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http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/201 ... -pay_N.htm

Pretty interesting read there.

Love the comments too. There's one guy who thinks he has it all figured out. If I had my druthers, I'd log on and tell him:

"While the government employees do, in fact, pay taxes, the companies competing with the government pay taxes to the government. Let me give you an example - Company X and Company Y are competing for the same employee. Company X steals Company Y's money and they can afford to give a higher salary to the employee. Done. You understand now?"

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Average Salary for Federal Employee - $72,000

Average Private sector job - $40,000.

http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/ne ... st.art.htm
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So much for the phrase "public servant".
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Phatscotty wrote:Average Salary for Federal Employee - $72,000

Average Private sector job - $40,000.
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#1 the largest percentage of private sector jobs are so-called "low skill" and "no skilled" jobs that get barely minimum wage.. often part-time minimum wage. Almost all government jobs are skilled jobs.

In the natural resources fields, in particular, you often need to have a Masters degree to get a temporary, seasonal job with no benefits other than vacation and sick pay (these are not the base requirements, they are the realistic requiremetns).

#2 Government jobs generate and save taxpayers money. Companies make money for themselves.
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"Government jobs generate and save taxpayers money"?!?!?!?!
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Borderdawg wrote:"Government jobs generate and save taxpayers money"?!?!?!?!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Yes. Most of the jobs the government does are necessary jobs that don't have an immediate profitable outcome.

Collecting taxes, doing a vast amount of research into many things, ranging from medicine to natural resources, etc. ALL of this, everything collected by the government is available for free. In the case of he NIH, they are required, by law to give the medical advances to private companies who then are able to patent it and make a profit.

When these activities have been turned over to private industry, they do not, in fact save us money. From Blackwater to the Big Dig to IRS collection, etc, mandates to accomplish things combined with a motive for profit leave us paying far, far more than we would to have government employees do the same jobs.

So, are all the jobs necessary? I realize many of you wish to say "no". But that is extremely short-sited and largely due to complete ignorance over the many things the government actually does.

Natural parks are not simply for enjoyment. They protect our natural heritage, but in a way becoming more and more important are acting as storehouses for the genetic diversity that used to cover our country. Many other things, from the arts to athropology, etc don't have immediate and direct commercial benefits, but have long-lasting priceless benefits to our society. Just think of the library of Congress, for example, where a copy of virtually every book ever written in the US is stored. Granted, many of them are garbage. However, many are not. Further, much of the absolutely not garbage appeared to have little value initially.

Then move on to things like soil studies, and you have research that has literally kept us from another dust bowl, helped prevent depression after depression. Yes, we are in trouble right now.. but it is not due to failures of government biologic research. It is due to LACK of control over the banking industry because too many people decided that those regulations were "impeding business".

Now, as for pay rates... My former bosses EACH has PhDs EACH were published many times in their fields, cited as experts for internationally recognized research. Not. perhaps nobel prize research (though in one case.. it came close). NONE of them made more than $50,000 in the same exact year that a student graduating with a BS in computer technology related fields could expect a STARTING wage of $40,000.

Yes, there are absolutely high-paid government employees. The heads of agencis, the TOP people may make $100,000 plus. However, compare that to what your average CEO makes. Yet, the education and responsibility, the impact to our nation, yes, the benefits provided... be it in increasing trade, discovering new things or, yes, regulating things so the profiteers don't get too out of hand... they far outweigh the benefits provided by most CEOs. In fact, if you are talking about companies like Walmart, even GM, then I would strongly argue that those wages, those CEOs are doing, have done far more to HARM our country and at a far greater cost than any government employee.

So, yes, when you look at reality and not just the right-wing hype, goverment employees are a VERY good bargain for this country.
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Player, do you know how much a state defense lawyer makes? After a few years they make well over 100K. Simply put there are some extremely well payed government employees out there. People who work for the government are in it for the money, just like the rest of us when it comes to a job.
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edocsil wrote:Player, do you know how much a state defense lawyer makes? After a few years they make well over 100K. Simply put there are some extremely well payed government employees out there. People who work for the government are in it for the money, just like the rest of us when it comes to a job.
Yes but lawyers make money like crazy anyway. That article in the OP has a list where you can see that.
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edocsil wrote:Player, do you know how much a state defense lawyer makes? After a few years they make well over 100K. Simply put there are some extremely well payed government employees out there. People who work for the government are in it for the money, just like the rest of us when it comes to a job.
There are a few exceptions, yes, as I noted.

However, it still in no way compares to what corporate attorneys make. Compare apples to apples, not oranges.
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PLAYER57832 wrote:#1 the largest percentage of private sector jobs are so-called "low skill" and "no skilled" jobs that get barely minimum wage.. often part-time minimum wage. Almost all government jobs are skilled jobs.

