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Postby xtratabasco on Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:59 pm

xtratabasco wrote:
s.xkitten wrote:The arrow is pointing to smoke, therefor it doesn't really matter...the red triangle is showing the tail fin...
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and this the picture clarified...i doubt you'll take it, but at least i provided a pic...
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http://www.utopiax.org/aa77.html


http://www.utopiax.org/911/pentagon01.jpg

lol



show us the pics of the boeing 757 this government says hit the pentagon



illy, do you mean the pic above shows the boeing 757 that this government says hit the pentagon and vaporized???



lol



:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby vtmarik on Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:43 pm

Oh, you mean the grainy, pixelated, distorted, image capture from a camera with a wide-angle lens?

Yeah, real conclusive.
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Postby xtratabasco on Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:46 pm

only illy would want to argue with this guy



Enver Masud, BS EE, MS OR (Operations Research), PE – Former Chief, Strategic and Emergency Planning Branch, U.S. Department of Energy. Engineering management consultant. Expert in electrical power grid management. Consulted for World Bank, EBRD, and USAID in Albania, Czech Republic, Egypt, Ghana, Indonesia, Latvia, Norway,Pakistan, Russia, Tanzania. Former Director, Office of Engineering, Washington, D.C. Public Service Commission. Served on the System Planning Subcommittee, the International Practices Subcommittee, and the Long Range Planning Task Force of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers ( IEEE). Author of more than 120 technical and non-technical articles and reports. Founder and CEO of The Wisdom Fund, and recipient of the 2002 Gold Award from the Human Rights Foundation for his book The War on Islam. He is also a contributing author of Islam: Opposing Viewpoints, and 9/11 and American Empire: Christians, Jews, and Muslims Speak Out.


* Statement to this website 6/6/07: "The 9/11 Commission Report is fatally flawed. Among its many problems;

1.) It is entirely silent on the collapse of WTC Building 7.

2.) The FBI has admitted it has no hard evidence that Bin Laden was responsible for the attacks of 9/11.

3.) To this day, the hijackers' identities remain in doubt.

4.) Evidence, including the lack of adequate debris, at both the Pentagon and Shanksville contradicts the official theory of Flights 77 and 93.

5.) There is prima facie evidence of the controlled demolition of the WTC Twin Towers and Building 7.





he dont buy this governments story either, but you do.





lol



just show us the pics of the boeing 757 that this government says hit the pentagon.


or dont






lol


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Postby Iliad on Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:49 pm

xtratabasco wrote:only illy would want to argue with this guy
Enver Masud, BS EE, MS OR (Operations Research), PE – Former Chief, Strategic and Emergency Planning Branch, U.S. Department of Energy. Engineering management consultant. Expert in electrical power grid management. Consulted for World Bank, EBRD, and USAID in Albania, Czech Republic, Egypt, Ghana, Indonesia, Latvia, Norway,Pakistan, Russia, Tanzania. Former Director, Office of Engineering, Washington, D.C. Public Service Commission. Served on the System Planning Subcommittee, the International Practices Subcommittee, and the Long Range Planning Task Force of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers ( IEEE). Author of more than 120 technical and non-technical articles and reports. Founder and CEO of The Wisdom Fund, and recipient of the 2002 Gold Award from the Human Rights Foundation for his book The War on Islam. He is also a contributing author of Islam: Opposing Viewpoints, and 9/11 and American Empire: Christians, Jews, and Muslims Speak Out.
* Statement to this website 6/6/07: "The 9/11 Commission Report is fatally flawed. Among its many problems;
1.) It is entirely silent on the collapse of WTC Building 7.
2.) The FBI has admitted it has no hard evidence that Bin Laden was responsible for the attacks of 9/11.
3.) To this day, the hijackers' identities remain in doubt.
4.) Evidence, including the lack of adequate debris, at both the Pentagon and Shanksville contradicts the official theory of Flights 77 and 93.
5.) There is prima facie evidence of the controlled demolition of the WTC Twin Towers and Building 7.
he dont buy this governments story either, but you do.
lol
just show us the pics of the boeing 757 that this government says hit the pentagon.
or dont
lol
:lol: :lol:

You hit enter 33 tiems in that post. WEll done.

Dude everything adds up in the 9/11
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Postby xtratabasco on Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:50 pm

im sorry you cant show the pics of the boeing 757 that this government says hit the pentagon and then vaporized.




try again tommorow.





lol
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Postby Iliad on Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:52 pm

xtratabasco wrote:im sorry you cant show the pics of the boeing 757 that this government says hit the pentagon and then vaporized.
try again tommorow.
lol

Only 9 times but no random copy+paste!! Well done. Dude we have shown you evidence and pictures.
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Postby xtratabasco on Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:54 pm

xtratabasco wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:
s.xkitten wrote:The arrow is pointing to smoke, therefor it doesn't really matter...the red triangle is showing the tail fin...
Image

and this the picture clarified...i doubt you'll take it, but at least i provided a pic...
Image



OWNED again


http://www.utopiax.org/aa77.html


http://www.utopiax.org/911/pentagon01.jpg

lol



show us the pics of the boeing 757 this government says hit the pentagon



illy, do you mean the pic above shows the boeing 757 that this government says hit the pentagon and vaporized???



lol



:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Dancing Mustard on Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:19 am

Here is another picture of the 757 moments after it hit the Pentagon.

