Europa [Quenched]

[Hrvat]

I think The Balkans countries are too small.

Those people should merge into one country and call it Yugoslavia or something.

Yogoslavia does not exist, in Europe or anywhere else

[Jesse710]

It's really hard to see some of the teritory names

[MarVal]

I think The Balkans countries are too small.

Those people should merge into one country and call it Yugoslavia or something.

Yogoslavia does not exist, in Europe or anywhere else

Yes, I agree with Hrvat.

I'm glad we now have a map thats been developed with all the countries and the real names of Europe countries in it.

Not just like the current "Europe" map with strange names like "Germany" as a continent and continent "Scandinavia" with the countries Estonia and Saint Petersburg, and "Belgium" as one country in the area with the Netherlands and Luxembourg!?

I think this is a great idea and it looks amazing on your first start

And about the Microstates (or ministates) as Andorra, Vatican City, Liechtenstein, Malta , San Marino and Monaco, you can maybe give it a number or letter and then in a legend of the Microstates you can place the names in it. Just a suggestion and maybe you can give them bonuses for holding 2, 3 for or more Microstates.

See also the European microstates (very small sovereign states) on:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_microstates

And if you need a helping hand, just let me know.

Grtz
Marval
Cartographer of the BeNeLux

[Qwert]

I complete support these map,and for old Europe map,maybe you dont notice,but these old map present Europe before 1990,because you have some country who now not exist(Western Germany,Eastern Germany,Chehoslovakia,Croatia(these will be change in Yugoslavia),so you can not compare old Europe map with new Europe 2.0 because these not same.

[tim02]

And you need to decide which continents Turkey and Russia go to.

[MrBenn]

New Map Update!


Changes:
-The non-playable areas are greyed out
-Map/Curvature lines have been added (this explains the funny UK/Spain angles)
-Meditteranean islands added
-Territory names moved, and some boundaries moved (particularly in Balkans)
-Some territory names abbreviated, and a key of these added
-Colours changed to show possible continent/sub-continent bonuses

[Skittles!]

Nice update, but a few things that need fixing up.

- Looking at your legend, you have the wrong colours for the Continents (E.g. British Isles is pink, Balkans is red as is Western Europe.)

- The border with Finland and European Russia is very thing, especially down the bottom. Maybe make it the same thickness as everything else?

Looking good anyway.

[Balsiefen]

Your sea routes are nice but very hard to see. could you make them bolder in some way.

[MrBenn]

I preferred the colours in my first version - I think they look a bit muted/bland now... Does anybody have suggestions for a colour scheme that will 'fizz', and allow the diffreentation of the required number of areas??

Oh, and before anybody mentions it, I know that the legend needs redoing!

[MrBenn]

The sea routes are on my to-do list... I'll have to put some new ones in for the Meditteranean Islands too...

[Blitzaholic]

Following earlier discussion about a new Europe map, here is my map so far:
updated 01/01/2008



Previous Versions:
Version 1

I like it, but why two?


and if so, we keeping both europe maps if this works out?

[tim02]

Don't like the way you did the continents in the south, you should have West Med. for all the Islands west of Italy should be a continent by itself.

East Med. should be Turkey Greece, Crete and Cyprus.

You'll be shot before you put Holland with Germany I suggest that you use The low Countries for BeNeLuxMake it there own.

You should now put Italy with all the countries inside part of The Continent Germany is in (I don't know what it is because you haven't redone the legend).

Russia should be part of "Asian borders"

Denmark, Iceland, Romania, Moldova, Slve. and Ireland don't have the same shade as the rest of there continent.

That was my opinion I hope it Helps

[AndyDufresne]

Be careful about small territories and placing the army shadow over them...Andorra, VC, Liech, etc.


--Andy

[Qwert]

Maybe these can help you(look in Wikipedia)

[MrBenn]

-Amended Legend Colours

I've updated the legend with continent colours. My idea for bonuses so far - (I'm open to other ideas too) - are:

Scandinavia (dark purple) to be a small bonus (+2), with another +2 for holding the other bits (light purple)

British Isles. UK (light yellow) something like +3. Possibly another +1 for Rep Ireland too.

