Now that I'm unbanned, can we have a civil discussion...

[Army of GOD]

...as to why I wasn't unbanned before when there was a clear and distinct grand majority of people who thought my ban wasn't deserved? I thought the mods were in existence for the betterment of the community? What if the community disagrees with a mod's decision? You're saying that that decision isn't going to be over-turned to protect the pride of the mod?

[Frigidus]

I thought the mods were in existence for the betterment of the community?

lol

[lilrvrgrl]

if you still have a problem with the ruling then open up an E-Ticket about it and hear the same thing from another mod

[john9blue]

Democracy is overrated anyway.

[muy_thaiguy]

Democracy is overrated anyway.

Let's switch to an Absolute Monarchy then.

[Juan_Bottom]

We have that. Lack knows everything that goes on here.

Let's just stop paying him.

[TheForgivenOne]

...as to why I wasn't unbanned before when there was a clear and distinct grand majority of people who thought my ban wasn't deserved? I thought the mods were in existence for the betterment of the community? What if the community disagrees with a mod's decision? You're saying that that decision isn't going to be over-turned to protect the pride of the mod?

Don't you think if the ban was lifted based on the fact that the majority of the community thought it was wrong, would bans ever stick?

I bet the community would use your case and try to lift future bans.

"WE ALL THINK [insert username here]'s BAN SHOULD BE LIFTED"

[jonesthecurl]

...and the problem with that would be what? That the mods couldn't go against the wishes of the community?

[BigBallinStalin]

...as to why I wasn't unbanned before when there was a clear and distinct grand majority of people who thought my ban wasn't deserved? I thought the mods were in existence for the betterment of the community? What if the community disagrees with a mod's decision? You're saying that that decision isn't going to be over-turned to protect the pride of the mod?

Don't you think if the ban was lifted based on the fact that the majority of the community thought it was wrong, would bans ever stick?

I bet the community would use your case and try to lift future bans.

"WE ALL THINK [insert username here]'s BAN SHOULD BE LIFTED"

[Victor Sullivan]

...as to why I wasn't unbanned before when there was a clear and distinct grand majority of people who thought my ban wasn't deserved? I thought the mods were in existence for the betterment of the community? What if the community disagrees with a mod's decision? You're saying that that decision isn't going to be over-turned to protect the pride of the mod?

This is exactly why I suggested this: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 4&t=133318

I suggest you show your support

-Sully

[Army of GOD]

...as to why I wasn't unbanned before when there was a clear and distinct grand majority of people who thought my ban wasn't deserved? I thought the mods were in existence for the betterment of the community? What if the community disagrees with a mod's decision? You're saying that that decision isn't going to be over-turned to protect the pride of the mod?

Don't you think if the ban was lifted based on the fact that the majority of the community thought it was wrong, would bans ever stick?

I bet the community would use your case and try to lift future bans.

"WE ALL THINK [insert username here]'s BAN SHOULD BE LIFTED"

If the community wants it, then why would the mods protest? If they're HERE for the community, then they should represent what the community wants.

[lilrvrgrl]

...as to why I wasn't unbanned before when there was a clear and distinct grand majority of people who thought my ban wasn't deserved? I thought the mods were in existence for the betterment of the community? What if the community disagrees with a mod's decision? You're saying that that decision isn't going to be over-turned to protect the pride of the mod?

Don't you think if the ban was lifted based on the fact that the majority of the community thought it was wrong, would bans ever stick?

I bet the community would use your case and try to lift future bans.

"WE ALL THINK [insert username here]'s BAN SHOULD BE LIFTED"

If the community wants it, then why would the mods protest? If they're HERE for the community, then they should represent what the community wants.

Exactly!

[Fircoal]

...as to why I wasn't unbanned before when there was a clear and distinct grand majority of people who thought my ban wasn't deserved? I thought the mods were in existence for the betterment of the community? What if the community disagrees with a mod's decision? You're saying that that decision isn't going to be over-turned to protect the pride of the mod?

Don't you think if the ban was lifted based on the fact that the majority of the community thought it was wrong, would bans ever stick?

I bet the community would use your case and try to lift future bans.

"WE ALL THINK [insert username here]'s BAN SHOULD BE LIFTED"

Wouldn't that lead to suggest most bans here are not worthwhile?

[rdsrds2120]

...as to why I wasn't unbanned before when there was a clear and distinct grand majority of people who thought my ban wasn't deserved? I thought the mods were in existence for the betterment of the community? What if the community disagrees with a mod's decision? You're saying that that decision isn't going to be over-turned to protect the pride of the mod?

Don't you think if the ban was lifted based on the fact that the majority of the community thought it was wrong, would bans ever stick?

I bet the community would use your case and try to lift future bans.

"WE ALL THINK [insert username here]'s BAN SHOULD BE LIFTED"

If the community wants it, then why would the mods protest? If they're HERE for the community, then they should represent what the community wants.

How do we even know that's what half or more of the community wanted? There was a general feeling with threads and posts saying that you should be unbanned, but let's realize that those are only posted by those who have a strong desire for your ban to have been lifted. Everyone else who might have thought that it was a rightful ban may have actually been held as a silent majority with a disincentive to express their opinion because of a possible "loud minority".

