New Jedi Order Mafia MOZ & VONG WIN

[Neutrino]

Well I'm probably pinging pretty high on everyone's sumdar right about now but let me try to explain myself here.

Each day sequence I am given insight into what a characters motives are. I am not a fully fledged Jedi but as I am in touch with the force I get insite into the near future. So for my clue today I was told that Han Solo was not the hero that he has been portrayed as and that he was playing both sides in order to recruit for his own side.
Of course this information didn't do me a lot of good since I had no way of knowing who Han Solo was in this game. But then AK claimed Han Solo and I knew I could get rid of what I think is the head of a third group of indepentants.

Anyways with all that said I am going to do what I should have done before
unvote pancake and vote AK

Hmmm, this role claim is a bit off. Firstly, you wern't really in any danger of dying (at the moment). There are a few other equally scummy options so the best thing would have been to stay low then role-claim if necessary.
Secondly, out of 30 possabilities, you managed to get the one which was incredibly useful on day 1. Ssssuuuurrrreeee.

Mandy must be laughing himself silly. Day 1 and already 3 role claims. I think we are all aware of the fact that mass role claiming is good for the scum. Please, no more roleclaiming for today.

[Selin]

On an entirely separate note, after seeing the Duel announcement, now I know why my name got included in the "blatantly stole from" list mandy posted at the beginning.

Based on what I saw while I was modding Sherwood, I suspect it would be to the town's benefit to try to discover the mechanism behind the duel, on one condition - whatever we do, we shouldn't try to out the players involved.

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I remember the mod of Sherewood mafia, who put my name on top of "most suspected" list through his duel mechanism and caused me (an 'unkillable by mafia' townie) lynched by the town after the duel. He even ensured the lynch by posting "he will not assign haiku to the poets" and than giving me the role of writing haikus.

Hmmm... what was his name? I can't remember anymore.

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[moz976]

Well neutrino like I have said I got information on a person that could spread across the town if he was allowed to live so I thought it best to get rid of him as quickly as possible.

If you'll look at my posts I was wary of going ahead and lynching AK until he revealed that he was Han Solo then I was in such a hurry to get rid of him that I forgot to unvote.

I was hoping to get rid of him without having to role claim but with him claiming cop I felt he was going to be misleading the town and that it was in the towns best interest to get rid of him. Thus I came out with what I have.

[Selin]

By the way I'm finally back at home and started reading last two days posts.

And special thanks to Air France because of:
- 3 hours delay on our flight back,
- unfriendly service in the airport,
- not being able to give us 4 seats next to each other, although we had 2 kids 3 and 5 years old !

I usually fly with Turkish Airlines or Lufthansa and that was the first time I tried Air France. And I will never fly them again.

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[Selin]

Wicked is scum. 100% guaranteed.
I know because I used my Jedi mind-powers.

Vote: wicked

Hmmm...

You should be really powerful to read her mind on day 1.



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[wicked]

if anyone would know who had voted and unvoted, it would be IC. hello, his whole big post was a list of votes and he's been harping on mandy about incorrect vote counts. with all the scummy/stupid (you pick which) things he's tried on day 1, I would not put it past him to give one last ditch effort and fake claim. he knew exactly who had voted whom. if he was so sure of his role, he would've claimed hans solo pages before he actually did. my vote stays.

[Selin]

I had a 1 time use investigation which I could use whenever I wanted. I didn't want to use it Day 1, but I wanted to know if I could trust wicked during the game. So after a couple questionable posts, I sent in the request. Mandy confirmed that wicked is scum.

I don't mind claiming now, because I no longer have any power. If the mafia decide to night-kill me now, it'll be no big loss. It is possible wicked has a role similar to a miller, but that's a minority. Either way, my vote ain't changing unless someone can provide better proof that they discovered a mafia.

That's interesting.

I may have fastposted above post. Let's see what comes next.

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[Neutrino]

Well neutrino like I have said I got information on a person that could spread across the town if he was allowed to live so I thought it best to get rid of him as quickly as possible.

If you'll look at my posts I was wary of going ahead and lynching AK until he revealed that he was Han Solo then I was in such a hurry to get rid of him that I forgot to unvote.

I was hoping to get rid of him without having to role claim but with him claiming cop I felt he was going to be misleading the town and that it was in the towns best interest to get rid of him. Thus I came out with what I have.