Meditteranean. A bonus for the dark red areas, and another for hlding the islands too. I'm not convinced I've got the divisions right here yet, and like the suggestion for having East/West Med. This (and ocean routes) needs some more thought though...

Western Europe. I'm not sure what bonus / sub-continents make sense here, and am contemplating "moving" territories into Central Europe/Meditteranean continents with a possible East/West Med rethink...

Central Europe. At the moment I don't like this colour. I do like the Benelux sub-continet idea, and will try and remember to incorporate that into a future draft.

Eastern Europe and Baltics. Two sepearte continents, with the possibility of having a bigger bonus for holding both.

Asian Borders. The pale areas (+2)are bona fide European Countries, while Turkey and Russia are (currently) not. I want to keep these together, and don't want to put Turkey in the Med.

Balkans According to one site I researched, the 7 dark blue are proper 'Balkan' countries, and Romania, Moldova and Slovenia are sometimes included in this group. I want to keep the countries here as close as possible to real-life, and have taken a bit of creative license to the boundaries to get the names to fit, and am pleased with the end result. I'm thinking of a 'Classic' Asia-equivalent bonus for this continent

In addition to the standard continent bonuses, I have been toying with the idea of disputed area bonuses, which would attract a +1 autodeploy to a 'partner'... ie:
N Ireland+England = +1 on England; N Ireland +Rep Ireland = +1 on Rep Ireland
Cyprus + Greece = +1 on Greece; Cyprus+Turkey=+1 on Turkey
If I do go down this route, then the grey area between Lithuania/Poland (which is technically part of Russia) would become Kaliningrad, which could be disputed by Germany/Russia)

I'm aware this is now a really long post, and need to catch up on some rest, so will finish here!

Keep the suggestions coming!

[tim02]

I've posted what I think about the continents, and I don't think you have room in the legend for 2 for the british Isles +1 for The Irish republic for each and every one.

[MrBenn]

Don't like the way you did the continents in the south, you should have West Med. for all the Islands west of Italy should be a continent by itself.

East Med. should be Turkey Greece, Crete and Cyprus.

You'll be shot before you put Holland with Germany I suggest that you use The low Countries for BeNeLuxMake it there own.

You should now put Italy with all the countries inside part of The Continent Germany is in (I don't know what it is because you haven't redone the legend).

Russia should be part of "Asian borders"

Denmark, Iceland, Romania, Moldova, Slve. and Ireland don't have the same shade as the rest of there continent.

That was my opinion I hope it Helps

I added in the Meditteranean islands, which somebody suggested would improve gameplay/movement in the South. Since doing this, I am also not happy with the Meditteranean continents.

I will make the Low Countries/Benelux a sub-continent of Central Europe in a future draft.

Moving Italy (and San Marino/Vatican City) into Central Europe makes this continet too large (10 Countries), and I want to keep Italy in the Med.

Russia and Turkey are currently 'extended' members of Asian Borders.

[MrBenn]

I like the suggestion for East/West Med, and have mentioned that in an earlier post. This seperation of the Med into East/West is the bit that I want to sort out next, but am not too sure how best to do it...

I'm currently thinking:

Thought A
West Med: Italy, San Marino, Vatican City, Sardinia, Sicily, Malta (6)
East Med: Greece, Crete, Cyprus (3)
With the Balearics/Corsica in the overall Meditteranean continent, but with a +1 bonus for Balearics+Spain and France+Corsica

Thought B
Med: Italy, San Marino, Vatican City, Greece, Crete, Cyprus (6)
Med Islands: Balearics, Corsica, Sardinia, Sicily, Malta (5)

Any help/other ideas are always appreciated!

[tim02]

I think this map is way to small for overlaping continents, and with the low lands as it's own continent Italy (and the countries within) without any Islands could go into Central Europe and it would only be 7, and the dark blue has seven so it's not to big.

