New Jedi Order Mafia MOZ & VONG WIN

[Selin]

Good god, Selin... That was a lot of posting to not really say anything...

I think there are some clues in it, if you can read them correctly. I would appreciate, if you can share your findings also. Maybe they can sum up to a concreter result together.

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[Skoffin]

I think we should take a look at the people that voted MM near the end last day. Day lynches serve us, so it is better to use as much time as we have. The speed lynch was decided on in hopes of saving some jedi, yet even after Mandy had said day wouldn't end till the lynch and the hunt did people still came in and speed lynched him. We had more time, we could of looked for better leads and used MM as a last resort if need be. Not only that but it is pretty common that once a lynch is done and a day continues for whatever reason that the people wander away or spam, and discussions start to dwindle. I think someone at the end of the lynch is likely to be scum, no only for speed lynching someone when we had plenty of time to find something better but also because they likely knew that the town would stop their discussions and trying to find more scum out, again hurting the town.


Errr, if that makes any sense to you guys.

[Selin]

Here are all voting records in one post for easier analysis.

Day 1:

AK Iceman(16) - Wicked, Neutrino, Talapus, Firth, Koesen, Moz, M Lion, Selin, Ga7, Tonka, Nark, Fircoal, Pancake, LSU, Skittles, Trestain

Day 2:

Moz(14) - Talapus, jnd, Freezie, Kalish, Moz, Serbia, Minister Masket, Tonka, Kwanton, Syzygy, Wicked, Firth, Exile, Ga7

Exile(14) - Trestain, Huck, Gimpy, Selin, Nagerus, Freezie, Jnd, Fircoal, Pancake, Ga7, Serbia, Tonka, Wicked, Firth

Day 3:

Freezie (13) - Wicked, Ga7, AK, M Lion, Nagerus, Gimpy, Kalish, Fircoal, Freezie, Skittles, Talapus, Kwanton, Syzygy

Day 4:

Minister Masket (10) - Nagerus, Serbia, Gimpy, Tonka, Jnd, Neutrino, Kwanton, Huck, Ga7, Talapus

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[Selin]

Skoffin,

I posted all voting records to analyze them easier based on your suggestion. And what do I see? You did not vote any of them. I don't remember exactly, have you voted anyone up to now?

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[MountainLion]

Son of a Sith!

This game is looking grim.

[MountainLion]

Mauntain Lion (Jedi Master Cilghal)(Doctor)(Jedi)

uh Mandy, it's MountainLion :p

[mandalorian2298]

Mauntain Lion (Jedi Master Cilghal)(Doctor)(Jedi)

uh Mandy, it's MountainLion :p

Me am sorry bwana but I am still poor at drawing the magical pictures of the civilized mans.

[Huckleberryhound]

Cop, Doctor and Bodyguard dead in one night. I expected 2 kills as usual, but 1 more kill and a kidnap was too much. What was the specialty of last night? Any ideas? Up to now I thought there is a mafia group and an independent (or pro town) vig. But what about other kill and kidnap?

I invested a few hours to read the thread once again knowing now owners of key roles.

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Nagerous (cop) gave us little clues up to now. Either he had no real clues about scum or he didn't want to make claims directly. He made a strong argumentation against MM last day. Based on that we lynched MM who was Imperial (I think they have another winning condition, because mandy stated they were independent).

Nagerous voted tonka stating that he is submarining (page 92). As nobody followed him, he later unvoted. At some point he voted also neutrino after those "mason power of jedis" discussions.

FOS: tonka

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Neutrino showed a strong reaction on syzygy when he said MM invited him to be day masons. Considering also earlier posts of neutrino that indicated he is non-jedi, I assume that he is probably also Imperial or another independent or recruiting scum. In any case non-jedi.

FOS: neutrino

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Since the start of the thread there are 4 players, who are either submarining or contributing nothing to the game. These are Huckelberryhound (contributing nothing but easily voting MM last day), Skoffin (only one post last day and almost nothing before) and Serbia/jnd94 (they are most active between those 4, but still not active enough). I will Fos the first two for the time being.