Ok, I understand this bit now.
What I don't understand is how, out of 30 people, you managed to score Han Solo, shortly before Han Solo reveals himself.

Of course, wierder things have happened.

As you can see from my earlier post, I am in favor of AK's death today. If your claim is true then there is all the more reason to lynch him.

[mandalorian2298]

VOTE COUNT

Moz(3) - jnd, LSU, Freezie
Wicked(1) - Serbia,
Kwanton(1) - XenC
AK Iceman(10) - Wicked, Skittles, Neutrino, Talapus, Nagerus, Kwanton, Firth, Exile, Koesen, Moz
Minister Masket(1) - Tonka,
Life-saver(0) -
Jnd(0) -
Freezie(0)
Fircoal (1) - Life-saver,
Nagerus (0) -
Aegnor (1) - MM
Exile(2) - AK, Skittles
Ga7(0)
LSU(1) - Skoffin
Pancake(0) -
Aimless(0) -
Talapus(0)
Mauntain Lion(0)
Anarkistsdream(1) - Trestain,
Trestain(1) - Nark

It takes 16 votes to lynch.

[Aegnor]

I can't believe I've stayed out of the limelight. This isn't how I play, I want to be the centre of attention!
Anyhoo, here's what I think:

1) wicked claims to be a Jedi. AK also thinks this. I can't fault 2 sides of one argument agreeing. UNVOTE
2) I think AK really did think he was going to be lynched, so he gave his role just for the hell of it. This makes me believe him...for now.
3) In case everyone has forgotten, this is STILL DAY 1. And as such, I feel I'm required to vote for the most random person here.
In this case, it's Aegnor. VOTE AEGNOR
Has he posted at all yet? I can't be bothered to read through all that garbage again.

Skim much? 2 posts above you buddy.

Vote Minister

Eh, random voting I guess

[mandalorian2298]

Vote Count - Current

[list][*] [2] wicked -- (Minister Masket, Serbia)
[*] [1] kwanton -- (XenCobra)
[*] [1] Minister Masket -- (got tonkaed)
[*] [1] Fircoal -- (life-saver)
[*] [1] LSU Tiger Josh -- (Skoffin)
[*] [1] pancakemix -- (moz976)
[*] [15] AK_iceman -- (wicked, freezie, Fircoal, LSU Tiger Josh, Skittles!, Neutrino, Aegnor, Talapus, nagerous, kwanton, ga7, firth4eva, The1exile, Koesen, pancakemix)
[*] [1] The1exile -- (AK_iceman)
[*] [1] trestain -- (Anarkistsdream)

You missed the part where Freezie unvoted you and voted Nark.

Mandy can you elaborate on your role claim rule if you haven't gone to bed already?

Sure. You know how it is usualy not a good thing for a townie to role-claim because they are more likely to get killed? Well, in this game it is 2 times more likely to get you killed. Also, because some people know SW lore better then others, I have made role-claiming completely useless as well as dangerous. (BTW, just because you don't see how role claiming can hurt you, doesn't mean that it won't affect you when your role changes or you get a mission. )

Here's another point:
If a Jedi dies, are they allowed to harness the Force and give advice to still living players?

ROFL. Yes, as long as he doesn't do it by posting, PMing or in any other method, save coming back as a Jedi Ghost.

Mandy must be laughing himself silly. Day 1 and already 3 role claims.

Yup! I must admit that I find moding to be more fun then playing.

[kwanton]

Pre-moz claim:

I still thought that we should have lynched AK. If I had claimed, I would stick to my guns just in case. Besides I go by the rule of lynch all liars.


Post-moz claim:

Why was that necesary? You didn't have that many votes on you and there's no deadline so you could have explained yourself with clever words instead of a blatant roleclaim. I don't doubt that moz could have gotten a strangely useful role cuz I try not to look at mafia games by statistics but I still find his claim hard to believe.

unvote for now.

I thought that we should have lynched AK, and I still don't trust him one bit, but now that moz has claimed I have something else to mull over for a while.

[nagerous]

I didn't believe the Iceman roleclaim because I thought it was faked but with moz's post I'm actually more confused as I can't quite fathom the concept of someone like Han Solo not being pro-town and it appears Iceman's claim of Han Solo is genuine. unvote At any case I don't think we should lynch moz and I wouldn't reccomend he gives a name claim, from what Mandy said.

