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1 trillion, to me, shows we have officially lost our minds. Already, the next day, people are realizing it's not enough, and will patch things up for a bit, and the contagion will most likely spill through again much sooner than they had hoped.Fruitcake wrote:I am gven to understand that the 800 Billion is an EU package, with 720 coming from the Euro zone and 80 from EU, non Euro members. Of course, as always, they are light on details. However, added to this is a commitment by the ECB to purchase Eurozone debt in a sterilized manner plus an agreement by the major central banks to reinstitute currency swaps to help banks with liquidity difficulties in particular currencies mainly the dollar.
The purchase of PIGS bonds by the EU will be targeted at particular parts of the yield curve eg 2 year Greeks where rates hit 40% last week and there was no market in these bonds. There are a couple of other points, but I still cannot see how this will resolve the problems in the medium term. The Greeks will settle for the summer as the tourist season gets under way, but come September/Autumn, the streets will hear the rattle of riots once more. The main contributor to all this, the German people, gave Merkel a spectacular bloody nose yesterday in the Ruhr Westphalia local elections and Merkel lost control of the German upper house. The comments in the daily newspapers are starting to sound shrill as the papers push public opinion in the direction of hard working Germans bailing out idle, early retiring Greeks. The Bund / Greek 10 year bond spread has shrunk this morning, but I am holding steady, the markets take a longer term view than the Politicians and I still forecast that spread increasing again within a few months.
I took a crap, and it's a 12 wiper. I ran out of TP. got any Euros?army of nobunaga wrote:rofl... in 2 weeks I may be buying euro after it bottoms out. You guys helping feed the paranoia will make me money. Frankly, I do not understand the euro in that I dont get why so many countries thought it was a good Idea... I never will, because it was not a great idea. But those said countries for whatever reason really believe in the EU. It will not fail. Im sorry.
euro is at a 14 or 15 month low atm.. I think it will hit its rock bottom soon... 2-3 weeks after the paranoia lifts.. then it will be time to invest
Your time scales are way out. 2-3 weeks? I would still be shorting it at that point.army of nobunaga wrote:rofl... in 2 weeks I may be buying euro after it bottoms out. You guys helping feed the paranoia will make me money. Frankly, I do not understand the euro in that I dont get why so many countries thought it was a good Idea... I never will, because it was not a great idea. But those said countries for whatever reason really believe in the EU. It will not fail. Im sorry.
euro is at a 14 or 15 month low atm.. I think it will hit its rock bottom soon... 2-3 weeks after the paranoia lifts.. then it will be time to invest
I don't really see how they could have just let Greece default... that could easily lead to the failure of most major European banks.BigBallinStalin wrote:This is the Western world's immediate future hanging in the balance. They're doling out large amounts of cash and devaluing their currency, while East Asia steadily builds, steadily develops. They're taking one small territory at a time, taking a card, grabbing every 10 flat rate bonus and storing it, while the West is blowing their load all over the place only on the 1st round. Dumb newbs.
Should've cut off Greece like a lepered arm.
Well, the opportunity to put Greece in their pocket was too lucrative of a deal to pass up. They'll be paying off their debt for a long time coming while being at the whim of the US and/or the more powerful European nations.DeltaFormation wrote:I don't really see how they could have just let Greece default... that could easily lead to the failure of most major European banks.BigBallinStalin wrote:This is the Western world's immediate future hanging in the balance. They're doling out large amounts of cash and devaluing their currency, while East Asia steadily builds, steadily develops. They're taking one small territory at a time, taking a card, grabbing every 10 flat rate bonus and storing it, while the West is blowing their load all over the place only on the 1st round. Dumb newbs.
Should've cut off Greece like a lepered arm.
A bail out might not have been the best option but having the entire banking system collapse isn't better.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 0#p5349880
army of nobunaga wrote:lol, no it wont be... but i like you.