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I've shown you three pictures of it now Xtra, how long is it going to take you to give me my million bucks.
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Postby Iliad on Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:23 am

Wow didn't know women in bikinis worked in the Pentagon!
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Postby Dancing Mustard on Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:34 am

That's because there's a massive government conspiracy which keeps us from knowing the truth about it.

Can you post a picture that proves there are no bikini-clad women in the Pentagon? No? Then it must be true and the government is built out of nano-bots which are fuelled by conspiracy.
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Postby Iliad on Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:50 am

Dancing Mustard wrote:That's because there's a massive government conspiracy which keeps us from knowing the truth about it.

Can you post a picture that proves there are no bikini-clad women in the Pentagon? No? Then it must be true and the government is built out of nano-bots which are fuelled by conspiracy.

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Postby xtratabasco on Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:54 am

xtratabasco wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:
s.xkitten wrote:The arrow is pointing to smoke, therefor it doesn't really matter...the red triangle is showing the tail fin...
Image

and this the picture clarified...i doubt you'll take it, but at least i provided a pic...
Image



OWNED again


http://www.utopiax.org/aa77.html


http://www.utopiax.org/911/pentagon01.jpg

lol



show us the pics of the boeing 757 this government says hit the pentagon



illy, do you mean the pic above shows the boeing 757 that this government says hit the pentagon and vaporized???



lol



:lol: :lol: :lol:




keep trying





or dont.




lol :lol:
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Postby heavycola on Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:13 pm

Xtra you are either the most retarded poster here or a troll.
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Postby xtratabasco on Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:30 pm

heavycola wrote:Xtra you are either the most retarded poster here or a troll.



I just want to see the pics, and so far nobody can do it.


but, nobody is surprised, even this guy.


Col. Pierre-Henri Bunel, (ret) – Army intelligence and artillery officer. Graduate of École Militaire of St. Cyr. Expert in the effects of artillery weapons and explosives. Served in the Gulf War as battlefield damage assessment officer. and aide-de-camp to French General Michel Roquejoffre. Bunel was one of four French officers decorated by General Norman Schwarzkopf for service in the Gulf War. Also Served in French and NATO operations in Somalia, Rwanda, Bosnia and Yugoslavia. 24-year army career.

Regarding Department of Defense photos of the Pentagon on 9/11 - "This image of the impact on the Pentagon is very instructive as to the nature of the explosion. ... It corresponds to a detonation of an explosive with high energetic power. The explosion does not correspond to a deflagration of kerosene [as would result from the impact of an airliner]. ...

One distinguishes at ground level, starting from the right-hand side of the photo and going to the base of the mass of white vapor, a white line of smoke. ... As opposed to the smoke that would come out of two kerosene-fueled engines, this smoke is white. The turbojets of a Boeing 757 would in fact leave a trail of much blacker smoke. The examination of this photo alone already suggests a single engine flying vehicle much smaller in size than an airliner. ...

The last photo was produced by the Department of Defense and published on a Navy Web site. In examining it, one can see an almost circular hole topped by a black smudge, This perforation is about seven feet in diameter and is situated in the wall of the third line of buildings working inward from the façade. It is supposed to have been made by the nose of the plane. That would mean that the nose of the aircraft, a radome of carbon fiber that is far from being armored, would have traversed without destroying them six load-bearing walls of building considered to be rather solid. ... The appearance of the perforation in the wall certainly resembles the effects of anti-concrete hollow charges that I have been able to observe on a number of battlefields. ...

This photo, and the effects described in the official version, lead me therefore to think that the detonation that struck the building was that of a high-powered hollow charge used to destroy hardened buildings and carried by an aerial vehicle, a missile."
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Postby heavycola on Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:40 pm

OK. Benefit of the doubt...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z73OhRhCWc

This is a video of a phantom F-4 hitting a concrete wall at 500mph. Vaporize is a pretty good word for what happens.
The Pentagon is a honeycomb of reinforced columns that are meant to withstand attacks, impacts of all kinds. When the airliner hit the building, it shredded. If you want a picture of an airplane, or a fuselage, there aren't any because the impact turned it into confetti.

OK?

Parts survived - a rotor blade from the engine, a wheel hub, fragemnts of fuselage with rivet holes. I believe all those pics are in this thread.

