OBAMA

[danvoy9787]

boy, we've definitely strayed from the very original topic now havent we :/

[Juan_Bottom]

Agreed.

Also, anyone have a decent theory about what Obama and Clinton discussed last night, in their (very private )hotel room? Will they be running mates???

Anyone have an opinion about Obama's drug abuses?

Or about his lack of a healthcare plane?

[Snorri1234]

Avatar of winners choice for 1 month.

Nah f*ck it, let's bet in dollars my man. After all, they're going to be worthless and replaced by Ameros soon, right?

Come on Jay, $10 says an election happens as scheduled.

Isn't $10 bucks American equal to like $10,000 Euro? This doesn't seem fair.....

Other way around.

[danvoy9787]

What concerns me, is he seems to have great (however ovious) ideas, but does not seem to explain in ANY detail HOW he intends to actually DO these things. I wish he would just be a little more specific :/

[Snorri1234]

What concerns me, is he seems to have great (however ovious) ideas, but does not seem to explain in ANY detail HOW he intends to actually DO these things. I wish he would just be a little more specific :/

Actually he does explain most things, but he just never seems to do it in any of his speeches.

Ofcourse, his ideas are not very detailed, but you could say that for basically any politician.

[danvoy9787]

What concerns me, is he seems to have great (however ovious) ideas, but does not seem to explain in ANY detail HOW he intends to actually DO these things. I wish he would just be a little more specific :/

Actually he does explain most things, but he just never seems to do it in any of his speeches.

Ofcourse, his ideas are not very detailed, but you could say that for basically any politician.

which explains why i dont like most politicians. But ive been readin up on his site and its Obama will do this, obama will do that. I just wish he'd say how!!!

[Juan_Bottom]

What concerns me, is he seems to have great (however ovious) ideas, but does not seem to explain in ANY detail HOW he intends to actually DO these things. I wish he would just be a little more specific :/

Actually he does explain most things, but he just never seems to do it in any of his speeches.

Ofcourse, his ideas are not very detailed, but you could say that for basically any politician.

which explains why i dont like most politicians. But ive been readin up on his site and its Obama will do this, obama will do that. I just wish he'd say how!!!

I hear ya, he is definitly playing politician. It's not like Bill Richardson, or Ron Paul, who go into too much detail. Wasn't there a famous actor eliminated from the Republican race, for not being able to explain any of his ideas?.....

What's weird is how no-one really cares.
Anyone see that footage of him sneezing on stage, and 10,000 screaming college kids cheer him for it? Seems that people think that the sun shines out of his ass. Let's get some real solutions, no more of this CHANGE(what?)CHANGE!(what?)CHANGE!!!!!!(what???).

[danvoy9787]

What concerns me, is he seems to have great (however ovious) ideas, but does not seem to explain in ANY detail HOW he intends to actually DO these things. I wish he would just be a little more specific :/

Actually he does explain most things, but he just never seems to do it in any of his speeches.

Ofcourse, his ideas are not very detailed, but you could say that for basically any politician.

which explains why i dont like most politicians. But ive been readin up on his site and its Obama will do this, obama will do that. I just wish he'd say how!!!

I hear ya, he is definitly playing politician. It's not like Bill Richardson, or Ron Paul, who go into too much detail. Wasn't there a famous actor eliminated from the Republican race, for not being able to explain any of his ideas?.....

What's weird is how no-one really cares.
Anyone see that footage of him sneezing on stage, and 10,000 screaming college kids cheer him for it? Seems that people think that the sun shines out of his ass. Let's get some real solutions, no more of this CHANGE(what?)CHANGE!(what?)CHANGE!!!!!!(what???).

I know. ppl call Ron Paul Bush 2.0
but at least he talks like he knows what he's talkin about!!
Obama is like im going to CHANGE is and CHANGE that and CHANGE that also.....
CHANGE (how?!) CHANGE! (how?) CHANGE!!!
(how?)

[Napoleon Ier]

Barack Hussein Obama:

GIMME YO' CHANGE MOTHAFUCKAH!