The loudest voices aren't the only ones that should be heard

We would also have to define exactly what "the community" refers to. In your post, it seems to assume the regular posters of the forum, but who's to say that if we introduced your case to all of those who just regularly play games that they would absolutely follow your side or be against it? Can we really be so sure that, if presented to every (or nearly every) member that is active here that it would be in your favor? Or if we were to take an open sample that wasn't anonymous that it would be in your favor? I'm just trying to make sure that both sides of the question are presented here.

-rd

[Army of GOD]

How do we even know that's what half or more of the community wanted?

Perhaps it wasn't the whole community, but there was a distinct majority of people who voted for my ban to be ended.

There was a general feeling with threads and posts saying that you should be unbanned, but let's realize that those are only posted by those who have a strong desire for your ban to have been lifted. Everyone else who might have thought that it was a rightful ban may have actually been held as a silent majority with a disincentive to express their opinion because of a possible "loud minority".

Highly doubtful but I can't necessarily argue it. However; they did have the opportunity to anonymously vote in a poll.

We would also have to define exactly what "the community" refers to. In your post, it seems to assume the regular posters of the forum, but who's to say that if we introduced your case to all of those who just regularly play games that they would absolutely follow your side or be against it? Can we really be so sure that, if presented to every (or nearly every) member that is active here that it would be in your favor?

That doesn't really matter since they don't forum.


Furthermore; it's hard to even say that mods are for the community. You guys are promoted by the admins, WHO ARE PART OF THE COMPANY (I think? Don't they get paid?). When did the community ever get a say in who becomes a mod?

It's pretty surprising when you're chillin' in off-topics and you see someone who doesn't really forum in off-topics often become a mod, threatening to lock down some pretty easy-going threads. You can't keep up the lie that you're here for the betterment of the community. You're here for protecting the business.

[rdsrds2120]

Furthermore; it's hard to even say that mods are for the community. You guys are promoted by the admins, WHO ARE PART OF THE COMPANY (I think? Don't they get paid?). When did the community ever get a say in who becomes a mod?

It's pretty surprising when you're chillin' in off-topics and you see someone who doesn't really forum in off-topics often become a mod, threatening to lock down some pretty easy-going threads. You can't keep up the lie that you're here for the betterment of the community. You're here for protecting the business.

Are you implying that if the mods were assigned based on a community poll that the debate of whether or not they were for the betterment of the community would be resolved?

-rd

[Army of GOD]

Furthermore; it's hard to even say that mods are for the community. You guys are promoted by the admins, WHO ARE PART OF THE COMPANY (I think? Don't they get paid?). When did the community ever get a say in who becomes a mod?

It's pretty surprising when you're chillin' in off-topics and you see someone who doesn't really forum in off-topics often become a mod, threatening to lock down some pretty easy-going threads. You can't keep up the lie that you're here for the betterment of the community. You're here for protecting the business.

Are you implying that if the mods were assigned based on a community poll that the debate of whether or not they were for the betterment of the community would be resolved?

-rd

Wouldn't be resolved but would make a Hell of a lot more sense.

[IcePack]

"Protecting the business...."

Without a business, would there be a community?

[saxitoxin]

we had to kick Tall Paul outta the house last year after he started dealing E outta his room; but it's coo now cause he's cleaned-up and back in school so we're still tight - though he's living as a townee now

another option, if AOG gets outta hand, i could just haze the shit outta him

[john9blue]

i'm not a huge fan of the moderation on this site, but those of you who think that the mods should only represent the wishes of the community need to read up on "tyranny of the majority"

[Army of GOD]

i'm not a huge fan of the moderation on this site, but those of you who think that the mods should only represent the wishes of the community need to read up on "tyranny of the majority"

I have read up on that and I agree with Mill that the tyranny of the majority is dangerous. This doesn't have to do with that though. In fact, this is kind of the opposite. Mill defended the eccentrics and was strongly against censorship, which is exactly what mods do on this site. Oh wellz.

[safariguy5]

Honestly, I think there's probably going to be a side of people who want the person unbanned, one side who wants them to be banned, and the majority don't really care one way or another.

For example, if I were forum banned, I doubt the mapmakers, GDers, Suggs peeps and the clan posters would care too much because I don't post there nearly as much as in Off Topics. I'd say the majority would be like "never heard of him, don't really care".

[john9blue]

i'm not a huge fan of the moderation on this site, but those of you who think that the mods should only represent the wishes of the community need to read up on "tyranny of the majority"

I have read up on that and I agree with Mill that the tyranny of the majority is dangerous. This doesn't have to do with that though. In fact, this is kind of the opposite. Mill defended the eccentrics and was strongly against censorship, which is exactly what mods do on this site. Oh wellz.

but the idea still stands. if conservatives outnumbered liberals on this site, would you want the mods to directly represent the voice of the community?

btw i don't think your ban was deserved. i'm just pointing out that that idea is flawed...