Evolution vs Creation-Comparing each View

[vtmarik]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptation

An adaptation is a positive characteristic of an organism that has been favored by natural selection. The concept is central to biology, particularly in evolutionary biology. The term adaptation is also sometimes used as a synonym for natural selection, but most biologists discourage this usage.

There is a great difference between adaptation and acclimation. Adaptation occurs over many generations; it is a gradual process caused by natural selection. Acclimatization generally occurs within a single lifetime and copes with issues that are less threatening. For example, if a human was to move to a higher altitude, respiration and physical exertion would become a problem, but after spending time in high altitude conditions one may acclimate to the pressure and function and no longer notice the change. This ability to acclimate is an adaptation, but not the acclimation itself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

In biology, evolution is the change in the inherited traits of a population from generation to generation. These traits are the expression of genes that are copied and passed on to offspring during reproduction. Mutations in these genes can produce new or altered traits, resulting in heritable differences (genetic variation) between organisms. New traits can also come from transfer of genes between populations, as in migration, or between species, in horizontal gene transfer. Evolution occurs when these heritable differences become more common or rare in a population, either non-randomly through natural selection or randomly through genetic drift.

Natural selection is a process that causes heritable traits that are helpful for survival and reproduction to become more common, and harmful traits to become more rare. This occurs because organisms with advantageous traits pass on more copies of these heritable traits to the next generation. Over many generations, adaptations occur through a combination of successive, small, random changes in traits, and natural selection of those variants best-suited for their environment. In contrast, genetic drift produces random changes in the frequency of traits in a population. Genetic drift arises from the role chance plays in whether a given individual will survive and reproduce.

Adaptations are structures or behaviors that enhance a specific function, causing organisms to become better at surviving and reproducing. They are produced by a combination of the continuous production of small, random changes in traits, followed by natural selection of the variants best-suited for their environment. This process can cause either the gain of a new feature, or the loss of an ancestral feature. An example that shows both types of change is bacterial adaptation to antibiotic selection, with mutations causing antibiotic resistance by either modifying the target of the drug, or removing the transporters that allow the drug into the cell.

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Proof of Evolution: The Human Immune System.

Every time the immune system adapts to fight off a new type of virus or bacteria, it is fundamentally different than it was before.

For example, when you were a small child, you probably got chicken pox. Then your body developed an immunity, that is to say that your immune system adapted to the virus thus preventing you from ever contracting the disease again.

This immunity you now have is fundamentally different from your previous immunities in that this disease will no longer affect you.

There you go. Evolution proved. Pencils down, class dismissed.

[Backglass]

evolution cant be proven and creation cant be proven.im a creationist.but the fact is faith you got to decide what your going to base your life on hugh things are at risk if the evolutionist is wrong though while as a creationist what do i lose if im wrong? nothing im just wrong and i become dust when i die

EXCEPT THAT YOU ARE AN IDIOT FOR YOUR ENTIRE LIFE.

Bravo.

I love it when the deluded give the whole "If your wrong you burn in hell, if I'm wrong nothing happens" bullshit.

You are wrong and you are spending countless hours and dollars praying to and living your life for a fantasy creature. Now if you don't MIND wasting years of your life and untold amounts of money doing this...go for it! There are plenty of others to chant your rituals right along with you and more still to take your hard earned money! I'd rather pass on the crutches and keep my time & money for worthwhile things.

[unriggable]

Keep in mind that Zeus wouldn't be happy if you're praying to a nonexistent god. Or Allah. Or ZLQWZGY the god that there is no religion for (yet). Countless of possibilities for damnation in the religious sector and if youre more concerned on worshipping the right god than doing the right thing then i suggest you get mental attention immediately.

[jay_a2j]

yes it is much easier to believe, and I am a christian, but the bible was not ment to be taken literally, it gives examples. And God could have had a great flood, but then we would still be flooded, and another thing, if the world was flooded, all plants (except those who live in the water) would be wiped out, so it is impossible for a dove to bring back a twig from a tree.

"the bible was not meant to be taken literally" is that written in the back of the Bible? I've never seen it, so who told you that? Some scripture is not literal or "written in code" so that the Romans did not understand it. (Revelation and the beast with 10 horns) Obviously there will never be a literal beast. (monster with horns) This is symbolic for a Empire with 10 nations or "horns". But creation and the flood are literal. The water receding, revealing land accounts for the dove finding the olive branch.

