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Norse wrote:But, alas, you are all cock munching rent boys, with an IQ that would make my local spaco clinic blush.
Neoteny wrote:As a biology major, I have to say that reading these threads is one of the most painful, depressing experiences. Observing such disrespect and closed-mindedness to my field of study, not to mention individuals much more intelligent than I, is nothing short of breathtaking. The distortions of facts and red herring tactics are amusing, albeit overused.
However, the masochist in me loves coming to these threads and reading the creative arguments that make for good conversation.![]()
I'm going to go ahead and preempt WidowMakers fossil argument as follows: I don't know where that "less than 0.1% of fossils are vertebrate fossils" statistic comes from but it doesn't sound improbable so I'll use it. If every organism died today and fossilized, I would bet that vertebrates would make up about 0.1% of the fossils. There are probably enough arthropods (insects, spiders, etc) in the world to dwarf vertebrate fossils to such a small statistic, and that's not including other inverts.
Additionally, if you, for some unknown reason, broke down and decided that the earth really is billions of years old, you might see that the amount of time that invertebrates have been around is much, much, much, much longer than vertebrates have been around, leaving plenty of time for those invertebrate fossils to build up. But then again, all that evolution nonsense is based on faith, right?
qwert wrote:Can i ask you something?What is porpose for you to open these Political topic in ConquerClub? Why you mix politic with Risk? Why you not open topic like HOT AND SEXY,or something like that.
WidowMakers wrote:Carebian Knight wrote:
Just wondering, are you still working on that? They've re-opened the thread and I don't have much time to argue with them.
Yes I have about 12 pages done. with about 12 more to go. I have had a lot to do with the foundry lately and outside of CC.
Here are the topics I will be discussing
DNA
Laws of Thermodynamics
Probability
Mutation Types
Micro Evolution vs Macro evolution
Irreducible Complexity
Rock Layer Ages
Fossils
Radiometric Dating
Plus some others.
Feel free to post this PM in the thread
WM
WidowMakers wrote:Yes I have about 12 pages done. with about 12 more to go.
MeDeFe wrote:Could someone (preferably Neoteny who seems to know about it or unriggable who mentioned it) explain this "junk DNA" to me? I'm assuming that it's DNA that does not fulfill any function per se. But I also assume that the chance that I'm dead wrong is about 99%.
Stopper wrote:I am quivering with anticipation to see exactly what Widowmakers has to say about the laws of thermodynamics, and how they (probably the Second) contradict evolution because I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYBODY MAKE THAT LINE OF ARGUMENT BEFORE!!!
Neoteny wrote:Oh yeah. I forgot about "junk" DNA. That's actually pretty technical stuff. I can see where some misunderstandings might come in to play. The problem with introns (and why it's so readily seized on by creationists) is that there is not a full scientific consensus on intron theory. Because we don't yet understand it fully, it is just assumed by fiat that the alternative (usually god) is responsible. Irreducible complexity and similar arguments (like junk DNA) where the opposing argument is just declared the winner are my least favorite to hear because they encourage intellectual laziness and irresponsibility. If we were to throw up our hands at everything we didn't know we would be without modern medicine, air conditioning, and ::gasp:: even computers.
"You don't understand the evolutionary patterns of antibiotic resistance in E. coli? It's ok. God will heal you. All the rest of us will look for ways to avoid shitting ourselves to death while you pray."
Bavarian Raven wrote:...what really gets me about this arguement is the basic facts...if the world was only created, what, 6 thousand years ago, how did so much errosion (sp) take place in that time???
Carebian Knight wrote:Bavarian Raven wrote:...what really gets me about this arguement is the basic facts...if the world was only created, what, 6 thousand years ago, how did so much errosion (sp) take place in that time???
I really hope you aren't talking about water erosion, because if you are then I feel sorry for you.
Bavarian Raven wrote:...but an even bigger issue would be "who created god?" for nothing can exist for ever...
Carebian Knight wrote:No, I'm not, but that's a good point as well.
Carebian Knight wrote:Bavarian Raven wrote: wrote:
...but an even bigger issue would be "who created god?" for nothing can exist for ever...
That doesn't make sense to me. I don't understand what you mean.
Neoteny wrote:Carebian Knight wrote:No, I'm not, but that's a good point as well.
"Flood geology" is never a good point... picking "facts" to support a hypothesis is not the way science is done.Carebian Knight wrote:Bavarian Raven wrote: wrote:
...but an even bigger issue would be "who created god?" for nothing can exist for ever...
That doesn't make sense to me. I don't understand what you mean.
Bavarian Raven is referring to the infinite regress that a god causes. If you need some power to create anything, then you need something to create that power, and another something to create that something, etc etc. Then we have to assume multiple god creating gods. It's just more logical to assume a gradual rise from simplicity to complexity, especially when we've found a convenient mechanism to explain how that complexity arose.
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