[nesterdude]

Well i got to chime in here a bit....Dixie I almost agree 100% with you on your last big post! Wow me and you could sit down and chat for a while and have a good conversation! My kind of woman i might say!
Point is from my view he will be the down fall of every thing we live for as a free nation! Worst part is he is telling what he is going to do in his campaign promises and people don't realize it

Finally!!!!Thank You I am not alone!!!you put it much better than I did
100%agreed

Oh No Dix, you are not alone, but all too often the conditioned guilt keeps people quiet.
Wow I'm only on page six of this thread and goddam, so much hate...and frankly it's from Obama supporters. Why the issue? Why make race an issue?
I'm just not getting it except for that it is clearly and argument of righteous indignation: you who went to college or studied any rhetoric will understand this, but for others it's an argument that anything one does or says is acceptable because some wrong has been done to them before.
Sigh, your arguments are complete pathos and built on emotion.
Stop, think, reason, understand, conclude...do not feel your way to decisions...you'll be jerking off your whole life.
To be young and dumb again and think that abstract nouns like "change" "believe" "feel" etc. actually mean something but a sensation in their gut.
HA HA HA

[danvoy9787]

Well i got to chime in here a bit....Dixie I almost agree 100% with you on your last big post! Wow me and you could sit down and chat for a while and have a good conversation! My kind of woman i might say!
Point is from my view he will be the down fall of every thing we live for as a free nation! Worst part is he is telling what he is going to do in his campaign promises and people don't realize it

Finally!!!!Thank You I am not alone!!!you put it much better than I did
100%agreed

Oh No Dix, you are not alone, but all too often the conditioned guilt keeps people quiet.
Wow I'm only on page six of this thread and goddam, so much hate...and frankly it's from Obama supporters. Why the issue? Why make race an issue?
I'm just not getting it except for that it is clearly and argument of righteous indignation: you who went to college or studied any rhetoric will understand this, but for others it's an argument that anything one does or says is acceptable because some wrong has been done to them before.
Sigh, your arguments are complete pathos and built on emotion.
Stop, think, reason, understand, conclude...do not feel your way to decisions...you'll be jerking off your whole life.
To be young and dumb again and think that abstract nouns like "change" "believe" "feel" etc. actually mean something but a sensation in their gut.
HA HA HA

I must say i very much enjoyed how you worded that

[nesterdude]

LOL look where I live...

[danvoy9787]

very true.

haha.

[Juan_Bottom]

Hey NESTORDUDE, Do citizens in the District of Columbia have the right to vote? Or how much of it do they have?

[nesterdude]

Hey NESTORDUDE, Do citizens in the District of Columbia have the right to vote? Or how much of it do they have?

Uhm yeah, everyone has the "right' to vote.
DC is part of the state of Maryland. However, DC itself has a reperesentative in the house of reps that's a non voting delegate.
It's all kind of screwed up. But yes, to answer your question, DC citizens can vote like any other citizen.

[DIXIE]

Well i got to chime in here a bit....Dixie I almost agree 100% with you on your last big post! Wow me and you could sit down and chat for a while and have a good conversation! My kind of woman i might say!
Point is from my view he will be the down fall of every thing we live for as a free nation! Worst part is he is telling what he is going to do in his campaign promises and people don't realize it

Finally!!!!Thank You I am not alone!!!you put it much better than I did
100%agreed

Oh No Dix, you are not alone, but all too often the conditioned guilt keeps people quiet.
Wow I'm only on page six of this thread and goddam, so much hate...and frankly it's from Obama supporters. Why the issue? Why make race an issue?
I'm just not getting it except for that it is clearly and argument of righteous indignation: you who went to college or studied any rhetoric will understand this, but for others it's an argument that anything one does or says is acceptable because some wrong has been done to them before.
Sigh, your arguments are complete pathos and built on emotion.
Stop, think, reason, understand, conclude...do not feel your way to decisions...you'll be jerking off your whole life.
To be young and dumb again and think that abstract nouns like "change" "believe" "feel" etc. actually mean something but a sensation in their gut.
HA HA HA

I couldnt agree more.Wise man speaks here people pay attention

thank you for your support,just hope you dont get branded a racist like I was for speaking my mind

[Snorri1234]

Well i got to chime in here a bit....Dixie I almost agree 100% with you on your last big post! Wow me and you could sit down and chat for a while and have a good conversation! My kind of woman i might say!
Point is from my view he will be the down fall of every thing we live for as a free nation! Worst part is he is telling what he is going to do in his campaign promises and people don't realize it