In the natural resources fields, in particular, you often need to have a Masters degree to get a temporary, seasonal job with no benefits other than vacation and sick pay (these are not the base requirements, they are the realistic requiremetns).

#2 Government jobs generate and save taxpayers money. Companies make money for themselves.
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Phatscotty wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
#2 Government jobs generate and save taxpayers money. Companies make money for themselves.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I feel guilty for laughing

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Phatscotty wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:#1 the largest percentage of private sector jobs are so-called "low skill" and "no skilled" jobs that get barely minimum wage.. often part-time minimum wage. Almost all government jobs are skilled jobs.

In the natural resources fields, in particular, you often need to have a Masters degree to get a temporary, seasonal job with no benefits other than vacation and sick pay (these are not the base requirements, they are the realistic requiremetns).

#2 Government jobs generate and save taxpayers money. Companies make money for themselves.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I feel guilty for laughing
You should feel like an idiot for not believing it.

Especially since you so obviously did NOT go verify anything I said. (hint -- its ALL TRUE!).
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1. Companies are supposed to make money for themselves...its why you start a business....durrrr

2. Government has only increased taxes since the time the began to be a government.
Also the more government jobs there are the MORE TAXES ARE NEED TO PAY THESE GOVERNMENT WORKERS!!!

Maybe the government workers themselves pay less taxes but the money to pay their wages comes from us and the more of them there are the more taxes we pay.

Companies pay their employees based of the sales of the company.


:roll: simple economics are lost on the masses
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Imaweasel wrote:1. Companies are supposed to make money for themselves...its why you start a business....durrrr

2. Government has only increased taxes since the time the began to be a government.
Also the more government jobs there are the MORE TAXES ARE NEED TO PAY THESE GOVERNMENT WORKERS!!!

Maybe the government workers themselves pay less taxes but the money to pay their wages comes from us and the more of them there are the more taxes we pay.

Companies pay their employees based of the sales of the company.


:roll: simple economics are lost on the masses
No, because most government jobs are not inherently profitable in the SHORT TERM. However, without the things government employees do, be it research or designing projects, not to mention protection, etc. people would not be able to have those businesses that make money.

These comparisons are not even close to realistic ... and note that USA today specifically chose jobs that actually do have private sector comparisons. Many government jobs have no true comparable private job.

The government should not be doing things that the private sector can do. BUT, that's just it. They mostly don't. Unless you, perhaps count contracting things like prisons, etc. Then, they cost more and often give poorer quality to boot!

Economics is, at BEST a very, very shortterm science... and must never overrule basic facts of the natural environment.

Ignorance of those facts are what caused the dust bowl, what caused near collapse or actual collapse of fisheries around the world, and yes, what is now contributing heavily to our current economic woes.
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thegreekdog wrote:http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-03-04-federal-pay_N.htm

Pretty interesting read there.

Love the comments too. There's one guy who thinks he has it all figured out. If I had my druthers, I'd log on and tell him:

"While the government employees do, in fact, pay taxes, the companies competing with the government pay taxes to the government. Let me give you an example - Company X and Company Y are competing for the same employee. Company X steals Company Y's money and they can afford to give a higher salary to the employee. Done. You understand now?"

I hate people.

Many of the jobs that seem to have identical titles are, in fact, not even close to the same. That is absolutely true for pilots, for example. Cooks, too... government cooks are working in prisons, for the military or for high-powered government offices such as the White house, diplomatic missions, etc. This doesn' really compare well to Chichi's cook.. sorry.
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No, because most government jobs are not inherently profitable in the SHORT TERM. However, without the things government employees do, be it research or designing projects, not to mention protection, etc. people would not be able to have those businesses that make money.

These comparisons are not even close to realistic ... and note that USA today specifically chose jobs that actually do have private sector comparisons. Many government jobs have no true comparable private job.[/quote]


Private sector has always been able to do things for itself...the government is the one who think private sector needs to be "helped"

Private sector is well able to research and do things on its own. We have people building their own space exploration craft...like seriously the private sector, if unprohibited by big government, can do anything. People rise to the challenge. Its capitalism
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Imaweasel wrote:
Private sector is well able to research and do things on its own. We have people building their own space exploration craft...like seriously the private sector, if unprohibited by big government, can do anything. People rise to the challenge. Its capitalism
The private sector is great for researching things that will MAKE A PROFIT.

They are terrible at researching anything that does not make a direct and immediate profit.

In medicine, they are great at finding drugs like Viagra or the latest allergy medicine, but cures for diseases? They could not even be bothered to do research into Malaria, which some say harmed more people during the Vietnahm war than injuries. In fact the government TRIED to get private companies interested, but they refused. It was the NIH that did it.