FOS: Huckelberryhound
FOS: Skoffin

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Next comes ga7, who voted and unvoted and voted and .... so many times that I lost track of his voting record many times. That made me also suspicious about him, however he has some kind of consistency in his behavior by doing so from the beginning on. On the other hand I'm pretty sure that he is also a non-jedi (because of all those posts/discussions with wicked on the day 1).

FOS: ga7

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Fircoal followed a different line than in other mafia games, which made me suspicious about him at the beginning, however I haven't found stronger evidence that he may be scum.

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At this point of the game, more ideas will certainly help us. I'm especially interested about possible scenarios about last night where I have the above mentioned question marks (first paragraph).

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Anyone you don't want to FOS ???

[Serbia]

I think I want to FOS Selin for FOSing everyone.

[jnd94]

I admit i havent been posting a lot, but I still have to FOS Selin. The fact that he has FOS'ed so many people doesnt show much thought as I had first thought. Sure, everyone has some problems with this game, but he pretty much listed off the names that are on the alive list.

[kwanton]

Meh. I don't really find selin scummy.

His post didn't really narrow things down but at least he's trying to contribute.

[kalishnikov]

So do we not have a vig. then? Or is he misguided? Or inactive?

3 good roles down and one more kidnapped, not looking well unless we start making good lynches.

[nagerous]

thought you picked up the hints ML

[ga7]

Concerning the fos on me for vote hopping, well not much to say there, I have more troubles making my mind in big games (to not say I suck at them)

Mmh about the vote records, you're forgetting an important one Selin: just when AK replaced Aegnor, his bandwagon at its peak:

AK Iceman 2.0 (9) - Wicked, M Lion, Huck, Selin, Syzygy, Nark, Jnd, Serbia, Fircoal

Of course some voters could be scum there hoping the wagon doesn't reach a lynch, but still it's more useful to have 3 wagons on scum instead of 2.

Out of this, Exile's and Freezie's lynches, only 2 people alive didn't vote for any of them: Neutrino & Skoffin. I have my doubts on Neutrino but you do have a point when you say he sounds more like third party. Skoffin however has been getting a free pass; she had valid reasons for not contributing before, but now it's her overall record that is bugging me.

Vote Skoffin

[Fircoal]

I don't find Selin scummy either, he's trying to post who he thinks is scummy and it just so happens that's half the game.

Also ga7 and Selin said, Skoffin hasn't voted anyone and has been submarining. For now that's our best lead. Vote: SKoffin

[Selin]

Anyone you don't want to FOS ???

I think I want to FOS Selin for FOSing everyone.

I admit i havent been posting a lot, but I still have to FOS Selin. The fact that he has FOS'ed so many people doesnt show much thought as I had first thought. Sure, everyone has some problems with this game, but he pretty much listed off the names that are on the alive list.

To make it clearer, the blue ones were my fosses. I found it somehow strange that Huck and Serbia/jnd additionally reacted so quickly. Considering that Huck doesn't post much, thats remarkable! And once again Huck didn't say anything in his post. At least jnd & Serbia tried to find an argument in order to counterfos me, although it is not a real argument. Go eason guys, post more.

3. Got tonkaed
5. Fircoal
7. Talapus
10. jnd94
14. Ga7
15. Syzygy
16. Selin
17.Serbia
19.Kalishnikov (replacing Willis)
22.Nark 2.0 (replacing Skittles!)
23.Neutrino
24.Skoffin
27. Gimpy (replacing Life-saver)
28. Huckelberryhound (replacing Xen Cobra)
31.Kwanton

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[Huckleberryhound]

Anyone you don't want to FOS ???

I think I want to FOS Selin for FOSing everyone.

I admit i havent been posting a lot, but I still have to FOS Selin. The fact that he has FOS'ed so many people doesnt show much thought as I had first thought. Sure, everyone has some problems with this game, but he pretty much listed off the names that are on the alive list.

