is being forced to believe it. People can always leave if they don't like the message. If someone shares an invitation to accept Christ you can just simply say, "No thanks, I'm not interested".

Although the evangelicals and various other groups of pushy Christians aren't forcing people to choose their religion, they are certainly biasing the choice their way. From the highlighted part of the paragraph above, I would assume you are against biasing anyone's religous choices in any way. Therefore, I would have to say that your choice in religous faction is not the wisest.

Anyway, I would have assumed that vt's vacuum cleaner anology answered your questions.

Just a little addition of mine to this religous debate: god cannot be infinitely just and infinitely compassionate or kind. They are mutally exculsive terms.


Perhaps you jut don't like the message of the Bible. Well, too bad. I don't like the message of other religions but I don't hate them for wanting to share it with me.[/quote]

[mybike_yourface]

Besides, logic dictates that we evolved from apes, and that the universe began with a big bang... so, I would not consider my beliefs as irrational.

Would you believe it? I subscribe to both evolution and the big bang theory. What do you know? Maybe if you took the time to partake in the various debates we have here instead of labeling all Christians as "irrational" you'd know that.

Well, wouldn't that be a contradiction?

I mean, if the world was created by the big bang, then how did god create the earth? And if humans and all other creatures developed autonomously throughout time, then how did god create all of his creatures?

Yes but Norse... what created the Big Bang?

And what created whatever created the Big Bang?

Simple cause and effect logic dictates that everything must have a cause. Only problem with that is eventually you must reach a breach in that cause and effect logic, because ultimately there must be something which never had a cause. Atheists just say they don't know what that breach in logic is - theists say that breach is God. Either way, both parties believe in an irrationality.

If you're actually interested in continuing this, do a search for the Agnostic thread. There's several pages of good stuff in there.

edit- and backglass, I'd invite you to do likewise.

doaism(and it's offshoot zen) teach that logically eveything that's something had to have come from an original nothing.

[Iliad]

Besides, logic dictates that we evolved from apes, and that the universe began with a big bang... so, I would not consider my beliefs as irrational.

Would you believe it? I subscribe to both evolution and the big bang theory. What do you know? Maybe if you took the time to partake in the various debates we have here instead of labeling all Christians as "irrational" you'd know that.

Well, wouldn't that be a contradiction?

I mean, if the world was created by the big bang, then how did god create the earth? And if humans and all other creatures developed autonomously throughout time, then how did god create all of his creatures?

Yes but Norse... what created the Big Bang?

And what created whatever created the Big Bang?

Simple cause and effect logic dictates that everything must have a cause. Only problem with that is eventually you must reach a breach in that cause and effect logic, because ultimately there must be something which never had a cause. Atheists just say they don't know what that breach in logic is - theists say that breach is God. Either way, both parties believe in an irrationality.

If you're actually interested in continuing this, do a search for the Agnostic thread. There's several pages of good stuff in there.

edit- and backglass, I'd invite you to do likewise.

Actually when talking about infinite space and something such as the big bang simple logic is not good. Albert Einstein ignored logic and common sense and look what he found!

By thinking in very broad terms you can't understand it.