Been watching the Euro since .87. Forgive me if I do not gaga over 1.24Fruitcake wrote:Your time scales are way out. 2-3 weeks? I would still be shorting it at that point.army of nobunaga wrote:rofl... in 2 weeks I may be buying euro after it bottoms out. You guys helping feed the paranoia will make me money. Frankly, I do not understand the euro in that I dont get why so many countries thought it was a good Idea... I never will, because it was not a great idea. But those said countries for whatever reason really believe in the EU. It will not fail. Im sorry.
euro is at a 14 or 15 month low atm.. I think it will hit its rock bottom soon... 2-3 weeks after the paranoia lifts.. then it will be time to invest
Spartacus may be in order....DeltaFormation wrote:I don't really see how they could have just let Greece default... that could easily lead to the failure of most major European banks.BigBallinStalin wrote:This is the Western world's immediate future hanging in the balance. They're doling out large amounts of cash and devaluing their currency, while East Asia steadily builds, steadily develops. They're taking one small territory at a time, taking a card, grabbing every 10 flat rate bonus and storing it, while the West is blowing their load all over the place only on the 1st round. Dumb newbs.
Should've cut off Greece like a lepered arm.
A bail out might not have been the best option but having the entire banking system collapse isn't better.
If this were a WW3 chess board, I would call this "the Queen coming out"saxitoxin wrote:EU TO UK: "WE WILL PUNISH YOU"
Britain has been warned it will be punished by Europe if the pound is hit by a financial crisis, after refusing to support a massive euro bail-out. Officials from both euro and non-euro countries said Britain should not ask for help if it runs into trouble because it had not signed up to a £378 billion support fund. "Europe's jerks once again!," declared the headline on yesterday's front page of Bild, Germany's biggest-selling newspaper.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... risis.html
Meanwhile, the dominoes continued to fall as Obama orders Spain to begin austerity measures:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/whos-runnin ... -euro.html
A chess board or a drag show?Phatscotty wrote:
If this were a WW3 chess board, I would call this "the Queen coming out"
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 0#p5349880
I wouldn't be surprised to see the Euro fall below parity within the next 12 months.Phatscotty wrote:Been watching the Euro since .87. Forgive me if I do not gaga over 1.24Fruitcake wrote:Your time scales are way out. 2-3 weeks? I would still be shorting it at that point.army of nobunaga wrote:rofl... in 2 weeks I may be buying euro after it bottoms out. You guys helping feed the paranoia will make me money. Frankly, I do not understand the euro in that I dont get why so many countries thought it was a good Idea... I never will, because it was not a great idea. But those said countries for whatever reason really believe in the EU. It will not fail. Im sorry.
euro is at a 14 or 15 month low atm.. I think it will hit its rock bottom soon... 2-3 weeks after the paranoia lifts.. then it will be time to invest
You know, when I first started to look at all this stuff, I could not even imagine what it would look like when the house of cards actually did fall down and everybody saw the emperor had no clothes. May you live in interesting timesFruitcake wrote:I wouldn't be surprised to see the Euro fall below parity within the next 12 months.Phatscotty wrote:Been watching the Euro since .87. Forgive me if I do not gaga over 1.24Fruitcake wrote:Your time scales are way out. 2-3 weeks? I would still be shorting it at that point.army of nobunaga wrote:rofl... in 2 weeks I may be buying euro after it bottoms out. You guys helping feed the paranoia will make me money. Frankly, I do not understand the euro in that I dont get why so many countries thought it was a good Idea... I never will, because it was not a great idea. But those said countries for whatever reason really believe in the EU. It will not fail. Im sorry.
euro is at a 14 or 15 month low atm.. I think it will hit its rock bottom soon... 2-3 weeks after the paranoia lifts.. then it will be time to invest
you know my best friend in 1997 begged me to use all my savings and even take a loan out to buy gold. He - was - right. And I learned the meaning of the Iowa Farmer's saying "God hates a weenie"Phatscotty wrote:army of nobunaga wrote:lol, no it wont be... but i like you.
Was his name Scott?army of nobunaga wrote:you know my best friend in 1997 begged me to use all my savings and even take a loan out to buy gold. He - was - right. And I learned the meaning of the Iowa Farmer's saying "God hates a weenie"Phatscotty wrote:army of nobunaga wrote:lol, no it wont be... but i like you.
Yeah. I used to be that guy, trying to make my friends buy gold. Most of them called me an idiot and laughed. That was about the time I forced people to scream in my face "But real estate only goes up Scott, you big dummy!" followed by "Everyone knows that!!!"army of nobunaga wrote:lol, he also practically MADE me buy gold coins that he got at price back then. I have 12 gold coins that I have no idea what are worth now still. I did it jsut to shut him up... I wish to god I had bought more. I talk to him about 8 times a year still, and he is big enough not to say I told you so. He says now to invest in gold and other metal mines.