Finally!!!!Thank You I am not alone!!!you put it much better than I did
100%agreed

Oh No Dix, you are not alone, but all too often the conditioned guilt keeps people quiet.
Wow I'm only on page six of this thread and goddam, so much hate...and frankly it's from Obama supporters. Why the issue? Why make race an issue?
I'm just not getting it except for that it is clearly and argument of righteous indignation: you who went to college or studied any rhetoric will understand this, but for others it's an argument that anything one does or says is acceptable because some wrong has been done to them before.
Sigh, your arguments are complete pathos and built on emotion.
Stop, think, reason, understand, conclude...do not feel your way to decisions...you'll be jerking off your whole life.
To be young and dumb again and think that abstract nouns like "change" "believe" "feel" etc. actually mean something but a sensation in their gut.
HA HA HA

Hate?

Hm...I remember a post where someone talked about "darkies" and "half-breeds" and asserted that Obama was a muslim (because his middle-name is Hussein, duh) but didn't let that stop him/herself to claim he was indoctrinated by his christian church to hate America and Freedom.

Yeah that sounds pretty racist and hatefull.

[Frop]

The downfall of a free nation? Which 'free' nation would this be exactly?

[joecoolfrog]

Well i got to chime in here a bit....Dixie I almost agree 100% with you on your last big post! Wow me and you could sit down and chat for a while and have a good conversation! My kind of woman i might say!
Point is from my view he will be the down fall of every thing we live for as a free nation! Worst part is he is telling what he is going to do in his campaign promises and people don't realize it

Finally!!!!Thank You I am not alone!!!you put it much better than I did
100%agreed

Oh No Dix, you are not alone, but all too often the conditioned guilt keeps people quiet.
Wow I'm only on page six of this thread and goddam, so much hate...and frankly it's from Obama supporters. Why the issue? Why make race an issue?
I'm just not getting it except for that it is clearly and argument of righteous indignation: you who went to college or studied any rhetoric will understand this, but for others it's an argument that anything one does or says is acceptable because some wrong has been done to them before.
Sigh, your arguments are complete pathos and built on emotion.
Stop, think, reason, understand, conclude...do not feel your way to decisions...you'll be jerking off your whole life.
To be young and dumb again and think that abstract nouns like "change" "believe" "feel" etc. actually mean something but a sensation in their gut.
HA HA HA

Nester
Thats a fine generalisation but any post that surmises that one must be a Muslim ( and by implication a supporter of terrorism ) simply because of their name is at best ignorant. I dont know how biggoted Dixie is but his/her choice of wording is hardly indicitive of a free thinker, its fair to surmise that if something looks bad and smells bad then it is bad so its foolish to belittle those who have concluded that Dixie is a racist fool.

[nesterdude]

I didn't say I agreed with everything that Dix said, yes the burka comments were a bit far.
But...
If I remember correctly, Dix also called herself a halfbreed, so I think you're missing her point. Her point was to examine who Obama was aligning himself with and who he was dismissing. I think you guys are emotionally reacting to a word, and even a whole comment, that you've been indoctrinated to hear as bad. Any reference to race or anything racial is all too often construed as racism.
Perfect example:
A few years ago I was watching the "news" (lol, if you can call it that). On it they were interviewing a woman, black, suing a school district. Basically the teacher was making the children memorize SAT words (our college entrance exams). One of the words was Niggardly. Of course the white teacher knew that the word had nothing to do with the relatively insulting term: Nigger. It was Slavic in origin and meaning stingy. To be honest I'm not sure what the result of the lawsuit was, but when the interviewer explained to the woman that it wasn't related, her answer was "I don't care it's still racist"
Now this should have been the omen for things to come for me, because it's incredible that no one can say something negative about a race of people without being marred with the word racist, which carries with it it's own conentations and punishments.
I suppose I"m reminded of Voltaire saying "I disapprove of what you say, but I defend to the death your right to say it."
Well, let her say what she wants. If you disagree with her, cool. But there's no need to throw around terms to attack her character.
By immediately calling someone a racist and pigeonholing them like that, well you're being just a bad as what you're insinuating.

