Regarding wicked (part 2)

[daydream]

I had a feeling it was coming. It was building up and up and up.

I sorta have to agree with JR here. I liked wicked, but these last few weeks have been nothing more than utter chaos. Wicked should have taken a break and all would have been fine. Well maybe not fine, but soo much less.

i agree...

[RashidJelzin]

Hu? You must be kidding-- or making a Mussolini-ish coupe d'etat to kick off wicked of the administra-...
wait, nevermind.

[owenshooter]

from our forum, in a discussion with a person of note on the site:

I think I am one of the only (if not the only) Bandit that hasnt had a problem with wicked yet. I have talked to her in chat a few times, and she seems like a nice person, i would say we get along. Still, there is no doubt she is not cut out for the moderator job. I believe that if wicked werent a mod, she would be one of the biggest "troublemakers" on the forums... not the type you would usually consider for moderators. The simple solution to this problem is: be more careful who you make mod. and i would suggest having some more, because there are very few if you expect them to check up everything giong on...

anyone want to know daydreams pick for the Super Bowl? he has that posted in our forum too...
kid is a clairvoyant...-0

[New_rules]

Yeah, but didn't you guys breach wicked's conttract by not informing her that she was being fired?

[Bruceswar]

Yeah, but didn't you guys breach wicked's conttract by not informing her that she was being fired?

People get fired all the time while under contract. This is not something new.

[jako]

Yeah, but didn't you guys breach wicked's conttract by not informing her that she was being fired?

she is the one breaching the contract by disclosing sensitive security information and encouraging the very thing she was well known for....just sad really....

looks like all the wicked revolutionaries are out of a job....

[militant]

Yeah, but didn't you guys breach wicked's conttract by not informing her that she was being fired?

People get fired all the time while under contract. This is not something new.

I don't know the ins and outs of the situation with wicked, but irrespective of whether or not it goes on all the time, that does not necessarily make it right.

[RashidJelzin]

from our forum, in a discussion with a person of note on the site:

I think I am one of the only (if not the only) Bandit that hasnt had a problem with wicked yet. I have talked to her in chat a few times, and she seems like a nice person, i would say we get along. Still, there is no doubt she is not cut out for the moderator job. I believe that if wicked werent a mod, she would be one of the biggest "troublemakers" on the forums... not the type you would usually consider for moderators. The simple solution to this problem is: be more careful who you make mod. and i would suggest having some more, because there are very few if you expect them to check up everything giong on...

anyone want to know daydreams pick for the Super Bowl? he has that posted in our forum too...
kid is a clairvoyant...-0

When did you guys have that discussion? Gimme some hits on next weeks jackpot, daydream =)

[Bruceswar]

Yeah, but didn't you guys breach wicked's conttract by not informing her that she was being fired?

People get fired all the time while under contract. This is not something new.

I don't know the ins and outs of the situation with wicked, but irrespective of whether or not it goes on all the time, that does not necessarily make it right.

This is the way of the world. If I was lack I would have done the same thing with the provided info.

[gdeangel]

Well, well, well... more drama. It's like a bad divorce.

There are basically two ways to avoid the bad divorce.

1. Communication

2. Pay off the other side.

When you have nothing to lose, #1 is a good choice. When your business is in jeopardy, I advice #2... for next time.

[hulmey]

Lack, whats top secret techniques do you employ to catch multi's??? <twilldo edit> lets not be encouraging people to try to make multis </edit> This is total BS and you know it, but do the rest know it?

[Bruceswar]

Lack, whats top secret techniques do you employ to catch multi's??? <twilldo edit> see above </edit> This is total BS and you know it, but do the rest know it?

There are many other ways <twilldo edit>. We shall not discuss them here but anybody with advanced computer knowledge will know what I mean. <twilldo edit>

[The Fuzzy Pengui]

1st, hulmey they aren't going to give you those techniques...but believe me, there are MANY MORE!

2nd, i can't believe she would stoop this low...but then again i've been surprised by her a lot.