Similarly, you are not going to get private companies to research why their products are terrible .. to find pollutants that cause injury, etc.

In very recent times, companies have begun researching animals in parks, etc. However, those parks and the animals/plants within them would not be there were it not for government protection years ago, when they were otherwise considered worthless.
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Imaweasel wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
#2 Government jobs generate and save taxpayers money. Companies make money for themselves.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I feel guilty for laughing

ummmmmmm :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: .....yeah
A government jobs cost 2.5 times as much as the job pays itself. not to mention the cost of building the facility with 800$ toilet seats and state of the art pencil sharpeners.

and MEDEFE kiss my ass, those numbers are so well known to be the truth, it needs no source, you can do that on your own, and then scratch your head cuz and realize you dont know shit. so far all you have contributed to this thread is the fact the you are clueless to federal vs. private sector salaries. I didnt make the numbers up, and you sir have disqualified yourself from any credibility you pretend to have on this topic.

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Phatscotty wrote:
Imaweasel wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
#2 Government jobs generate and save taxpayers money. Companies make money for themselves.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I feel guilty for laughing

ummmmmmm :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: .....yeah
A government jobs cost 2.5 times as much as the job pays itself. not to mention the cost of building the facility with 800$ toilet seats and state of the art pencil sharpeners.
Source?

And I highly doubt your "2.5 times" even begins take into account the real and true benefits of all the science research done by the government, never mind things like controlling company excesses and other "inconveniences" to corporations.
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, those numbers are so well known to be the truth, it needs no source
,

No, they are not "known"... and, as I said, are irrelevant anyway because there is no real and direct comparison to the private sector.

THAT is the point both you and weasel keep ignoring.
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I aint finding the sources for ya. I gain nothing by making up numbers, but I do gain satisfaction that you are publicly going into depth about how little you know. I have seen the sources, and it's all actually quite simple.... OK fine, on second thought I will display the sources since it is not solely doing homework for "the enlightened" such as yourselves, but it also contributes to the thread. This information is so available and common sense, I hardly think after this I am going to take anything you say in the future as credible.


For feds, more get 6-figure salaries
Average pay $30,000 over private sector

By Dennis Cauchon
USA TODAY
The growth in six-figure salaries has pushed the average federal worker's pay to $71,206, compared with $40,331 in the private sector.
http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/ne ... st.art.htm

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The number of federal workers earning six-figure salaries has exploded during the recession, according to a USA TODAY analysis of federal salary data.

Federal employees making salaries of $100,000 or more jumped from 14% to 19% of civil servants during the recession's first 18 months — and that's before overtime pay and bonuses are counted.

Federal workers are enjoying an extraordinary boom time — in pay and hiring — during a recession that has cost 7.3 million jobs in the private sector.

The highest-paid federal employees are doing best of all on salary increases. Defense Department civilian employees earning $150,000 or more increased from 1,868 in December 2007 to 10,100 in June 2009, the most recent figure available.

When the recession started, the Transportation Department had only one person earning a salary of $170,000 or more. Eighteen months later, 1,690 employees had salaries above $170,000.

The trend to six-figure salaries is occurring throughout the federal government, in agencies big and small, high-tech and low-tech. The primary cause: substantial pay raises and new salary rules.

"There's no way to justify this to the American people. It's ridiculous," says Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, a first-term lawmaker who is on the House's federal workforce subcommittee.
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Phatscotty wrote:
Imaweasel wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
#2 Government jobs generate and save taxpayers money. Companies make money for themselves.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I feel guilty for laughing

ummmmmmm :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: .....yeah
A government jobs cost 2.5 times as much as the job pays itself. not to mention the cost of building the facility with 800$ toilet seats and state of the art pencil sharpeners.

and MEDEFE kiss my ass, those numbers are so well known to be the truth, it needs no source, you can do that on your own, and then scratch your head cuz and realize you dont know shit. so far all you have contributed to this thread is the fact the you are clueless to federal vs. private sector salaries. I didnt make the numbers up, and you sir have disqualified yourself from any credibility you pretend to have on this topic.

That bright thing in the sky is the sun....here is the source http://joanharvest.files.wordpress.com/ ... umbass.jpg. better?
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Snorri1234 wrote:Phatscotty is a troll.
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john9blue wrote:
Snorri1234 wrote:Phatscotty is a troll.
And he just won.
Won what?
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Snorri1234 wrote:Won what?
When you guys fall back on PIAT it becomes clear that you don't have any way to refute what he said.

Also if he really WAS a troll, then he still wins, because you constantly respond to him.

Pretty sure he's not a troll though... ;)
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