New Jedi Order Mafia MOZ & VONG WIN

by **jnd94** on Sat Oct 06, 2007 10:28 am

kalishnikov wrote:
jnd94 wrote:Alright, you guys are pushing me to roleclaim, I guess. Might as well do that, instead of just giving a little bit, as that seems scummy to you.

Im Anakin Solo, Talented Jedi Apprentice

A bit premature of a claim in my opinion, we wanted answers but you didn't have to roleclaim. And if your story is true, you've now outted a Jedi (possibly) and a Jedi apprentice, 2 more (possibly) good roles which will end up killed tonight.

Oh and earlier didn't you tell us not to lynch Skoffin because she wasn't scum, now your saying she could go either way?

yes, but I didnt think she could be scum, becuase she was my mason partner. Naive. I looked at her wiki, it could go either way.

And i think I needed to claim. ga7 put up a good arguement, and I dndt know GT would back me, so it was a good idea then. Now, not so much....

by **Syzygy** on Sat Oct 06, 2007 10:33 am

Vote: ga7

Alright... jnd's statement concerning Skoffin only serves to back up his current claim.

Between ga7 and jnd, one of them must surely be scum. ga7 seems far more guilty.

by **ga7** on Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:00 am

Look, the reason I wanted precisions from Jnd in the first place is that I had reread and thought there was no way he could be jedi if he didn't buy Wicked's claim, and there was no indication that anyone pro-town other than the jedis concerned by the hunt had a part in the event.
I didn't bother checking his character as his behavior back then made me think he's lying. I find the argument that a townie would do what he did pretty weird, as Wicked was still under heat and he seemed convinced that Wicked's lynch might be still neededl. Now GT, you're saying Jnd is innocent purely based on his role name... Nothing seems fishy there? First he pops up with the whole Skoffin is clean thing, now he says he doesn't know if she's scum or not. I'm not gonna buy the innocence of 2 players just because of a name, after all Freezie had one too.
In any case I find it rather funny that the first decent case today gets shot down as "ga7 must be scum". It bugs me that there's almost only low profile people left, that we can't get a read on because they're not inputting shit. Next time I won't bother, seems it's the good little "townie" behavior to have... :roll:

So, if we follow the little storyline that seems to be your only defense Jnd, we're still clueless about whether Skoffin is scum or not. And worst of all, we can't risk lynching her either because she might be jedi apprentice too
:shock:

I was under the impression that all jedi apprentices were part of the hunt, but it seems there's shitloads more out there.

by **got tonkaed** on Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:16 am

well allow me to use a bunch of potential poor pro town behaviors in this post....

first thigns first, ga7 this is pretty similar to how you played the godfather role in nv4 so youve shown yourself to be capable of playing with this psuedo helpful style to the town in the past. you are controlling a lot of the games action without really putting yourself in danger (back before i was being a meddling fool)

the storyline defense seems to be weak but reasonable considering mando has stayed really true to everything thus far. The fact that the masons as laid out do work together only seems to strengthen their case. It seems like the potentially most destructive town behavior at this point would be to lynch jnd, find out he was anakin solo and then have to lynch skoffin tommorow out of fear that we would have her relapse to the vong...if she isnt there already. In fact if tahiri is a vong betrayer, we probably have condemned them both to death anyway.

however there is yet to be a great reason to not lynch you as you have put yourself in the way of a jedi, with a story that doesnt seem to hold up to that much criticism. You seem far more capable of being someone whose job is to eliminate the jedi and therefore you are more dangerous than either one of them is at the moment to town.

by **Talapus** on Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:26 am

I'm not quite sure what you thought you saw in all those posts back there ga7?!? I read them and then reread them and I still think what you're grasping at is rather elusive. I would have to agree with GT on this and say that jnd would have to be a complete idiot to claim a role like he did if he was scum. On top of that, he gave away skoffin's role. With quite a few people left in this game still, there is a large chance of a counter claim. So, what reason would there be to lie about a role claim like that? The minute someone says something to counterclaim we'd likely lynch one of them to prove it. So, it sounds really risky.I'd like to hear from Skoffin though first before I make up my mind and see what she says about it...

by **ga7** on Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:48 am

GT: Exactly how I'm not putting myself in danger here? I understand the pseudo helpful, although I don't agree with it, and I won't bother WIFOMing but at this point it strikes me as incredibly silly to think I'm scum because I put a case. As for the storyline, well I have no choice but to buy your word for it and it doesn't sit so right with me. You're right about one thing though, since Jnd claimed talented jedi apprentice, lynching him seems a bit of a risk. I'm tempted to put my vote on Skoffin in order to sort this whole mess today, but I'll abstain till there's more input. As for trying to eliminate jedis, I'm more into finding the fake ones

Unvote

Tal err I'm a bit puzzled with your post, I'll try to understand it later, a less sober state might help :lol:

by **got tonkaed** on Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:53 am

i think its fairly simple at this point....youve been willing to extend a case to lynch someone on relatively little info, who had claimed jedi. Since at this point there is no real information which makes it more dangerous to lynch you than it is to lynch the other two.