[Iliad]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptation

An adaptation is a positive characteristic of an organism that has been favored by natural selection. The concept is central to biology, particularly in evolutionary biology. The term adaptation is also sometimes used as a synonym for natural selection, but most biologists discourage this usage.

There is a great difference between adaptation and acclimation. Adaptation occurs over many generations; it is a gradual process caused by natural selection. Acclimatization generally occurs within a single lifetime and copes with issues that are less threatening. For example, if a human was to move to a higher altitude, respiration and physical exertion would become a problem, but after spending time in high altitude conditions one may acclimate to the pressure and function and no longer notice the change. This ability to acclimate is an adaptation, but not the acclimation itself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

In biology, evolution is the change in the inherited traits of a population from generation to generation. These traits are the expression of genes that are copied and passed on to offspring during reproduction. Mutations in these genes can produce new or altered traits, resulting in heritable differences (genetic variation) between organisms. New traits can also come from transfer of genes between populations, as in migration, or between species, in horizontal gene transfer. Evolution occurs when these heritable differences become more common or rare in a population, either non-randomly through natural selection or randomly through genetic drift.

Natural selection is a process that causes heritable traits that are helpful for survival and reproduction to become more common, and harmful traits to become more rare. This occurs because organisms with advantageous traits pass on more copies of these heritable traits to the next generation. Over many generations, adaptations occur through a combination of successive, small, random changes in traits, and natural selection of those variants best-suited for their environment. In contrast, genetic drift produces random changes in the frequency of traits in a population. Genetic drift arises from the role chance plays in whether a given individual will survive and reproduce.

Adaptations are structures or behaviors that enhance a specific function, causing organisms to become better at surviving and reproducing. They are produced by a combination of the continuous production of small, random changes in traits, followed by natural selection of the variants best-suited for their environment. This process can cause either the gain of a new feature, or the loss of an ancestral feature. An example that shows both types of change is bacterial adaptation to antibiotic selection, with mutations causing antibiotic resistance by either modifying the target of the drug, or removing the transporters that allow the drug into the cell.

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Proof of Evolution: The Human Immune System.

Every time the immune system adapts to fight off a new type of virus or bacteria, it is fundamentally different than it was before.

For example, when you were a small child, you probably got chicken pox. Then your body developed an immunity, that is to say that your immune system adapted to the virus thus preventing you from ever contracting the disease again.

This immunity you now have is fundamentally different from your previous immunities in that this disease will no longer affect you.

There you go. Evolution proved. Pencils down, class dismissed.

Bravo!

[joecoolfrog]

yes it is much easier to believe, and I am a christian, but the bible was not ment to be taken literally, it gives examples. And God could have had a great flood, but then we would still be flooded, and another thing, if the world was flooded, all plants (except those who live in the water) would be wiped out, so it is impossible for a dove to bring back a twig from a tree.

"the bible was not meant to be taken literally" is that written in the back of the Bible? I've never seen it, so who told you that? Some scripture is not literal or "written in code" so that the Romans did not understand it. (Revelation and the beast with 10 horns) Obviously there will never be a literal beast. (monster with horns) This is symbolic for a Empire with 10 nations or "horns". But creation and the flood are literal. The water receding, revealing land accounts for the dove finding the olive branch.

So please explain how you know which parts are literal and which parts are code...hee hee code to stop the Romans finding out,it was the Holy Roman Church that cobbled the bible together for goodness sake !

[neoni]

anybody who even suggests for a second that evolution doesn't happen is just wrong - absolutely no debate. it hasn't been about whether or not the process happens but whether or not evolution represents the origin of all life.

christians coming here and saying evolution can't be proven either haven't ever been to a science class or live in some backwards american state that teaches you that somehow tiny changes to a species over millions of years is less likely than a fairy in the sky creating things by talking to himself

[neoni]

yes it is much easier to believe, and I am a christian, but the bible was not ment to be taken literally, it gives examples. And God could have had a great flood, but then we would still be flooded, and another thing, if the world was flooded, all plants (except those who live in the water) would be wiped out, so it is impossible for a dove to bring back a twig from a tree.

