AlgyTaylor wrote:AlgyTaylor wrote:Hold on, why is it evolution that needs to be defended anyway, since the vast majority of people agree that it's correct. You defend your point of view for a change!
OK, some problems I have with creationism.
1) As Jay has quite rightly said carbon dating is accurate to 70,000 years. The bible says the earth is considerably younger than that. Explain this glaringly obvious problem.
2) Why don't you find fossils of modern day animals? I mean, according to your reasoning surely there should be fossils of animals that lived 100 years ago ...
3) WITHOUT USING YOUR BIBLE, is there any actual evidence that you can point to that shows the earth was created. And please, don't go down the "it's too complicated for me to understand so therefore god did it" route either. I don't understand how Shakespeare managed to write brilliant plays but it doesn't mean that god did it for him. Actual evidence that you do understand that proves your idiotic theory.
That should give you something to be getting on with. I'll give you some more problems if/when you manage to answer those questions for me.
Will one of the two creationists here please try to answer these questions ...
1) Carbon-14 Dating:
At first it might appear that my belief in a 6,000-10,000 year old earth is contradicted by C14 dating. After all C14 is measurable (currently) to 70,000 years. Well that must be “proof” the earth is older than 10,000. However, there are some things to consider.
A) The ratio of C14/C12:
When scientists do C14 dating they assume a level of C14/C12 to analyze a specimen. Basically they know what the ratio is in the earth’s atmosphere now (C14/C12) and then measure the amount of C14 in the subject, the less C14 the older the object. That makes sense except there are two assumptions made.
The first is that the ratio of C14/C12 is the same now as it was when the specimen died. If it was not the same then the results of the age will be off.
Second the amount of C14 the specimens actually took in while it was alive. If this level was higher or lower than assumed, again the results would be off.
B) Percent Error:
Taking into account that we cannot be 100% sure of the two issues mentioned about we need to look at the differences in scale between what C14 dating measures and what each side of the issue claims as well.
Evolution:
Evolution says the coal, is up to 300 million of years old (
http://www.ket.org/Trips/Coal/AGSMM/AGSMMhow.html). Carbon dating measures them anywhere from 4,000 – 60,000 years old.
That is a lot of error, anywhere from 7,500,00- 500,000 % ERROR.
Now there have been theories that the coal is getting new C14 from Uranium decay and bacterial surrounding the coal but that has never been proven either.
Source: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/c14.html (possible ways that coal can gain C14)
Now diamonds are said to have been made at least 1 billion years ago.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond#Formation)
That is much more error than the coal deposit,
For a 58,000 C14 dated diamond that is 1,700,000 % error.
Plus diamonds have a unique lattice structure that makes is almost impossible to gain outside materials after formed.
(http://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/ce/Evidences.htm)
Creation:
Now looking to creation and the flood for the means by which these materials were made has much less % error.
Assuming the earth is 6,000 years old and coal or diamond is found to be 60,000, that is an error of 1000%. That is still quite large but not when compared to the HUGE error from the evolutionist perspective.
So, C14 dating may not prove a young earth, but it is much more inline with a younger (non evolution) earth.
2) Fossils
To understand why we don’t have fossils forming today, we need to see how fossils are made. Starts with burying and Followed by mineralization.
Source:http://www.mansfield.ohio-state.edu/~sabedon/biol1520.htm
If an animal or plant dies today and just falls to the ground, the natural processes of nature act against it and decompose the subject. Plants, jellyfish and fish require quick burial to be fossilized. If not buried quickly, then bacteria and the environment will destroy them.
There are many examples of fossils that exist that contradict the evolution theory that fossils are slowly covered and made over long periods of time (I will get to that is #3 below)
We don’t see fossils today in the woods or at the bottom of the lake or sea because the elements will destroy them. Quick burial and serration from the decomposing environment are required. The flood is a perfect explanation for the process of fossilization. (Again I will touch on this again below)
3) WITHOUT USING YOUR BIBLE, is there any actual evidence that you can point to that shows the earth was created.
This is the big one. I am still organizing the data. All previous references to this #3 are still valid I just don't have it done yet.
I wanted to post that way no one thought I was stopping.
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