When new information comes in to change my opinion then i will reevaluate. and fwiw my world famous hunch about someone being scum is beginning to go off. And though im often wrong when im not dialed into something, with each post i begin to believe more and more you are a member of the peace brigade which is very anti town of you.

by **mandalorian2298** on Sat Oct 06, 2007 12:28 pm

VOTE COUNT

Skoffin (1) - Fircoal,
Neutrino (3) - Serbia, Kalish, Neutrino
Fircoal (1) - Huck
Jnd (1) - Nark,
Ga7 (2) - Syzygy, Tonka

15 alive, 8 to lynch.

by **Fircoal** on Sat Oct 06, 2007 12:33 pm

Fos: Ga7 I must say I found your point with what you said about Jnd, but his whole claim thing also makes a lot of sense. Also GT seems to make sense about how you're playing and it makes me think you're scum.

Frenchie wrote:In any case I find it rather funny that the first decent case today gets shot down as "ga7 must be scum". It bugs me that there's almost only low profile people left, that we can't get a read on because they're not inputting shit. Next time I won't bother, seems it's the good little "townie" behavior to have...

The case didn't get shot down because you must be scum. It got shot down because Jnd's roleclaim and defense makes sense. Even if it is a weak defense that mainly features stuff around the background of the game, it still shows he shouldn't be lynched. the only thing, is since we know he read the wiki he could of faked the thing by using the wiki and putting it in a mafia sense. Whether Jnd is smart enough to do that or not is WIFOM, so we probably shouldn't push that for now.

Frenchie wrote:GT: Exactly how I'm not putting myself in danger here? I understand the pseudo helpful, although I don't agree with it, and I won't bother WIFOMing but at this point it strikes me as incredibly silly to think I'm scum because I put a case. As for the storyline, well I have no choice but to buy your word for it and it doesn't sit so right with me. You're right about one thing though, since Jnd claimed talented jedi apprentice, lynching him seems a bit of a risk. I'm tempted to put my vote on Skoffin in order to sort this whole mess today, but I'll abstain till there's more input. As for trying to eliminate jedis, I'm more into finding the fake ones

Unvote

You weren't putting yourself in danger until now, and with this post you just got yourself out of danger by dropping your case against Jnd. Even though I personally think that he isn't scum, I find it scummy to drop a case you believe in after some people go against you because of it. You in your post say that you still don't personally believe in it. So why go along with it? To blend in with the town?

by **ga7** on Sat Oct 06, 2007 1:05 pm

GT: I think it's the second time you mention the peace brigade, first time I didn't realize you were actually talking about something game wise. What are you talking about? I'm way too lazy to wiki it.

Fir (and GT too anyway): After all Mandy's warnings etc etc, a claim doesn't do it for me. Now according to GT, the character is pretty proeminent and his story checks out. But I'm not convinced that it's a good orientation to blindly believe claims (or in this case, background). It's not even the possibility he could have read the wiki and make it up, it's what Mandy could provide the scum with that is a problem.
As for my dropping my vote, on the contrary I was absolutely sure it'd put me in more danger. I'm not 100% sure on Jnd, and it still bugs me his main defense was GT's background check, but I do realize that if I'm wrong it's a pretty high price to pay. I'll wait for Skoffin to speak up to make up my mind in any case.

by **ga7** on Sat Oct 06, 2007 1:10 pm

Oh I forgot to address the metagaming point. Right, if you provide me with concrete examples of what I do when I'm scum and that I did here, I'll consider it a valid point instead of a general shot in the dark, as I don't find any similitudes between the current situation and NV3. Kthxbai :wink:

by **got tonkaed** on Sat Oct 06, 2007 1:11 pm

peace brigaders are non vong who essentially believe that by giving up the jedi, they will go away and leave people alone. That is what you are, and they are not pro town charcters.

Frankly if we wait forever for skoffin to speak, we will be doing just that, skoffin is by nature a bit of a submariner. I have no problem doing so, the only problem is the only thing skoffin is gonna say is what jnd has laid out in front of her, by everyone else.

ga7 you are crumpling a little bit under some very minimal pressure. Fircoal makes a lot of good points, and the entire basis of your argument was fairly anti town at the start. If im wrong i am at least imo doing things under a sense that these actions are probably best for the town. as always when information is available that suggests im wrong, ill change my opinion, but that information isnt available as of yet.

likewise we are missing a fair number of voices at the moment, not that we havent been all game (i was one of htem)

by **got tonkaed** on Sat Oct 06, 2007 1:12 pm

ga7 wrote:Oh I forgot to address the metagaming point. Right, if you provide me with concrete examples of what I do when I'm scum and that I did here, I'll consider it a valid point instead of a general shot in the dark, as I don't find any similitudes between the current situation and NV3. Kthxbai

of course you dont, what good bad guy would admit that he is being a bad guy (well some have, but it wouldnt be good for you here)

frankly i think the bandwagon will probably be moving on your shortly, and i dont see any need to stop it as of yet.

by **Fircoal** on Sat Oct 06, 2007 1:25 pm

ga7 wrote:GT: I think it's the second time you mention the peace brigade, first time I didn't realize you were actually talking about something game wise. What are you talking about? I'm way too lazy to wiki it.