"the bible was not meant to be taken literally" is that written in the back of the Bible? I've never seen it, so who told you that? Some scripture is not literal or "written in code" so that the Romans did not understand it. (Revelation and the beast with 10 horns) Obviously there will never be a literal beast. (monster with horns) This is symbolic for a Empire with 10 nations or "horns". But creation and the flood are literal. The water receding, revealing land accounts for the dove finding the olive branch.

why do you have the authority to say what is literal and what isn't, but then quiver at the site of three year olds with cancer and cry "GOD WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS, OUR PETTY HUMAN MINDS CAN NEVER UNDERSTAND HIS METHODS"?

[joecoolfrog]

Widowmakers
Your entire case for creationism appears to be producing evidence that questions the theory of evolution, any chance of now making a positive scientific case for creationism ?

[WidowMakers]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptation

An adaptation is a positive characteristic of an organism that has been favored by natural selection. The concept is central to biology, particularly in evolutionary biology. The term adaptation is also sometimes used as a synonym for natural selection, but most biologists discourage this usage.

There is a great difference between adaptation and acclimation. Adaptation occurs over many generations; it is a gradual process caused by natural selection. Acclimatization generally occurs within a single lifetime and copes with issues that are less threatening. For example, if a human was to move to a higher altitude, respiration and physical exertion would become a problem, but after spending time in high altitude conditions one may acclimate to the pressure and function and no longer notice the change. This ability to acclimate is an adaptation, but not the acclimation itself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

In biology, evolution is the change in the inherited traits of a population from generation to generation. These traits are the expression of genes that are copied and passed on to offspring during reproduction. Mutations in these genes can produce new or altered traits, resulting in heritable differences (genetic variation) between organisms. New traits can also come from transfer of genes between populations, as in migration, or between species, in horizontal gene transfer. Evolution occurs when these heritable differences become more common or rare in a population, either non-randomly through natural selection or randomly through genetic drift.

Natural selection is a process that causes heritable traits that are helpful for survival and reproduction to become more common, and harmful traits to become more rare. This occurs because organisms with advantageous traits pass on more copies of these heritable traits to the next generation. Over many generations, adaptations occur through a combination of successive, small, random changes in traits, and natural selection of those variants best-suited for their environment. In contrast, genetic drift produces random changes in the frequency of traits in a population. Genetic drift arises from the role chance plays in whether a given individual will survive and reproduce.

Adaptations are structures or behaviors that enhance a specific function, causing organisms to become better at surviving and reproducing. They are produced by a combination of the continuous production of small, random changes in traits, followed by natural selection of the variants best-suited for their environment. This process can cause either the gain of a new feature, or the loss of an ancestral feature. An example that shows both types of change is bacterial adaptation to antibiotic selection, with mutations causing antibiotic resistance by either modifying the target of the drug, or removing the transporters that allow the drug into the cell.

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EDIT:

Proof of Evolution: The Human Immune System.

Every time the immune system adapts to fight off a new type of virus or bacteria, it is fundamentally different than it was before.

For example, when you were a small child, you probably got chicken pox. Then your body developed an immunity, that is to say that your immune system adapted to the virus thus preventing you from ever contracting the disease again.

This immunity you now have is fundamentally different from your previous immunities in that this disease will no longer affect you.

There you go. Evolution proved. Pencils down, class dismissed.

I was planning on writing a piece on Evolution verses Natural selection(adaptation). Hopefully that will be today or tomorrow. But here is a short version.

No adaptation has ever been shown to change the basic characteristics of ANYTHING and make in a new species. A frog is still a frog, a man is still a man. You are still thinking that adaptation was not something designed in eah different species.
Is it not possible that the imune system was designed to adapt?

But more on this when I have the time to actually write us a comparison.

Later.
WM

[Iliad]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptation

An adaptation is a positive characteristic of an organism that has been favored by natural selection. The concept is central to biology, particularly in evolutionary biology. The term adaptation is also sometimes used as a synonym for natural selection, but most biologists discourage this usage.