Oh and PS: Frop, very good point...sigh

[Suntzu]

i am shocked to see this series of posts.all posters on this thread should pat each other on the back for being politically active.in the united states we can vote for whoever we want.to make personal comments against dixie is outright WRONG.SHE IS EXERCISING THE VERY ESSENCE OF BEING AMERICAN.DIXIE is a very intelligent loving person.she is very active in our local school,she won volunteer of the year.to make personal attacks against her is stupid. if we all were the same ,,, life would be boring.embrace our differences ,,,,,,.my racial makeup is seminole indian,german,irish.dixie likes me just fine.i am a registered republican.i will cast my vote for McCAIN. SUNTZU

[wicked]

Mixed race kids often "choose a side" so as to fit in with their peers. Peer pressure is a huge force when one is in grade school and high school. Kids search for an identity, a group of peers they can belong to. For kids of mixed heritage, they often choose the side they most physically resemble, and even then sometimes they are just outcasts. So, if I'm of mixed heritage, and appear black, which group do you think I will fall into? Maybe not as big as an issue today, but it certainly was back when Obama was a kid. So it's not a matter of denouncing anything, but simply of a kid trying to fit in, like all kids do.

[got tonkaed]

Going back through the thread, ill echo that it is interesting that very few people give reasons for voting for their candidate, but most rather give reasons not to vote for the other guy. To me at least, there seem to be around 4 different types of posters in the thread, and all of them maybe are subject to a few flaws.

1) the i dont want to vote for obama because of a personal issue crowd. Clearly there is enough out there that people can take dislike with obama, but i find it somewhat interesting that these are the reasons not to vote for someone. Though you certainly arent required to pass a test when you vote, voting for or not voting for a particular candidate for some of the reasons listed in this thread...is somewhat disappointing.

2) the how could you say that responders to the first group. Of course its hard for me to be too negative toward this group, because they are by in large people i agree with on a lot of issues. But clearly it might not be doing anyone any favors to bring some of the complaints to the foreground the way we are. Some people are going to vote because of more superficial reasons, character assault on those people after a while gets repetitive.

3) the obama is going to really screw something up crowd. Seemingly a much more informed group as compared to group one. Frequently they will cite the lack of substance of obamas campaign at times thus far, and cite what they believe are the potential disasters of him being elected. This group i have a hard time saying much bad about, because although i disagree with most of what they post, they are making more of a point.

4) obama defenders/mccain is dangerous posters. Sort of like the mix of groups 2-3. While at times its hard to quite get the gist of what everyone is driving at, i think they are much closer to group 3 in that usually there is some point being made. I probably fall into this group as well, so maybe im a bit blind.

It is odd that very few people, even the people who are against obama, are saying very little about what they like about mccain, and i find this somewhat confusing, as given the two, its pretty clear who would likely be able to accomplish more of their potentially hazardous to the country policy program.

[suggs]

You guys have a policy?

[jonesthecurl]

Well i got to chime in here a bit....Dixie I almost agree 100% with you on your last big post! Wow me and you could sit down and chat for a while and have a good conversation! My kind of woman i might say!
Point is from my view he will be the down fall of every thing we live for as a free nation! Worst part is he is telling what he is going to do in his campaign promises and people don't realize it

Finally!!!!Thank You I am not alone!!!you put it much better than I did
100%agreed

Oh No Dix, you are not alone, but all too often the conditioned guilt keeps people quiet.
Wow I'm only on page six of this thread and goddam, so much hate...and frankly it's from Obama supporters. Why the issue? Why make race an issue?
I'm just not getting it except for that it is clearly and argument of righteous indignation: you who went to college or studied any rhetoric will understand this, but for others it's an argument that anything one does or says is acceptable because some wrong has been done to them before.
Sigh, your arguments are complete pathos and built on emotion.
Stop, think, reason, understand, conclude...do not feel your way to decisions...you'll be jerking off your whole life.
To be young and dumb again and think that abstract nouns like "change" "believe" "feel" etc. actually mean something but a sensation in their gut.
HA HA HA

I couldnt agree more.Wise man speaks here people pay attention

thank you for your support,just hope you dont get branded a racist like I was for speaking my mind

So you agree with someone who supports you in agreeing with someone else? That's hardly an earth-shattering revelation, whatever the point of view