[Syzygy]

I'm sorry, but Moz's post sounds like utter crap.

Wicked, you never answered my old question about where you expressly said you weren't involved in the duel.

In any case, I believe voting for either AK or Wicked is useless. With 2 parties who can kill, as Mandy pointed out above, deaths are pretty much guaranteed for them owing to their roleclaims.

I'm leaning towards voting Moz.

[Syzygy]

In any case, I believe voting for either AK or Wicked is useless. With 2 parties who can kill, as Mandy pointed out above, deaths are pretty much guaranteed for them owing to their roleclaims.

In clarification: Regardless of whether they're speaking the truth, they will probably end up night-killed.

[Koesen]

I am not familiar with this part of the Star Wars Universe, but it seems odd to me that Han Solo, a smuggler and lawbreaker in the movies (though clearly a good guy), would be made a cop in this game. His name is the only one we've been given that I know so far, and it doesn't fit the role.

I think AK essentially gave us dozens of pages of nothing yesterday, with a couple of pro town roleclaims that may end up hurting us. Can we take his word for anything now?

Then there's Moz with his weird and not very necessary roleclaim. How big are the odds he discovers the true identity of the one guy he gets a hunch on?

Then there's Exile, who may have slipped up with his jedi remark, although given that his original accusation comes from AK, I'm not sure how meaningful that is.

Wicked and Anark, I now tend to trust (though I'm not sure), and the same goes for Fircoal (as much as it pains me to say that, hehe).

Nagerous hints at being pro town too, and I tend to believe him, inspite of his continuing suspicions of me. I guess you suspect me for not being sure if either of the duelists is on my side. That remark was based on the fact that there are several jedi knights in the Star Wars Saga who go over to the dark side. Force does not equal Good in the Star Wars stories (Darth Vader, Palpatine, Darth Maul, Count Dooku) and I would not be surprised if a similar twist awaits us here.

Anybody else I had thoughts on, I forgot them, hehe.

[wicked]

I'm sorry, but Moz's post sounds like utter crap.

Wicked, you never answered my old question about where you expressly said you weren't involved in the duel.

In any case, I believe voting for either AK or Wicked is useless. With 2 parties who can kill, as Mandy pointed out above, deaths are pretty much guaranteed for them owing to their roleclaims.

I'm leaning towards voting Moz.

I have stated twice previously that I am not involved in the duel. It should be obvious, since I wouldn't have role-claimed if I knew I was unlynchable. hmm... maybe that's what IC was up to, trying to find out who might be involved in the duel.

Two parties who can kill? I didn't interpret Mandy's words to mean that. Where did you get that from?

[moz976]

Sorry if everyone thinks my role claim was premature but I thought it was needed to protect the town.

And for those of you that think that it is strange that I got info on Han Solo of all people. I think it fits well with what Mandy has said about the game. That it is not a good idea to role claim since had AK not role claimed Han Solo I would have not been able to use the information given to me and I would have probably not voted for AK.

[wicked]

umm moz, you said before you got the info about Hans before IC's role claim. lemme see if I can find that quote....

[wicked]

umm moz, you said before you got the info about Hans before IC's role claim. lemme see if I can find that quote....

here we go...

So for my clue today I was told that Han Solo was not the hero that he has been portrayed as and that he was playing both sides in order to recruit for his own side.
Of course this information didn't do me a lot of good since I had no way of knowing who Han Solo was in this game. But then AK claimed Han Solo and I knew I could get rid of what I think is the head of a third group of indepentants.

[moz976]

umm moz, you said before you got the info about Hans before IC's role claim. lemme see if I can find that quote....

Yes I got the info on Han Solo at the beginning on the day. I was not saying that Mandy sent me info after he role claimed I'm saying that Mandy said in general that it was not a good idea to role claim. And I see my role as one of those reasons. You never know what information has been given out.

[wicked]

gotcha, I misread.

[nagerous]

I don't suspect you much Koesen, its just kinda funny you've been scum in every game I've played with you (even the one I modded!) I'm keeping my eye on you just incase.

[Syzygy]

...Well, in this game it is 2 times more likely to get you killed...

Here.

[Syzygy]

...Well, in this game it is 2 times more likely to get you killed...

Here.

@ Whackhead.