Fir (and GT too anyway): After all Mandy's warnings etc etc, a claim doesn't do it for me. Now according to GT, the character is pretty proeminent and his story checks out. But I'm not convinced that it's a good orientation to blindly believe claims (or in this case, background). It's not even the possibility he could have read the wiki and make it up, it's what Mandy could provide the scum with that is a problem.
As for my dropping my vote, on the contrary I was absolutely sure it'd put me in more danger. I'm not 100% sure on Jnd, and it still bugs me his main defense was GT's background check, but I do realize that if I'm wrong it's a pretty high price to pay. I'll wait for Skoffin to speak up to make up my mind in any case.

YEs Mandy could of told Jnd that but what are the chances that MAndy did that. I don't think it's likely that he did. But then again that's getting into more WIFOM. The subject of whether Jnd did make up the background, Mandy made it up, or whether it really happened if pretty much WIFOM at this moment until we know more.
What makes you so sure that dropping your vote would put you in more danger. But arguing with GT you were in the spotlight, which is what most people see prodominately. If you took your vote off of Jnd like everyone else, you would be getting out of the spotlight. Which you did. So really it looks like an attempt to blend in with the town. I don't think anyone is 100% about Jnd, as I said his case consists of WIFOM, that I'd rather not get into now.

by **ga7** on Sat Oct 06, 2007 1:25 pm

Well GT considering the whole defense of Jnd and Skoffin comes from you, I'd like to hear more from the actual people yes. I don't think we'll have to wait that long in any case, Skoffin always pops up more often when concerned

As for peace brigaders, well this seems a bit out of nowhere. We already know there was an Empire third party, if there was another anti-town faction I find it weird that there would have been no mention of it.
Btw I'm not crumpling, I'm just generally pissed that all the cases I make in this game are met with utter disbelief

And again you're not paying attention to the point that claiming can't be trusted. I can't say I'm 100% right about my case, but this point is the one thing that you're being totally carefree with.

by **gimpyThewonder** on Sat Oct 06, 2007 1:58 pm

GA7 - single question: What makes you think that the hunt was only apprentices? You've mentioned it a couple times now.

Fircoal - you have been hopping from person to person on whatever seems to be the happening thing FOSing them. You are now officially showing on my scumdar. vote fircoal

by **mandalorian2298** on Sat Oct 06, 2007 2:14 pm

VOTE COUNT

Skoffin (1) - Fircoal,
Neutrino (3) - Serbia, Kalish, Neutrino
Fircoal (2) - Huck, Gimpy
Jnd (1) - Nark,
Ga7 (2) - Syzygy, Tonka

15 alive, 8 to lynch.

by **ga7** on Sat Oct 06, 2007 2:14 pm

Mandy was pretty clear on that. Wicked (jedi knight) and 6 apprentices were part of the hunt (or rather hunted), and I originally asked Jnd the earlier question because I thought there was no way he could be jedi apprentice. Ironically if he had just answered my question affirmatively I probably would still be doubting him but not much else as to me that event purely concerned jedis and scum, but he claimed right away, which made my original suspicion valid to me.

Fir, since I got fastposted earlier: I don't really think it's so much of a WIFOM argument, but as I said there's too much room for doubt right now to risk it.

by **gimpyThewonder** on Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:50 pm

what does WIFOM mean?

by **Fircoal** on Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:59 pm

gimpyThewonder wrote:what does WIFOM mean?

wine in front of me.

Pancake get me the wiki link.

by **pancakemix** on Sat Oct 06, 2007 6:03 pm

Here you go

by **Skoffin** on Sun Oct 07, 2007 1:52 am

Argh. I guess it's CLAIM TIME OH MY. Yes, I am Tahiri Veila, Jedi apprentice and mason partner to JND. I only became his partner last night. I also know he really is Anakin, Mando told me so. I also know someone tried to approach me last night and offer me something, which I was not eligible for. I have no idea who that was though. I also much congratualate Mando for that pm though, when informing me of the offer he added a 'bit of skoffin crankyness' in it <<
I do not know who else may or may not be a jedi, but I too have that 'two options' thing anyway. If I need to say what they are to help validate who I claim to be then I will.

Now I'd just like to express my loathing towards Mando right now.
First, I had told him NOT to make me a bloody jedi, I get this role with a added 'lulz' to the pm. I hate you.
I also had lost my role pm early on, and kept bugging him for my characters name. He kept rambling on, made me fight him in risk, then told me I'd be involved in the day four scene. I assumed my name would pop up, but no, just wanted to confuse me. I hate you <<

by **Skoffin** on Sun Oct 07, 2007 1:53 am

ga7 wrote: I don't think we'll have to wait that long in any case, Skoffin always pops up more often when concerned

I love you.
But I guess that is true << So what have we learned? Put my name in every couple of posts.

by **mandalorian2298** on Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:32 am

Skoffin wrote:

Now I'd just like to express my loathing towards Mando right now....He kept rambling on, made me fight him in risk....

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by **Skoffin** on Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:36 am

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