3rd, cena wanted me to post this for him (i don't agree with all the post but as a clan mate i'm posting it for him)

I couldnt agree with hulmey more lack and twill went about this the wrong way but hey, if wicked had a contract about the hunting tools she shouldnt of broken it. You break the rules and you get punished hence the reason Im on a forum ban

[daydream]

from our forum, in a discussion with a person of note on the site:

I think I am one of the only (if not the only) Bandit that hasnt had a problem with wicked yet. I have talked to her in chat a few times, and she seems like a nice person, i would say we get along. Still, there is no doubt she is not cut out for the moderator job. I believe that if wicked werent a mod, she would be one of the biggest "troublemakers" on the forums... not the type you would usually consider for moderators. The simple solution to this problem is: be more careful who you make mod. and i would suggest having some more, because there are very few if you expect them to check up everything giong on...

anyone want to know daydreams pick for the Super Bowl? he has that posted in our forum too...
kid is a clairvoyant...-0

When did you guys have that discussion? Gimme some hits on next weeks jackpot, daydream =)

weeks, if not months ago, lol

[gdeangel]

I think we need to question why there is even a need for rule #1.

If you think you need rule #1, and you don't have the means to enforce rule #1, then something is wrong.

You can either sink further resources into the pit of enforcement...

of you can legalize it.

And, of course, a necessary part of a legalization program is to change the environment of use.

Here's how:

1. Restrict freemium to 1 game. (Makes it logistically a nightmare to farm points). Maybe give them 4 concurrent games on day of sign up, and after those finish, rachet down to 1.
2. Add a deletion/lock of dormant freemium accounts (Address the obvious issues posed by change 1 above)
3. Limit freemium to 1 post per day (Make multi-trolling less of a profitable business)
4. Limit the number of points that can be won from any single player. (Again, preclude point farming).
5. Do not accept registrations with "junk" email addresses (i.e., the usual suspects - yahoo, gmail, etc. w/out a credit card verification).

Do these things, and you'll fix this site without having to lock 'er down like some iron fist ruler.

And get some people with business experience there to help you figure this stuff out...

[owenshooter]

from our forum, in a discussion with a person of note on the site:

I think I am one of the only (if not the only) Bandit that hasnt had a problem with wicked yet. I have talked to her in chat a few times, and she seems like a nice person, i would say we get along. Still, there is no doubt she is not cut out for the moderator job. I believe that if wicked werent a mod, she would be one of the biggest "troublemakers" on the forums... not the type you would usually consider for moderators. The simple solution to this problem is: be more careful who you make mod. and i would suggest having some more, because there are very few if you expect them to check up everything giong on...

anyone want to know daydreams pick for the Super Bowl? he has that posted in our forum too...
kid is a clairvoyant...-0

When did you guys have that discussion? Gimme some hits on next weeks jackpot, daydream =)

by daydream on Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:21 am... sooo, a long time ago... and i am amazed that her supporters simply can't see what a ton of us have been saying for so long. what more do you need? does she need to put on an astronaut diaper, drive to lack or twill's house, and get busted outside their bedroom window with a 9mm in her clutch?!! when is enough, enough? when will they admit to being wrong about a person and their character? good job lack, way to protect your baby and the rest of your family.-0

[daydream]

I think we need to question why there is even a need for rule #1.

If you think you need rule #1, and you don't have the means to enforce rule #1, then something is wrong.

You can either sink further resources into the pit of enforcement...

of you can legalize it.

And, of course, a necessary part of a legalization program is to change the environment of use.

Here's how:

1. Restrict freemium to 1 game. (Makes it logistically a nightmare to farm points). Maybe give them 4 concurrent games on day of sign up, and after those finish, rachet down to 1.
2. Add a deletion/lock of dormant freemium accounts (Address the obvious issues posed by change 1 above)
3. Limit freemium to 1 post per day (Make multi-trolling less of a profitable business)
4. Limit the number of points that can be won from any single player. (Again, preclude point farming).
5. Do not accept registrations with "junk" email addresses (i.e., the usual suspects - yahoo, gmail, etc. w/out a credit card verification).