To make it clearer, the blue ones were my fosses. I found it somehow strange that Huck and Serbia/jnd additionally reacted so quickly. Considering that Huck doesn't post much, thats remarkable! And once again Huck didn't say anything in his post. At least jnd & Serbia tried to find an argument in order to counterfos me, although it is not a real argument. Go eason guys, post more.

3. Got tonkaed
5. Fircoal
7. Talapus
10. jnd94
14. Ga7
15. Syzygy
16. Selin
17.Serbia
19.Kalishnikov (replacing Willis)
22.Nark 2.0 (replacing Skittles!)
23.Neutrino
24.Skoffin
27. Gimpy (replacing Life-saver)
28. Huckelberryhound (replacing Xen Cobra)
31.Kwanton

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I admit to not posting much, but make no apology. I have real life things happening, and last week i was posted in a different place at work, so had pretty much no internet access during the time i would usually post.

I find it to be pretty much "damned if you do , damned if you don't" when i post, so prefer to leave the deductions and belly yakkin to those who are good at it. As it is, most of my thoughts about scum were pretty much blown out of the water when the roles were revealed for those who i suspected.

I will post more tonight.

[Serbia]

I don't really have anything to go on Selin, just that it might be easy to hide behind a lot of detective work and fly well under the radar that way.

But I like ga7's find. (even thought it's ga7 )

VOTE: Skoffin voting record.

[jnd94]

Dont lynch Skoffin. I dont want to roleclaim, but DONT lynch Skoffin.

[jnd94]

oh, and vote neutrino. The other person ga7 listed, and he has been skimmimg.

[Serbia]

Unvote
VOTE: Neutrino

[Neutrino]

To make it clearer, the blue ones were my fosses. I found it somehow strange that Huck and Serbia/jnd additionally reacted so quickly. Considering that Huck doesn't post much, thats remarkable! And once again Huck didn't say anything in his post. At least jnd & Serbia tried to find an argument in order to counterfos me, although it is not a real argument. Go eason guys, post more.

3. Got tonkaed
5. Fircoal
7. Talapus
10. jnd94
14. Ga7
15. Syzygy
16. Selin
17.Serbia
19.Kalishnikov (replacing Willis)
22.Nark 2.0 (replacing Skittles!)
23.Neutrino
24.Skoffin
27. Gimpy (replacing Life-saver)
28. Huckelberryhound (replacing Xen Cobra)
31.Kwanton

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Still, you've got to admit, it was a lot of FOS's for a very little actual info.
Of course, I don't blame you. As it is, no-one really sticks out as scum.



Anyway, I'm still a little suspiscous of Fircoal the Previously Mute, but, as his posting habits have picked up a bit lately, I'll hold off formulating some cheap bandwagon on him

As for the people who do seem likely to die today. Skoffin seems to be quickly developing a bandwagon and, while I agree with its basic reasons (submarining) I do recall her posting some reasons in several threads. Of course, this dosen't rule out submarining under the guise of whatever-her-reasons-were.

All in all, Skoffin looks to be the best target today, but only because of the extreme paucity of any actual obvious scummyness.

I'll do some re-reading tomorrow (when I feel more inclined to read through the better part of 120 pages) and see if I can find any other slipups, or evidence that anyone else has been flying under the radar.

For now: Vote: Skoffin

[ga7]

Dont lynch Skoffin. I dont want to roleclaim, but DONT lynch Skoffin.

Great, now I have to reread 120 pages because I don't remember if you were trustable...

Except if Neutrino was fastposted while typing in slow-mo, the fact he jumps at the opportunity to vote Skoffin doesn't speak volumes for him... Anyway there's not that many votes on her right now, I'll check later.

[jnd94]

This is an obvious bandwagon on little evidence. FOS Fircoal, for jumping on the bandwagon so early.

[got tonkaed]

i do think this is a fairly quick bandwagon for what doesnt seem like a lot of voting evidence on skoffin....someone says poor voting record and everyone whose anyone jumps on.

unless theres going to be some actual evidence produced im not going to jump on yet.