There is a great difference between adaptation and acclimation. Adaptation occurs over many generations; it is a gradual process caused by natural selection. Acclimatization generally occurs within a single lifetime and copes with issues that are less threatening. For example, if a human was to move to a higher altitude, respiration and physical exertion would become a problem, but after spending time in high altitude conditions one may acclimate to the pressure and function and no longer notice the change. This ability to acclimate is an adaptation, but not the acclimation itself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

In biology, evolution is the change in the inherited traits of a population from generation to generation. These traits are the expression of genes that are copied and passed on to offspring during reproduction. Mutations in these genes can produce new or altered traits, resulting in heritable differences (genetic variation) between organisms. New traits can also come from transfer of genes between populations, as in migration, or between species, in horizontal gene transfer. Evolution occurs when these heritable differences become more common or rare in a population, either non-randomly through natural selection or randomly through genetic drift.

Natural selection is a process that causes heritable traits that are helpful for survival and reproduction to become more common, and harmful traits to become more rare. This occurs because organisms with advantageous traits pass on more copies of these heritable traits to the next generation. Over many generations, adaptations occur through a combination of successive, small, random changes in traits, and natural selection of those variants best-suited for their environment. In contrast, genetic drift produces random changes in the frequency of traits in a population. Genetic drift arises from the role chance plays in whether a given individual will survive and reproduce.

Adaptations are structures or behaviors that enhance a specific function, causing organisms to become better at surviving and reproducing. They are produced by a combination of the continuous production of small, random changes in traits, followed by natural selection of the variants best-suited for their environment. This process can cause either the gain of a new feature, or the loss of an ancestral feature. An example that shows both types of change is bacterial adaptation to antibiotic selection, with mutations causing antibiotic resistance by either modifying the target of the drug, or removing the transporters that allow the drug into the cell.

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EDIT:

Proof of Evolution: The Human Immune System.

Every time the immune system adapts to fight off a new type of virus or bacteria, it is fundamentally different than it was before.

For example, when you were a small child, you probably got chicken pox. Then your body developed an immunity, that is to say that your immune system adapted to the virus thus preventing you from ever contracting the disease again.

This immunity you now have is fundamentally different from your previous immunities in that this disease will no longer affect you.

There you go. Evolution proved. Pencils down, class dismissed.

I was planning on writing a piece on Evolution verses Natural selection(adaptation). Hopefully that will be today or tomorrow. But here is a short version.

No adaptation has ever been shown to change the basic characteristics of ANYTHING and make in a new species. A frog is still a frog, a man is still a man. You are still thinking that adaptation was not something designed in eah different species.
Is it not possible that the imune system was designed to adapt?

But more on this when I have the time to actually write us a comparison.

Later.
WM

we haven't seen any major differences because it takes much more time. Many, many generations

[unriggable]

Here's one:

In about the equivalent of fifteen years, scientists were able to take an amoeba and allow it to live with an additional 40,000 bacteria in it. If the bacteria are removed, both the amoeba and bacteria die. This happened when a group of amoeba in the laboratory were being infected with outside bacteria, most of them died but a handful were able to incorporate the bacteria into their system. In the early stages removing the bacteria just caused the bacteria to die, but now the amoeba relies on the bacteria to produce certain enzymes. This reveals a possible bacteria-eukaryote transition.

[Jolly Roger]

Proof of Evolution: The Human Immune System.

Every time the immune system adapts to fight off a new type of virus or bacteria, it is fundamentally different than it was before.

For example, when you were a small child, you probably got chicken pox. Then your body developed an immunity, that is to say that your immune system adapted to the virus thus preventing you from ever contracting the disease again.

This immunity you now have is fundamentally different from your previous immunities in that this disease will no longer affect you.

There you go. Evolution proved. Pencils down, class dismissed.

This is not evolution. You cannot pass this new immunity along to your offspring (i.e., your son or daughter would still be susceptible to chicken pox even though you have developed resistance).

[b.k. barunt]

Hmmm - another "proof" of evolution easily debunked. Next?


Honibaz

[jay_a2j]

Proof of Evolution: The Human Immune System.

Every time the immune system adapts to fight off a new type of virus or bacteria, it is fundamentally different than it was before.

For example, when you were a small child, you probably got chicken pox. Then your body developed an immunity, that is to say that your immune system adapted to the virus thus preventing you from ever contracting the disease again.

This immunity you now have is fundamentally different from your previous immunities in that this disease will no longer affect you.

There you go. Evolution proved. Pencils down, class dismissed.