Do these things, and you'll fix this site without having to lock 'er down like some iron fist ruler.

And get some people with business experience there to help you figure this stuff out...

that is completely impossible.

[Dangerous-Die]

sadly wicked has turned as she feels betrayed.

it is most likely that she has taken the attitude, sod it - they dont appreciate me and therefore i will show them what it 'would be like' if i dont spend half my life on 'patrol'.

All she has actually done by stirring a bit is bought the chaos that faced us in a month or so that much closer.

Cast creations on multis.

Vast amounts of trolling etc etc.

Yes i am in the Wicked camp.

In my view, she has worked herself to the bone trying to make this site as 'right as possible' in HER vision of it. For that she has clearly trodden on toes and when the axe has fallen the person with the ultimate 'power' has dropped against her.

Now all she has been trying to do is - in a wierd way - prove her value.

Important lesson to learn here - - (that i am actually learning IRL myslef at this time) - if you work for a small business the bosses word is law. Weither the boss is right or wrong - - he/she is the one that can just say - - piss off - your history.

Once you walk that fine line where you are becoming enough of a pain in the ass the said owner - then no matter how good you are - you are probably not worth the stress - boss man - pecieves he is getting.

As my employer said to me the other day - you can win or lose arguments inside the business - - you cannot win an argument if your OUTSIDE the business.

End of!

DD

[Plutoman]

from our forum, in a discussion with a person of note on the site:

I think I am one of the only (if not the only) Bandit that hasnt had a problem with wicked yet. I have talked to her in chat a few times, and she seems like a nice person, i would say we get along. Still, there is no doubt she is not cut out for the moderator job. I believe that if wicked werent a mod, she would be one of the biggest "troublemakers" on the forums... not the type you would usually consider for moderators. The simple solution to this problem is: be more careful who you make mod. and i would suggest having some more, because there are very few if you expect them to check up everything giong on...

anyone want to know daydreams pick for the Super Bowl? he has that posted in our forum too...
kid is a clairvoyant...-0

When did you guys have that discussion? Gimme some hits on next weeks jackpot, daydream =)

weeks, if not months ago, lol

Wow daydream, I find a new side to you every day <_<

[tzor]

Since wicked "stepped down" last Thursday she has actively been encouraging and enabling the creation of the multiple accounts that have trolled the forums and live chat over the last week. Neither reasoning nor warning has shown any sign of convicing her to move on and enjoy Conquer Club.

Wicked has now been caught red-handed spreading secret information about how to bypass some of our security methods regarding multiple accounts. Not only is this a glaring breach of an agreement which she has signed, it is evidence that she is out to damage Conquer Club itself and not just hurt those individuals she has grievances with. If our Rule #1 enforcement techniques become common knowledge, there will be much more cheating and it will seriously hurt everyone's enjoyment of this game.

To protect Conquer Club and your gaming experience I have taken swift action: I banned her account and instructed her to back off immediately or face legal consequences.

What a shame it had to come to this.

Frankly I do not believe you. Your credibility has gone to zero as far as I am concerned. This has, on the other hand cemented this for me. This is offcially my last post. I am not comming back. Goodbye.

And go to hell.

[hulmey]

I think we need to question why there is even a need for rule #1.

If you think you need rule #1, and you don't have the means to enforce rule #1, then something is wrong.

You can either sink further resources into the pit of enforcement...

of you can legalize it.

And, of course, a necessary part of a legalization program is to change the environment of use.

Here's how:

1. Restrict freemium to 1 game. (Makes it logistically a nightmare to farm points). Maybe give them 4 concurrent games on day of sign up, and after those finish, rachet down to 1.
2. Add a deletion/lock of dormant freemium accounts (Address the obvious issues posed by change 1 above)
3. Limit freemium to 1 post per day (Make multi-trolling less of a profitable business)
4. Limit the number of points that can be won from any single player. (Again, preclude point farming).
5. Do not accept registrations with "junk" email addresses (i.e., the usual suspects - yahoo, gmail, etc. w/out a credit card verification).

