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Fruitcake wrote:I am gven to understand that the 800 Billion is an EU package, with 720 coming from the Euro zone and 80 from EU, non Euro members. Of course, as always, they are light on details. However, added to this is a commitment by the ECB to purchase Eurozone debt in a sterilized manner plus an agreement by the major central banks to reinstitute currency swaps to help banks with liquidity difficulties in particular currencies mainly the dollar.
The purchase of PIGS bonds by the EU will be targeted at particular parts of the yield curve eg 2 year Greeks where rates hit 40% last week and there was no market in these bonds. There are a couple of other points, but I still cannot see how this will resolve the problems in the medium term. The Greeks will settle for the summer as the tourist season gets under way, but come September/Autumn, the streets will hear the rattle of riots once more. The main contributor to all this, the German people, gave Merkel a spectacular bloody nose yesterday in the Ruhr Westphalia local elections and Merkel lost control of the German upper house. The comments in the daily newspapers are starting to sound shrill as the papers push public opinion in the direction of hard working Germans bailing out idle, early retiring Greeks. The Bund / Greek 10 year bond spread has shrunk this morning, but I am holding steady, the markets take a longer term view than the Politicians and I still forecast that spread increasing again within a few months.
army of nobunaga wrote:rofl... in 2 weeks I may be buying euro after it bottoms out. You guys helping feed the paranoia will make me money. Frankly, I do not understand the euro in that I dont get why so many countries thought it was a good Idea... I never will, because it was not a great idea. But those said countries for whatever reason really believe in the EU. It will not fail. Im sorry.
euro is at a 14 or 15 month low atm.. I think it will hit its rock bottom soon... 2-3 weeks after the paranoia lifts.. then it will be time to invest
army of nobunaga wrote:rofl... in 2 weeks I may be buying euro after it bottoms out. You guys helping feed the paranoia will make me money. Frankly, I do not understand the euro in that I dont get why so many countries thought it was a good Idea... I never will, because it was not a great idea. But those said countries for whatever reason really believe in the EU. It will not fail. Im sorry.
euro is at a 14 or 15 month low atm.. I think it will hit its rock bottom soon... 2-3 weeks after the paranoia lifts.. then it will be time to invest
BigBallinStalin wrote:This is the Western world's immediate future hanging in the balance. They're doling out large amounts of cash and devaluing their currency, while East Asia steadily builds, steadily develops. They're taking one small territory at a time, taking a card, grabbing every 10 flat rate bonus and storing it, while the West is blowing their load all over the place only on the 1st round. Dumb newbs.
Should've cut off Greece like a lepered arm.
DeltaFormation wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:This is the Western world's immediate future hanging in the balance. They're doling out large amounts of cash and devaluing their currency, while East Asia steadily builds, steadily develops. They're taking one small territory at a time, taking a card, grabbing every 10 flat rate bonus and storing it, while the West is blowing their load all over the place only on the 1st round. Dumb newbs.
Should've cut off Greece like a lepered arm.
I don't really see how they could have just let Greece default... that could easily lead to the failure of most major European banks.
A bail out might not have been the best option but having the entire banking system collapse isn't better.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=241668&start=200#p5349880
army of nobunaga wrote:lol, no it wont be... but i like you.
Fruitcake wrote:army of nobunaga wrote:rofl... in 2 weeks I may be buying euro after it bottoms out. You guys helping feed the paranoia will make me money. Frankly, I do not understand the euro in that I dont get why so many countries thought it was a good Idea... I never will, because it was not a great idea. But those said countries for whatever reason really believe in the EU. It will not fail. Im sorry.
euro is at a 14 or 15 month low atm.. I think it will hit its rock bottom soon... 2-3 weeks after the paranoia lifts.. then it will be time to invest
Your time scales are way out. 2-3 weeks? I would still be shorting it at that point.
DeltaFormation wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:This is the Western world's immediate future hanging in the balance. They're doling out large amounts of cash and devaluing their currency, while East Asia steadily builds, steadily develops. They're taking one small territory at a time, taking a card, grabbing every 10 flat rate bonus and storing it, while the West is blowing their load all over the place only on the 1st round. Dumb newbs.
Should've cut off Greece like a lepered arm.
I don't really see how they could have just let Greece default... that could easily lead to the failure of most major European banks.
A bail out might not have been the best option but having the entire banking system collapse isn't better.
saxitoxin wrote:EU TO UK: "WE WILL PUNISH YOU"
Britain has been warned it will be punished by Europe if the pound is hit by a financial crisis, after refusing to support a massive euro bail-out. Officials from both euro and non-euro countries said Britain should not ask for help if it runs into trouble because it had not signed up to a £378 billion support fund. "Europe's jerks once again!," declared the headline on yesterday's front page of Bild, Germany's biggest-selling newspaper.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... risis.html
Meanwhile, the dominoes continued to fall as Obama orders Spain to begin austerity measures:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/whos-runnin ... -euro.html
Phatscotty wrote:
If this were a WW3 chess board, I would call this "the Queen coming out"
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=241668&start=200#p5349880
Phatscotty wrote:Fruitcake wrote:army of nobunaga wrote:rofl... in 2 weeks I may be buying euro after it bottoms out. You guys helping feed the paranoia will make me money. Frankly, I do not understand the euro in that I dont get why so many countries thought it was a good Idea... I never will, because it was not a great idea. But those said countries for whatever reason really believe in the EU. It will not fail. Im sorry.
euro is at a 14 or 15 month low atm.. I think it will hit its rock bottom soon... 2-3 weeks after the paranoia lifts.. then it will be time to invest
Your time scales are way out. 2-3 weeks? I would still be shorting it at that point.
Been watching the Euro since .87. Forgive me if I do not gaga over 1.24
Fruitcake wrote:Phatscotty wrote:Fruitcake wrote:army of nobunaga wrote:rofl... in 2 weeks I may be buying euro after it bottoms out. You guys helping feed the paranoia will make me money. Frankly, I do not understand the euro in that I dont get why so many countries thought it was a good Idea... I never will, because it was not a great idea. But those said countries for whatever reason really believe in the EU. It will not fail. Im sorry.
euro is at a 14 or 15 month low atm.. I think it will hit its rock bottom soon... 2-3 weeks after the paranoia lifts.. then it will be time to invest
Your time scales are way out. 2-3 weeks? I would still be shorting it at that point.
Been watching the Euro since .87. Forgive me if I do not gaga over 1.24
I wouldn't be surprised to see the Euro fall below parity within the next 12 months.
Phatscotty wrote:army of nobunaga wrote:lol, no it wont be... but i like you.
army of nobunaga wrote:Phatscotty wrote:army of nobunaga wrote:lol, no it wont be... but i like you.
you know my best friend in 1997 begged me to use all my savings and even take a loan out to buy gold. He - was - right. And I learned the meaning of the Iowa Farmer's saying "God hates a weenie"
army of nobunaga wrote:lol, he also practically MADE me buy gold coins that he got at price back then. I have 12 gold coins that I have no idea what are worth now still. I did it jsut to shut him up... I wish to god I had bought more. I talk to him about 8 times a year still, and he is big enough not to say I told you so. He says now to invest in gold and other metal mines.
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