And another Idea split russia in 2 to go with the 2 small continentsit borders, (just throwing out everything here)

And corsica should be able to attack Monaco just to make that con. hard to hold.

Balearic Ilse. should not be part of the spanish continent but should be part of west med.

[MrBenn]

I like the suggestion for East/West Med, and have mentioned that in an earlier post. This seperation of the Med into East/West is the bit that I want to sort out next, but am not too sure how best to do it...

I'm currently thinking:

Thought A
West Med: Italy, San Marino, Vatican City, Sardinia, Sicily, Malta (6)
East Med: Greece, Crete, Cyprus (3)
With the Balearics/Corsica in the overall Meditteranean continent, but with a +1 bonus for Balearics+Spain and France+Corsica

Thought B
Med: Italy, San Marino, Vatican City, Greece, Crete, Cyprus (6)
Med Islands: Balearics, Corsica, Sardinia, Sicily, Malta (5)

Any help/other ideas are always appreciated!

I'm looking for a consensus opinion...

[MPL]

A agree with Tim02 and think option b really wouldn't work at all.

[MrBenn]

Right, I've wasted the evening updating the map, and have a new version ready to post:


Changes:
-Rejigged the colours closer to how I preferred them originally.
-Updated the legend with a new style, and tentative bonuses
-Added and upgraded the ocean routes
-Moved some army circles and territory names

[Coleman]

I'm impressed enough to move this. I probably could have earlier but wanted to see one more draft. Good work.

[RjBeals]

MrBenn - I knew we had to keep an eye on you. Excellent first map. Very impressed.

Your water looks great. Your long/latitude lines are a great addition. Although not as smooth as some may like, I think your borders are perfect. Lots of good things, but I'll comment on some of the thing I feel you need to adjust.

1) Sea route dots could be a little more defined. Maybe the dots could be closer together (edit.. the more i look at them, the more i think they are fine).

2) I think it's been mentioned that some of your legend colors are not matching the map.

3) The legend in general I'm just not feeling. It's okay, but it looks too simple. Almost like you created it as an afterthought, in like 3 minutes. It does it's job, but maybe dress it up a little. Maybe it's just the plain bevel and rectangular shape that I don't care for.

4) I think your army circles may be a bit to opaque. Maybe lighten just a tad.

5) I ran into trouble with my map when asked to submit 3-digit armies for review. they overlapped some territory names and I had to adjust. Keep that in mind when your placing circles to the left of the names, "SI" Latvia" "Slovakia"... It was a pain to work around after I had the borders worked out. Just be aware, especially when working the small map.

6) Have you tried or thought of putting some sort of light texture on the territories? Colors look good, but maybe to dress it up a little. What about some mountains to create impassable borders?

I'll keep track of the map MrBenn - don't take my comments harsh, as I think you have done a great job in the past few pages. Anxious to see where you take this.

[edbeard]

First things first. I really like what you're doing with this map.


1. You still have the issue of smaller countries/city areas being hidden. I'm not sure if a line from the territory name to the city would look tacky, but something probably needs to be done. I'm talking Lux., Liech., SM, VC, Andorra, and Monaco.


2. I would probably recommend moving the Corsica, and Balearic Islands army circles so that the colour of the island underneath is evident.


3. a couple of your water routes need clarification. The first ties in with point one above. Monaco to Corsica. Maybe I'm being silly, but probably a few people will think it connects to France. If you can clear up the city thing a bit somewhat, then maybe this issue goes away.

the second one is the England to France connection. I just didn't see it the first time around. Maybe move it so that the connection is located on the west end and it might become more evident with that open water around there.

I just noticed that you might be able to say the same thing about the other connections in the British Isles. They're probably OK but if they were more visible somehow (maybe just location-wise they just aren't in the optimal spots) that couldn't hurt. Probably the same thing could be said for the Malta connection. With so few dots, I just didn't notice it. Obviously it's going to connect there, but from a visual standpoint, I think it could be better.