Do these things, and you'll fix this site without having to lock 'er down like some iron fist ruler.

And get some people with business experience there to help you figure this stuff out...

that is completely impossible.

and the most stupid post ive seen.

To fuzzi ; working for a poker site, i know more about fraud and security than the multi hunters do themselves. Its very easy and only 2 brain cells needed

[owenshooter]

In my view, she has worked herself to the bone trying to make this site as 'right as possible' in HER vision of it. For that she has clearly trodden on toes and when the axe has fallen the person with the ultimate 'power' has dropped against her.

too bad it's not her site or business... and yeah, she did a great job, giving away the keys to the house to try and cripple the site, since her revolution didn't work out so well. you remember that revolution, right? the one she ignited and then threw gas all over with her posts, giving away secrets, and then stood up when it was going badly for them all and declared, "I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!!!" whatever... keep defending her. she has proven herself to be exactly what many of us have said she was. however, most of us just felt she was a bad mod, now she is proving herself to be a person of questionable moral value, which is far worse than just being a bad mod.-0

[Bruceswar]

Frankly I do not believe you. Your credibility has gone to zero as far as I am concerned. This has, on the other hand cemented this for me. This is offcially my last post. I am not comming back. Goodbye.

And go to hell.

Been nice knowing you. See ya in a week or less posting again.

[Dangerous-Die]

In my view, she has worked herself to the bone trying to make this site as 'right as possible' in HER vision of it. For that she has clearly trodden on toes and when the axe has fallen the person with the ultimate 'power' has dropped against her.

too bad it's not her site or business... and yeah, she did a great job, giving away the keys to the house to try and cripple the site, since her revolution didn't work out so well. you remember that revolution, right? the one she ignited and then threw gas all over with her posts, giving away secrets, and then stood up when it was going badly for them all and declared, "I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!!!" whatever... keep defending her. she has proven herself to be exactly what many of us have said she was. however, most of us just felt she was a bad mod, now she is proving herself to be a person of questionable moral value, which is far worse than just being a bad mod.-0

Mate, to be frank - i think you are one of her 'bad mood' victims - i was disgusted to see that she had put a ban on you. I am not saying i support ALL her actions. i am saying i saw her being more active and seemingly caring more for the site than any other CC 'team' member.

However - this revolution you speak of - i hardly saw - so i guess i may have missed some of the fall out. - however - its all because she was spurned.

[hulmey]

In my view, she has worked herself to the bone trying to make this site as 'right as possible' in HER vision of it. For that she has clearly trodden on toes and when the axe has fallen the person with the ultimate 'power' has dropped against her.

too bad it's not her site or business... and yeah, she did a great job, giving away the keys to the house to try and cripple the site, since her revolution didn't work out so well. you remember that revolution, right? the one she ignited and then threw gas all over with her posts, giving away secrets, and then stood up when it was going badly for them all and declared, "I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!!!" whatever... keep defending her. she has proven herself to be exactly what many of us have said she was. however, most of us just felt she was a bad mod, now she is proving herself to be a person of questionable moral value, which is far worse than just being a bad mod.-0

Mate, to be frank - i think you are one of her 'bad mood' victims - i was disgusted to see that she had put a ban on you. I am not saying i support ALL her actions. i am saying i saw her being more active and seemingly caring more for the site than any other CC 'team' member.

However - this revolution you speak of - i hardly saw - so i guess i may have missed some of the fall out. - however - its all because she was spurned.

i would hardly call it a revolution lol.......Just quite a few people stuck up for her when she was dismissed! I think they pitied her coz she was "sick".

lack was always gonna dismiss her from the site, espically since she didnt take her sacking lying down! viva The Untouchables!!!