Here is a quote from Matt Sozen, the Kettelhut Distinguished Professor of Structural Engineering at Purdue University.
"At that speed, the plane itself is like a sausage skin. It doesn't have much strength and virtually crumbles on impact."

OK? Airliners are not suppsoed to be flown into buildings. They need to be light. The plane was torn into confetti. Do you understand this?
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Postby xtratabasco on Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:42 pm

[quote="heavycola"]OK. Benefit of the doubt...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z73OhRhCWc

This is a video of a phantom F-4 hitting a concrete wall at 500mph. Vaporize is a pretty good word for what happens.
The Pentagon is a honeycomb of reinforced columns that are meant to withstand attacks, impacts of all kinds. When the airliner hit the building, it shredded. If you want a picture of an airplane, or a fuselage, there aren't any because the impact turned it into confetti.

OK?

Parts survived - a rotor blade from the engine, a wheel hub, fragemnts of fuselage with rivet holes. I believe all those pics are in this thread.

You keep asking for a picture, so maybe you can answer a questions: why woudl there still be an airplane to photograph after a crash like that?

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If it went through 5 rings of the pentagon it would have debris all over the place....

and the wings would have been on the outside of the building...

you yourself posted 3 pictures but all that was there was a small piece of tin...
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Postby xtratabasco on Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:46 pm

[quote="s.xkitten"]Red rectangle is the aluminum debris
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and this is a zoom in on that red rectangle
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More plane debris
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Why dont you check this out.

Lets look at that 3rd picture is here at 31:40- 36:00

on this video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... eptions%22
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Postby heavycola on Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:48 pm

xtratabasco wrote:If it went through 5 rings of the pentagon it would have debris all over the place....

and the wings would have been on the outside of the building...


Dude, if you're going to respond, read the post. The Plane Was Shredded. The ouside wall of the pentagon is made from heavily reinforced concrete. The pillars inside are wrapped in kevlar. It is not the same as a plane hitting the WTC. They are different buildings built for different purposes. Do you understand?
The wings were shredded, like the fuselage. I don' t know how to make this any clearer.
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Postby xtratabasco on Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:50 pm

heavycola wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:If it went through 5 rings of the pentagon it would have debris all over the place....

and the wings would have been on the outside of the building...


Dude, if you're going to respond, read the post. The Plane Was Shredded. The ouside wall of the pentagon is made from heavily reinforced concrete. The pillars inside are wrapped in kevlar. It is not the same as a plane hitting the WTC. They are different buildings built for different purposes. Do you understand?
The wings were shredded, like the fuselage. I don' t know how to make this any clearer.



I can make it clearer


Why dont you check this out.

Lets look at that 3rd picture is here at 31:40- 38:00 It debunks your pics of tin and wheel pretty clearly.

on this video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... eptions%22
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Postby xtratabasco on Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:04 pm

s.xkitten wrote:The arrow is pointing to smoke, therefor it doesn't really matter...the red triangle is showing the tail fin...
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and this the picture clarified...i doubt you'll take it, but at least i provided a pic...
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Then there is this

Compare your pics to the ones here between

19:40-

on this video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... eptions%22
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Postby xtratabasco on Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:12 pm

Here is some pics of debris at 36:39

on this video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... eptions%22
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Postby Dancing Mustard on Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:51 pm

Here is a picture of the 757 flying into the Pentagon on 911.

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CHECKMATE! Take that Xtra! How are you going to disprove that with some shitty little youtube video with the most patronising voiceover ever invented by paramilitary wing of Satan's spilled semen, what shitty little creepy-weepy soundtrack is going to disprove that eh?

Check to the mate, I to the win. PWNT!!!! Yeah!!! There's a plan and a Pentagon, and I just totally owned you in debate. Hoo ya!






Now where's my fucking million bucks like you promised me?
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Postby xtratabasco on Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:33 pm

many websites and people are offering rewards of over 1 million to prove this governments story is true.

Jimmy Walter is offering over 1 million.

the power hour has a reward

copwatch is offering over 15k reward

lots of different 911 websites are offering 10-100K+

youll have to find the sites yourself, but to date, nobody has been able to collect. I wouldnt give you a kick in the ass for your bullshit, but give it a try. good luck.


you can start here

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0o ... tff1-msgff
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Postby unriggable on Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:35 pm

Hmm, evidence? How about the fact that a legitimate plane hit the pentagon, and that the plane which was recorded to hit the pentagon went 'missing', as did the passengers?
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Postby Iliad on Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:37 pm

Stop ignoring our pictures!

I know who you are! You're an alien bent on collecting data about the pentagon so when the mothership strikes we would have no protection! We know that wasn't a plane which crashed into pentagon! It was a spaceship!!

Come on disprove my theory! You can't!
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