This is not evolution. You cannot pass this new immunity along to your offspring (i.e., your son or daughter would still be susceptible to chicken pox even though you have developed resistance).

I agree. That, and some people seem to note adaptation in place of evolution and there are fundamental differences between these two processes.

[vtmarik]

I agree. That, and some people seem to note adaptation in place of evolution and there are fundamental differences between these two processes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptation

An adaptation is a positive characteristic of an organism that has been favored by natural selection. The concept is central to biology, particularly in evolutionary biology. The term adaptation is also sometimes used as a synonym for natural selection, but most biologists discourage this usage.

There is a great difference between adaptation and acclimation. Adaptation occurs over many generations; it is a gradual process caused by natural selection. Acclimatization generally occurs within a single lifetime and copes with issues that are less threatening. For example, if a human was to move to a higher altitude, respiration and physical exertion would become a problem, but after spending time in high altitude conditions one may acclimate to the pressure and function and no longer notice the change. This ability to acclimate is an adaptation, but not the acclimation itself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

Adaptations are structures or behaviors that enhance a specific function, causing organisms to become better at surviving and reproducing. They are produced by a combination of the continuous production of small, random changes in traits, followed by natural selection of the variants best-suited for their environment. This process can cause either the gain of a new feature, or the loss of an ancestral feature. An example that shows both types of change is bacterial adaptation to antibiotic selection, with mutations causing antibiotic resistance by either modifying the target of the drug, or removing the transporters that allow the drug into the cell.

Ok, so my example is one of acclimation. What about antibiotic-resistant bacteria?

[unriggable]

Proof of Evolution: The Human Immune System.

Every time the immune system adapts to fight off a new type of virus or bacteria, it is fundamentally different than it was before.

For example, when you were a small child, you probably got chicken pox. Then your body developed an immunity, that is to say that your immune system adapted to the virus thus preventing you from ever contracting the disease again.

This immunity you now have is fundamentally different from your previous immunities in that this disease will no longer affect you.

There you go. Evolution proved. Pencils down, class dismissed.

This is not evolution. You cannot pass this new immunity along to your offspring (i.e., your son or daughter would still be susceptible to chicken pox even though you have developed resistance).

I agree. That, and some people seem to note adaptation in place of evolution and there are fundamental differences between these two processes.

Not really, rat and mouse are proof.

[ParadiceCity9]

OK here's another thing I think should be said.

Evolution may not be the answer to where we are today. but creationisn is DEFINITELY not.

[moo_lol]

This "debate" is always funny to me. About 100% of the scientific community agrees that evolution is the way life diversified on this planet, so why do some people still insist that there are two sides to the issue?

[ParadiceCity9]

This "debate" is always funny to me. About 100% of the scientific community agrees that evolution is the way life diversified on this planet, so why do some people still insist that there are two sides to the issue?

just read my last post, i'm with you.

[Backglass]

This "debate" is always funny to me. About 100% of the scientific community agrees that evolution is the way life diversified on this planet, so why do some people still insist that there are two sides to the issue?

Because of this:

[ParadiceCity9]

This "debate" is always funny to me. About 100% of the scientific community agrees that evolution is the way life diversified on this planet, so why do some people still insist that there are two sides to the issue?

Because of this:

that makes me thirsty...but i can't figure out why...

[jay_a2j]

OK here's another thing I think should be said.

Evolution may not be the answer to where we are today. but creationisn is DEFINITELY not.

And you know this how?

[ParadiceCity9]

OK here's another thing I think should be said.

Evolution may not be the answer to where we are today. but creationisn is DEFINITELY not.

And you know this how?

Because it makes ABSOLUTELY no sense. And I mean ABSOLUTELY none. "God" did not make a man out of his rib bone, that's impossible. How do you believe that??!! I'd like to hear how that's possible.

btw this is my 1000th post (:

[jay_a2j]

OK here's another thing I think should be said.

Evolution may not be the answer to where we are today. but creationisn is DEFINITELY not.

And you know this how?

Because it makes ABSOLUTELY no sense. And I mean ABSOLUTELY none. "God" did not make a man out of his rib bone, that's impossible. How do you believe that??!! I'd like to hear how that's possible.

btw this is my 1000th post (:

God made man (Adam) from the dust of the Earth and He made woman (Eve) from Adam's rib. For God nothing is impossible!